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FCC's policies being reversed by house. Internet privacy be gone!

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So the answer is "no, I am not capable of being intellectually honest in political threads", because even now you're trying to pretend there was some way that this thread as you made it could be considered true.

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Maybe the government is not the one selling it, fine I'll be mature and admit to that verses insults(something you seem to LOOOVE doing), maybe I was wrong on that part, but let's not pretend that these people voting it in did it on our best interest or get no selfish benefits from it, or that it's crazy to think panic and fear couldn't easily lead people to that assumption when the house, again was the one making the bill to begin with. Has this existed in some form before, yes, is this still shit, yes.

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5 minutes ago, KHCast said:

fine I'll be mature and admit to that verses insults(something you seem to LOOOVE doing)

I have no problem calling to question the integrity of people who resort so quickly to lying to cover up their mistakes, like you're still doing in this thread. As far as I'm concerned asking if you're being misleading on purpose or just out of ignorance of what you're talking about is a perfectly legitimate question to ask when your go to response when questioned is to strawman.

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2 minutes ago, Tornado said:

I have no problem insulting the integrity of people who resort so quickly to lying to cover up their mistakes, like you're still doing in this thread. As far as I'm concerned asking if you're being misleading on purpose or just out of ignorance of what you're talking about is a perfectly legitimate question to ask when you resort so quickly to strawmans when questioned.

I'm not covering my mistakes so much as you wearing pride on your sleeve and not taking someone admitting fault as good enough. But k. When the fuck did I resort to lying btw? If you're gonna call me one, I'd like to see where I did that purposely, instead of perhaps maybe going with what everyone and their mother was saying today including official big time news areas? 

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If you use cookies on any big wig site like Facebook, Twitter, etc. The odds are good that your private browsing info has already been sold to some private benefactor for marketing research.  Is it wrong?  Yes.  Is it invasive?  Yes.  Is it new?  Not really.

All this essentially is is stereotypical Republican "corporations are above basic human decency" politics that Trump (a 'business man himself') has been pushing since the moment he took office.  It is something that needs to stop.  It is something that ISP's should never been allowed to do.  But this isn't Trump shifting through your secret porn folder and emailing it to your grandmother.

Do write to your congressman if you want them to reconsider.  It is a wrongful practice but not something that's changed how we browse the internet.

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The government sucks enough, you don't need to make things up

Seriously, in this particular case if you had actually researched what was going on it would've been better because what actually happened is pretty bad. There were going to be regulations that possibly could've helped with these issues, but it got stopped before it even had a chance to come into effect. There, that's bad enough, you don't have to exaggerate it whatsoever.

And like...c'mon, dude. Is "admit Republicans did this" the hill you want to die on when nobody was denying they're the ones who voted for this? I'm probably further left than most on this (supposedly) relatively leftist board, but. C'mon.

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2 minutes ago, Celestia said:

The government sucks enough, you don't need to make things up

Seriously, in this particular case if you had actually researched what was going on it would've been better because what actually happened is pretty bad. There were going to be regulations that possibly could've helped with these issues, but it got stopped before it even had a chance to come into effect. There, that's bad enough, you don't have to exaggerate it whatsoever.

And like...c'mon, dude. Is "admit Republicans did this" the hill you want to die on when nobody was denying they're the ones who voted for this? I'm probably further left than most on this (supposedly) relatively leftist board, but. C'mon.

Edited my topic. And I wasn't intentionally lying? Misinformed perhaps, but that's not the same as not doing research and willfully making something up

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18 minutes ago, KHCast said:

I'm not covering my mistakes so much as you wearing pride on your sleeve and not taking someone admitting fault as good enough.

Except you're not admitting fault. You gave no indication that you had any understanding of what the law actually did before you were called on it, you're framing the fact that you were called on it as being someone else's fault when your initial response was to strawman them repeatedly for questioning you, and you're still trying to act as if parts of what you originlly wrote in the OP could be considered correct if you look at it in a certain way (like how this bill "opens a floodgate of shit that could possibly happen " to things already happening and legal since the mid-1990s, or as if the Republicans being the ones who did it is a gotcha point).

 

 

Republicans removed regulations before they were set to go in effect that probably should have been left alone. That kind of sucks and it was obviously partisan in nature, but that doesn't mean there's any more to read from it.

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The law reverses FCC regulations and allows more freedom for companies like AT&T and T-mobile to have a field day with our information. That's the basic and I see that now. Hence the topic title change. No need to act like I still haven't even attempted to read past titles. 

 

And knowing this current house and the current Republican Party, sorry, but I don't expect it to be just like every other time. If you wanna act like it's no different than before, and there won't be much harm overall, you can, but I see no reason to conform to that idea given who's handling these policies and their intentions. There's harm that can for sure happen when the protections intended to go in effect, aren't now. And while nothing is confirmed to happen, that doesn't mean bad things can't. And with the reliance on technology compared to the 90's and how much of a power house it is now, and how so far this house and senate has voted for and against questionsable things, I can definitely see things getting shitty further down the line.

 

It's also still good, regardless of if it's nothing new or not, or whether it's been made worse now, to keep things like opera, so to keep companies from taking and selling your information whatever it may be. 

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I will comment on one more thing:

2 hours ago, KHCast said:

edit: also funny how you linked to a Washington post article when you were mocking someone the other day for doing the same.

Volphied was dumping entire paragraphs from a Washington Post editorial into a thread to claim that he was right in a discussion, with the ultimate reasoning he seemed to justify it with being essentially because someone who writes for a newspaper agreed with him about it.

I posted a link to a Washington Post news article reporting on a law that had just been passed, mostly because I remembered that it linked within itself a previous news article the Washington Post also wrote for when the regulations were created that I also linked.

 

 

The fact that the Washington Post was where Volphied dug it up was basically immaterial compared to the undeserved significance Volphied was acting like it had in the JonTron thread against other people's opinions; and with a couple exceptions (Breitbart and Huffington Post being the main ones) I don't dismiss political news out of hand because of the source.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Dizcrybe said:

Couldn't you buck this with Adblock anyway?

Not quite. Adblock would stop targeted ads from appearing to you, but your ISP would still log data to be sold later. A VPN is what you want to prevent that, but it's not a fool proof measure, and exactly what gets through depends on which VPN you use.

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I imagine it will impact none of those businesses, since again, they're simply repealing a bill that would let them do what they've been doing for years.  It's possible that some companies might see this as validation and try to take advantage, but all that would be effectively doing is entitling them to a "I Sell Your Personal Information to Marketers" jacket from the "I Sell Your Personal Information to Marketers (and Everyone is Welcome)" club.

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9 minutes ago, KHCast said:

I also gotta wonder how this might affect the game industry 

Not at all. Data brokerage has been a thing for a while now, any impact it would have had would already be readily apparent. Likewise, I doubt Apple would pull Opera or anything like that. This bill is in the interests of ISPs, specifically.

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3 minutes ago, Tara said:

I imagine it will impact none of those businesses, since again, they're simply repealing a bill that would let them do what they've been doing for years.  It's possible that some companies might see this as validation and try to take advantage, but all that would be effectively doing is entitling them to a "I Sell Your Personal Information to Marketers" jacket from the "I Sell Your Personal Information to Marketers (and Everyone is Welcome)" club.

Knowing the AAA industry there's like a high possibility of them trying something like that and failing spectacularly. Looking at the DRM trigger happy guys specifically (*coughMicrosoft!cough*) 

2 minutes ago, CleverSonicUsername said:

Not at all. Data brokerage has been a thing for a while now, any impact it would have had would already be readily apparent. Likewise, I doubt Apple would pull Opera or anything like that. This bill is in the interests of ISPs, specifically.

Hmmm okay. So really phone service providers are the only one that specifically gain anything from this?(and whatever shadey deals were made between them and those voting for it)

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1 minute ago, CleverSonicUsername said:

Not at all. Data brokerage has been a thing for a while now, any impact it would have had would already be readily apparent. Likewise, I doubt Apple would pull Opera or anything like that. This bill is in the interests of ISPs, specifically.

On that note, passing a bill that says it's acceptable is not a bill saying it's mandatory to sell personal data.  If you're using a service that doesn't provide the personal information they need, then they don't really care.  It's not like piracy where you're actively stealing money by not buying something while still reaping the benefits.  So I don't think any company cares if you use Opera or something private like that.

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4 minutes ago, KHCast said:

Knowing the AAA industry there's like a high possibility of them trying something like that and failing spectacularly. Looking at the DRM trigger happy guys specifically (*coughMicrosoft!cough*) 

Hmmm okay. So really phone service providers are the only one that specifically gain anything from this?(and whatever shadey deals were made between them and those voting for it)

Them and marketers, basically. To use your example of a game developer, the only way they'd benefit from this is using information purchase to better market their games to people. But blocking a targeted ad is fairly easy, so that's not really the concern people should be having.

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Adblocks, probably not.  Though I'm pretty sure that most browsers for game consoles run on Opera.  At the very least, the 3DS and Wii U (probably the Switch too if it has a browser) are just a version of Opera.

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