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Kinda hard not to say it, but looks like karma has finally caught up to this Administration. Kayleigh McEnamy has tested positive for Covid-19.

As one YouTube comment summed this mess up:

Trump Administration — “There is no pandemic.”

Pandemic — “There is no Trump Administration.”

Hopefully a lesson is learned here...

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1 hour ago, CrownSlayer’s Shadow said:

Kinda hard not to say it, but looks like karma has finally caught up to this Administration. Kayleigh McEnamy has tested positive for Covid-19.

As one YouTube comment summed this mess up:

Trump Administration — “There is no pandemic.”

Pandemic — “There is no Trump Administration.”

Hopefully a lesson is learned here...

The entire Administration might have caught it; Trump's already trying to pretend it wasn't as bad as it seemed by leaving the hospital, despite COVID having periods of wellness and extreme sickness.

Also doubt they'd learn any lesson; they only want to hurt as many of us as possible and they only care because it's caught up to them like the Masque of Red Death story.

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9 hours ago, SenEDDtor Missile said:

Also doubt they'd learn any lesson; they only want to hurt as many of us as possible and they only care because it's caught up to them like the Masque of Red Death story.

Oh, I was actually referring to the country going forward learning a lesson from this, not the Trump Administration. They’re just reaping what they sowed at this point, with added risk to others.

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There's something darkly hilarious about some dumb bitch in the Trump Administration trying to throw shade at Biden over failing to control a pandemic while she is quarantined after being infected with Covid by Trump himself.

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11 hours ago, Dr. Mechano said:

Should we be worried that this Hunter Biden thing is going to turn into "Hillary's Emails 2.0" or is this probably gonna blow over and not much the election much?

Given that Hunter Biden doesn't have 30 years of hatred, misinformation and misogyny directed at him like Hilary, Trump's evil and incompetence is evident to everyone and he's working from the position of incumbent instead of "LETS TRY SOMEONE NEW" position, and Biden is basically squeaky clean/has very little to use against him/is an old white guy who won't offend the unconsciously racist amongst the left wing,

AND

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/10/15/1986703/-Dezinformatsiya-Rudy-Giuliani-and-Rupert-Murdoch-are-trying-to-con-America-and-failing

There are just far too many blatantly obvious holes in this to be believable except to the most stubborn and reality-denying of Trumpers...

 

 

Well, it's hopefully not likely to do much, if anything,

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Plus, Covid is still a thing and hasn’t been dealt with that’s interfering in our lives.

I’d like to think most people are far more interested in that than something completely irrelevant and not likely to kill them. Especially with the most powerful office in the world not being safe from it.

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QAnon is basically using repackaged Nazi Propaganda.

https://www.justsecurity.org/72339/qanon-is-a-nazi-cult-rebranded/
 

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A secret cabal is taking over the world. They kidnap children, slaughter, and eat them to gain power from their blood. They control high positions in government, banks, international finance, the news media, and the church. They want to disarm the police. They promote homosexuality and pedophilia. They plan to mongrelize the white race so it will lose its essential power.

Does this conspiracy theory sound familiar? It is. The same narrative has been repackaged by QAnon.

 

 

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Local and congressional races matter.

Aside from the General and the Senate, I'm paying attention to some local races throughout the country.

  1. Portland mayor: Current mayor and police commissioner Ted Wheeler won the primary in May, but didn't hit 50% +1 to avoid the general. Because of the cops' sheer brutality on the protesters, his race is now a tossup. His competitor? An Antifa-indentified Democrat named Sarah Iannarone, who was recently endorsed by Commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty (after rescinding her endorsement of Wheeler last month) and Bernie Sanders.
     
  2. LA County DA: Jackie Lacey, the incumbent, has a history of scandal ever since she took over the job. LA has a massive mass incarceration problem; Lacey has seeked the death penalty and harsher sentences to people of color; earlier this year, her husband pointed a gun at BLM protesters and was charged. Many folks that originally backed her, including mayor Eric Garcetti and Ted Lieu, swapped endorsements to her challenger, former San Fran DA George Gascón, instead. Gascón has the progressive contingency and California governor Gavin Newsom behind him.
     
  3. Texas's 25th District: Current incumbent Roger Williams is being challenged a second time by Julie Oliver, a former healthcare industry employee. Combine her committment to fight for progressive policies like Medicare for All, she rejects all PAC money. So no money from plain PACs, unions, and so on. Here's her story:
     
  4. Nebraska's 2nd District: Aside from being one of only two states that breaks state delegates down by districts, there's a big fight for the Congressional seat. The incumbent, Republican Don Bacon, squeaked out a win by two points against Kara Eastman, a progressive with the backing of Justice Democrats. Unlike last cycle, the DCCC is supporting her general run, too. However, not all Democrats are. Brad Ashford, the last Democratic congressman from there, is still sour from Eastman barely beating him two years ago and Ann Ashford (his wife) getting crushed in May; so he endorsed Don Bacon — who beat him for that very seat — instead. TYT called Ashford out for being the corporate traitor that he is.
     

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“It’s okay when we do it, but when blacks protest injustice, that’s when the line is crossed”

 

Can’t say this really shocked me either tbh given the hypocrisy we’ve been seeing from conservatives/MAGA in this year alone.

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Trumps about to loose and seriously blame it on counting ballots lol. This entire election cycle has got to be the biggest fucking circus ever, but with absolutely no one laughing for the intended reasons

 

That aside, it is telling that democrats had such a close race in not just the presidential race, but the house and senate. Jesus. It may not be a repeat 1:1 of Hilary, but it sure does feel like it hits the same beats in multiple ways. Right down to ignorance on democrats end and them instead of taking a good chunk of the blame and improving because of their faults, are just blaming some other group.
 

Also I’ve heard a lot of people go“The fact it’s so close shows that we as a people are scattered on policies and views” but like, democrats seem to have trouble with this, but maybe don’t force shitty candidates into everyone’s faces? Just an idea. And when there’s a candidate popular with people, (democrats, leftists and even conservatives) and showing up your entire party on damn near every topic, that’s championing policies a majority of people stand by (coughM4Acough), that even Trump says would have been a threat to go up against, don’t throw them under the bus and disingenuously make them look like communists that hate America. Like  no, Bernie wasn’t perfect, but I still can’t believe that Democrats ended up with Biden or Bloomberg as the final 2 choices for the candidate. Even fucking Warren would have been more palatable. 

I mean, just yesterday, Biden told a Hispanic voter that brought up immigration under Obama’s term, not even aggressively or in a manner that suggested he was against Biden, in front of 1000’s of people, that “he should vote for Trump”. How the fuck is this the candidate we ended up with? How is the guy telling me “I’m not black if I don’t vote for him” a real person? How is the rambling rapist according to Dems the best they apparently had to offer? 
 

Like, yeah, cool Trump probably is loosing and seeing that fuck get thrown out of office and meltdown will give me a quick sigh of relief, (until his extremist supporters inevitably start going apeshit and get violent) but like I ain’t kidding when I say quick, cause the guy replacing him isn’t someone I think we “can take our eyes off of” as some are suggesting. The guy who won’t ban fracking, that’s pretty much a republican in a mask, that wants to retain pre-2016 status quo, on top of a slew of other things isn’t a resting point 

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He was leading in most states Dems were running in and the popular candidate to the point democrats had to team up to discredit and throw him under the bus, pushed policies that were proving to be popular with voters, especially millennials and gen z. I don’t think he’d be killed running against trump, especially with democrats whole “vote blue no matter who” shit probably still sticking. I mean, the guy was able to reach out and get conservative leaning voters on his side. I can’t see him being another polarizing Hilary situation, (given most of the controversial shit was bullshit thrown around by the likes of Warren and Buttigieg linking socialism to communism, him being sexist as well as fucking out there shit peddled by democratic officials like him anti-Semitic of all things. This is on top of the “Bernie Bros” narrative being a thing that stuck for months with them despite arguably Biden Bros becoming a thing and probably being even worse. It’s painfully clear democrats felt threatened by Bernie ) especially with there being higher voter turnout in regards to younger voters, and honestly, even if it weren’t Bernie, going with fucking Biden and bloomberg for your final 2 picks is still an incredibly huge fucking joke.
 

If you absolutely had no other realistic options to go with besides this, your party is a joke. Yeah, you got trump out, cool, you’re still a pretty pathetic excuse of a party, that more than likely is not gonna budge on most issues the people are wanting addressed and fixed, scratch that, that NEED to be addressed and fixed.
 

Best I expect with a Biden presidency are some partisan policies that don’t really fix the core problems, and again, maintaining the old status quo until next election, when we more than likely, will go backs to the typical democrat vs republican back and forth. I’d love to be wrong here, but Biden already has made it clear his positions on a lot of these topics, and none of them sound all that great or effective. Especially not helpful is his mask slipping occasionally revealing the republican/conservative underneath. And Kamila certainly as a VP doesn’t fill me with any optimism. And if either the house or senate go red, that just makes it all the more stressful to hope things improve. The only optimistic diamond I’m seeing here in this current Dem Party is AOC, and it’s gonna be awhile before she can run, and I’m worried she might go the way of Bernie if she goes up again the democrats, cause they clearly don’t want massive changes here. It’s fucking stressful and the fact people I’m seeing are starting to suggest they can just relax and not think about politics with Biden and just “go back to normal” has me banging my head on a desk, because complacency is not the right attitude to have especially now.

 

Look even if realistically Bernie wasn’t viable in this current climate numbers wise,(still disagree with that) I’m still gonna say we should have gotten Bernie, cause he definitely was the best option here (well, maybe Yang too).

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1 hour ago, KHCast said:

He was leading in most states Dems were running in and the popular candidate to the point democrats had to team up to discredit and throw him under the bus,

You mean as soon as he actually had pressure applied to him by the candidates where other demographics came into play, his campaign collapsed. The same thing happened to Hillary in 2008 when it was her turn the first time. The same thing happened to McCain in 2000. It certainly seemed like this time Bernie legitimately lost in the primaries; and that he didn't face a "It's her turn this time" sabotaging that he did when Hillary went against him. Bernie had his enormous early lead pushed by his darling demographic. And then once other people started voting for the candidates on offer he was dust in the wind.

 

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I don’t think he’d be killed running against trump, especially with democrats whole “vote blue no matter who” shit probably still sticking.

Shitty candidate that no one likes has now blown Obama's previous record out of the water. Shitty candidate no one likes has been able to overcome Trump riling up his base to the tune of far more people voting Trump than voted Obama in 2008.

 

 

 

Perhaps you could argue that there's a "vote blue no matter who" philosophy at play; but that certainly doesn't seem to pass the muster with the fucking shellacking the Democrats are taking in the House that they openly bragged they were going to stat pad going into last night; and the non-starter their big Senate majority push looks to have become.

 

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I can’t see him being another polarizing Hilary situation,

When the electoral college so heavily favors the sister fuckers living in their trailers in Bumfuck, Alabama and their family tree that makes up the entirety of the Bible belt and flyover country; and when Trump has been able to rile up his base so much that he's blown Obama's vote levels out of the water and caused virtually everything south of Ohio to set voting records even in states Biden was never going to sniff winning so it didn't actually matter:

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I'm extremely skeptical that anything but the most milquetoast white guy they could find for the Democrats would be able to overcome the tide that has brutalized Democrats in the House in the same election. I'm extremely skeptical that someone who isn't roughly in the same political area as Bush would have had people from the GOP openly and strongly defecting towards Biden and telling Trump to fuck himself with huge billboards facing Trump Tower. I'm extremely skeptical that Bernie would have survived the final election cycle unscathed when Trump was throwing any shit he could get to stick at Biden and the closest he got to anything was an obviously-made up story about Hunter and insinuations about Biden's political leanings that were so laughable that Fox News called Trump out on them in interviews.

 

 

 

Again, this is not 2016, where two candidates were running that were so hated by everyone that they both went into election night with negative approval ratings. This is not 2016, where voter enthusiasm for Hillary was so bad that the only people who really cared to show up to vote lived on the coasts and Trump's relentless campaigning allowed him to play the Electoral College to his advantage beautifully. This is not 2016, where Hillary's campaign considered it so in the bag after already ignoring and pissing off people living in the rust belt for half the summer that she started campaigning for people in Congress instead. This is a hard fought race by a Democratic candidate who has actually energized voters across demographics as a voice of stability, never taken his foot off the gas, has told people to stay calm when initial votes started making the election look like a Democrat bloodbath, has gone out of his way to try and say the right things and was faced with an enormously popular incumbent  and corrupt candidate that pollsters had once again written off as dead in the water (and all the dangers that entails with people considering voting unnecessary); and Biden has still managed to fuck him up in the popular vote.

A fractured Democrat party, which you would have gotten with Bernie, wouldn't have been able to do this other than maybe the last part. Whether Biden is liked for his policies or liked for him not being a fucking gremlin shithead isn't relevant if he supports things that are so extremely off-putting to parts of the voting public that they decided Trump isn't actually worse; and Bernie would have absolutely gotten that from people. When Trump or some idiot Senate lackey blurts out on Twitter or in an interview about how much of a dangerous super Commie Joe Biden is, no one but the retards who have Trump's face tattooed on their ass considered it anything but a joke. If someone was to do the same with Bernie, that accusation would have carried enough weight to give people second thoughts.

 

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and even if it weren’t Bernie, going with fucking Biden and bloomberg for your final 2 picks is still an incredibly huge fucking joke 

Biden has most likely won this election. With the way mail-ins are going, he may even do so handily by taking a couple extras that Trump is pretending are already his.

 

Bernie Sanders most likely would not have. I don't see Bernie taking Nevada (assuming that Biden takes it like he is suspected to do). I don't see Bernie taking Wisconsin. Maybe he takes Michigan simply because the margins are so much bigger there, but it's questionable there too since Trump was able to squeak it last time by preying on the fears of voters there that Bernie would have a bigger target painted against him over. I don't see Bernie peeling a vote off Nebraska. Bernie running runs the risk of being less popular across the entire party as a candidate. Bernie running runs the risk of energizing people voting against you in tight races. I don't think you make those risks up with marginally more millennials voting for Bernie than probably already voted for Biden.

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15 minutes ago, Tornado said:

Biden has most likely won this election. With the way mail-ins are going, he may even do so handily by taking a couple extras that Trump is pretending are already his.

Bernie Sanders most likely would not have. I don't see Bernie taking Nevada (assuming that Biden takes it like he is suspected to do). I don't see Bernie taking Wisconsin. Maybe he takes Michigan simply because the margins are so much bigger there, but I'm questionable there too since Trump was able to squeak it last time by preying on the fears of voters there that Bernie would have a bigger target painted against him over. I don't see Bernie peeling a vote off Nebraska.

Again, even if it wasn’t Bernie, there’s gotta be people the DNC could have opted to go with to use to rally everyone together that weren’t the “less racist rapist that half the time rambles about nonsense and tells people asking questions to vote for trump, that won’t condemn fracking” that could win most of these states. I mean fuck, I hate Buttigieg, but I feel like there’d be a lot less hesitance from voters to vote for him over Biden. Dudes basically an Obama proxy in presentation, and a huge ass chunk of the democratic base seems to be yearning for that obama era status quo. Idk if he’d be more of a DNC lapdog tho, but then again, that can be said about most of the candidates that were running outside Bloomberg. Like, again, I don’t like Buttigieg, and he’s got some godawful policies and is as pro capitalism as it gets, but Biden and Bloomberg to me were the absolute worst options to pick out of that bunch so anything would have been more palatable to use against Trump

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How long according to liberals until it’s okay to shit talk Biden? Cause apparently it’s still not acceptable. (not that it’s stopped me, but I am curious to know when everyone jumps on that train)

cause like

 

I mean come on, he isn’t even president yet and saying shit like this. 

 

Oh also Trumps currently throwing another tantrum 

 

 

Something tells me he isn’t going to hand over the presidency peacefully, at least of his own desire. 
 

Expect his cult of Nazi’s, KKK and Proud Boys to make news headlines soon. Will be interesting to see how police end up handling whatever they end up doing and comparing it to their treatment to progressive groups like BLM or groups like Antifa

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12 hours ago, KHCast said:

Expect his cult of Nazi’s, KKK and Proud Boys to make news headlines soon. Will be interesting to see how police end up handling whatever they end up doing and comparing it to their treatment to progressive groups like BLM or groups like Antifa

The police are going to go easy on them. When they were outside chanting "STOP THE VOTE" outside of the polling stations there was no police throwing tear gas at them. They obviously do not play fair when it comes to this.

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