Sonic Forces E3 Trailer "The Next Generations" *Huge Spoilers in OP

[Chris Knopps]

3 minutes ago, SSF1991 said:

Lost World is up for debate. It depends on who you talk to.

I'd only concede about Rise of Lyric.

And even then, that's one game. The past "dark times" involved many Sonic games over a span of roughly 5-6 years (depending on your opinions on Unleashed). Not just 1-2 of them.

Do you have to pop in to bring up Adventure-Unleashed vitriol for the millionth time?

Seriously, it's bringing up drama that isn't necessary.

5 minutes ago, DiamondX said:

Guys, I get that you may not like the game but please don't attack the ones who like it and think it's good.

I don't think anybody is being attacked really. Folks are just sharing their thoughts one way or the other. Far as I can tell it's just SSF at the moment complaining about folks negativity towards the title and going on about how it's bugging him.

 

3 minutes ago, MudHunter said:

Drop dash confirmed.

I wonder if this confirms rival races in the game? Or is it just a small battle space?

[Celestia]

7 minutes ago, DiamondX said:

Guys, I get that you may not like the game but please don't attack the ones who like it and think it's good.

Who's "attacking" anyone just for liking how the game looks so far? All I see is people talking about this supposedly happening in between posts about Shadow.

And mind you I'm really looking forward to this game myself, and even if I wasn't I wouldn't stand for people genuinely being insulted over a video game so like...maybe smash that report button on any posts you find over the top instead of vague posts like this?

[Chris Knopps]

1 minute ago, Celestia said:

Who's "attacking" anyone just for liking how the game looks so far? All I see is people talking about this supposedly happening in between posts about Shadow.

It's like I said, I think it's the discussion revolving SSF making it seem that way.

[Whatever the WhoCares]

13 minutes ago, Nepenthe said:

You ceded on one and couldn't think of a rebuttal for another.

This:

is not a "healthy counter," especially with the jab at me at the end.

This doesn't actually refute anything I've said, nor has this necessarily been proven in this argument.

Please point to to me

A.) a game in which he wanted the world specifically shaped in Dr. Eggman's vision of his own volition,

and B.) Where in this trailer we've gotten word that he's even potentially working for Eggman and not Infinite in the first place.

A) There are none, just as we never saw Tails give Sonic a ribbing before Lost World. 

B.) The GoNintendo page strongly suggests he's working for Eggman, unless he just for no reason happens to be standing among the ones who are CONFIRMED to be working for Eggman. 

So let's do a recap; here are just some of the ways Shadow could be antagonistic;

1. He's brainwashed.

2. He feels he has no choice. 

3. He likes Eggman's vision for humanity under his rule. 

4. He is against everyone but himself. He wants the world to be changed, but he has his own vision. 

5. He's a double-agent for the protagonists (which would also be part of point 4).

6. Sonic's plan to save the world would compromise something he values. 

7. Eggman's plan will result in Shadow getting something he values. And no, what that thing is does not have to be explained in previous games. 

And we can infer that Shadow will not just be villainous without explanation because in Park Avenue, Sonic mentions that he'll find Shadow. This, combined with the conversational context about there not being enough characters to fight the Death Eggs, implies that he intends to recruit Shadow and is currently unaware that he's gone rogue. Sonic thinks that Shadow is still privy to fighting alongside him. 

[simtek34]

 

It seems that they got rid of the mash "X" Spin Dash, Now it is the classic crouch and jump, and we have Drop Dash Controls now too! 

[NegaMix]

See, while there's a good chance of a throwaway line or two explaining why each villain has returned, I can't help but think it'll just boil down to:

'Member Chaos? We do.

'Member Shadow? We do.

'Member Metal Sonic? We do.

I'd love to be proven wrong, but until cutscenes start appearing it can go either way.

[HedgehogBR]

[DiamondX]

4 minutes ago, Celestia said:

Who's "attacking" anyone just for liking how the game looks so far? All I see is people talking about this supposedly happening in between posts about Shadow.

And mind you I'm really looking forward to this game myself, and even if I wasn't I wouldn't stand for people genuinely being insulted over a video game so like...maybe smash that report button on any posts you find over the top instead of vague posts like this?

Sorry then, I thought people were ''attacking'' others because they liked the game.

 

It's kinda hard to understand anything with so many posts.

[Meta77]

42 minutes ago, Kuzu the Boloedge said:

I feel so sorry for anyone genuinely  excited for this,  because they're gonna get scrutinized so hard lol.

 

Such a welcoming community.

I got thick skin. I love it so far wanna scrutinize me bring it on.

[Tails spin]

F*** it, I'm done figuring out what this game is. I'm just going along for the ride. I liked what I saw.

[CrownSlayers Shadow]

I will say this at the very least: despite being disappointed in what I'm seeing, I am willing to be open minded see if they actually manage to prove me wrong and deliver something coherent and sensible in the storytelling.

It's not the first time I've been wrong about something (*cough*Sonic4NotHappening*cough). I mean, if I can like Big the Cat in Archie comics as a central character simply because of good writing, I find it too hard to be close-minded to...whatever story they're potentially going to tell, even if I initially don't like the first impression. Yes, I know the track record, but it has had it's ups and downs, but I'm gonna go along with the ride to see how it ends.

Like for real, I had better get some damn decent writing in this clusterfuck...not even Pontaff has been this ridiculous, and that's saying something.

[Chris Knopps]

4 minutes ago, HedgehogBR said:

I dunno...

I think TC/Matt is kind of in a position similar to Mr. Webber, dude HAS to be positive about the game in a way to keep up the cred, get those SEGA nods and stuff.

Though if this is legit, hey, I'm thrilled for the guy. Game needs all it can get.

[Sonicfan287]

6 minutes ago, Captain Metallix said:

See, while there's a good chance of a throwaway line or two explaining why each villain has returned, I can't help but think the answer will just boil down to:

'Member Chaos?

'Member Shadow?

'Member Metal Sonic?

I'd love to be proven wrong, but until cutscenes start appearing it can go either way.

That's pretty much what I feel like it is and while I'm always for Metal Sonic coming back, I'm hoping there's at least some reason why Shadow is evil besides "for old times sake" 

[Graystripe2000]

A bit more on TailsChannel's impressions. 

https://www.twitter.com/TailsChannel/status/874706632524955648

[StaticMania]

Despite being the 1st boss, doesn't it seem like the Egg Dragoon should be harder?

It looks like the moment you jump into those balls they bounce into the Eggman...

The better concept would be to bounce them back as they're being shot at you...

[ShadowSJG]

Any clips on the Shadow boss fight?

[Nepenthe]

35 minutes ago, SSF1991 said:

Why is this always the argument that people have when someone dares to criticize how someone gives an opinion and not opinions themselves? Like, I even say "it's okay if you don't like it". But people seem to constantly ignore things, no matter how blunt it is.

Because your argument was about the cyclical nature of the complaints, not about how they were being expressed:

1 hour ago, SSF1991 said:

To you. You even responded to someone that didn't feel that way.

Again, to you. And why should this game "need to stop" when this is trying to appeal to potentially millions of people, including many Sonic fans that aren't even in this online community?

I get that you guys don't like the game, that's fine. But what are you even expecting at this point? You guys have been miserable about this game since the beginning. About everything. Before we even knew its name. It's clear you don't like it and that the news machine hasn't changed that. This has just become a repetitive cycle now.

52 minutes ago, SSF1991 said:

Seriously.

The sad thing is that it's not even "differing opinions' anymore. It's just beating a dead horse, at this point.

 

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I already explained that it's not that an opinion was shared, it's that it has been a repetitive cycle of apparent misery in regards to this game every time something new comes out. It just feels pointless to beat a dead horse and repeat yourself.

So, when new information drops on a game and I have a negative reaction to it, I shouldn't post then if I've had a negative reaction before. Got it.

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Um, no. Judging by how the Forces megathread had gone, no one had given this game a chance for months now. Maybe more so pre-July 2016, but even then, E3 didn't change what seemed to be opinions on a game that had already been reached.

If that has been the case, I sure haven't seen any of that. It's pretty hard to see that when every Forces thread turns into a giant angry mob and 10 people gang up on anyone that disagrees even the slightest on that anger.

The Forces megathread's biggest issue by far was that a lot of it was simply off-topic and cluttered, dealing less with Forces and moreso with people's general feelings about the franchise as a whole. Also, you do a disservice to handwave any of the interesting speculation, idea exchanging, the informative videos by Sonikko, the interest in things like Modern Sonic's gameplay and the music that had been posted in the thread, and most people's general conclusions that the game will probably ultimately amount to "ok," to imply there was little of value or that no one gave the game a chance whatsoever. Hell, you do me a disservice; I know very well that I posted several times saying that E3 could turn things around, and I know I made reaction posts detailing the things I've liked about all facets of the game that have been displayed up until this point. So don't try to spin this narrative that the Forces thread was literally nothing but negativity just because you barely visited it due to your own preconceived notions.

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I literally just replied to someone a moment ago who already concluded it's shit and another who declared "it's the dark times of 3D Sonic" again. It's more than just "it'll be mediocre".

So two people is enough of a sample size for you to conclude what the overall opinion of everyone is, even though you admitted you haven't seen any positivity in the Forces megathread, not even the conversation about the fucking vocal themes which almost everyone had a positive reaction towards. This goes back to my point that you come across as having an issue against negative reactions versus an equitable discussion environment, and on that note: 

This next bit is not just towards you, but to everybody:

We play this silly little schoolyard game every single time a new game drops and doesn't get the most glowing impressions. People who like the game get in their feelings and act like the world is against them just because their opinion may be in the minority. Negative opinions are inherently taken as personal attacks or calls for more optimistic people to censor themselves when that may not even be the case at all. For years, people have been allowed to get away with characterizing either specific members or the forum as a whole as being unreasonably intolerant to positive opinions of contentious new releases, sometimes ironically engaging in personal attacks themselves.

This shit stops today.

I personally will be monitoring the thread for the foreseeable future and actively handing out strikes or suspensions to any people who engage in this kind of victimization and shit-stirring. I will also make sure to hand out strikes or suspensions to any people who are negative about the game if they also break the rules. We did that yesterday in one of the Forces threads and we'll happily do it again. This is your first and only warning.

If you want a more positive environment, you are free to:

A.) Put members on your ignore list who you find intolerable.

B.) Make a thread asking earnestly the things people like about the game.

C.) Report actual rule breaking behavior.

D.) Engage in conversation with members who have posted positive opinions and create those discussion tangents within the bigger topics. You are not obligated to respond to anyone and everyone.

These behaviors would do wonders in better fostering an environment of just basic tolerance. You know what doesn't; constantly complaining that people are not happy, or saying people are "beating a dead horse" for reacting genuinely to new news, or insisting that people with positive opinions are "not being allowed to like the game."

Get ahold of yourselves.

[Jango]

This game is a mess. I'm surprise Sonic Team didn't brough Nack to play an antagonist too. Nah, better bring back Zavok and make Shadow evil again, everyone asked for it right??!!

Better off call this Sonic Blender, as it's clear that Sonic Team basically took a dozen of ideas and threw them in a blender. NOW DRINK.

[Jovahexeon Jax Joranvexeon]

6 minutes ago, Chris Knopps said:

I dunno...

I think TC/Matt is kind of in a position similar to Mr. Webber, dude HAS to be positive about the game in a way to keep up the cred, get those SEGA nods and stuff.

Though if this is legit, hey, I'm thrilled for the guy. Game needs all it can get.

Are we really delving into conspiracy territory with positivity surrounding this game now? Jesus,  man. 

Like seriously,  most people were avoiding such scrutinization. We were having such a good run. 

[MechTech]

I personally think we're getting the best of both worlds here.

We have mania for those who preffer the classic pixel side scrollers and forces for those who preffer a more 3D based game.

me? I like both so R.I.P wallet haha.

On that note, after seeing the new trailer and E3 gameplay I can say with certainty that I'm even more hyped for these games.

[Multikaris]

52 minutes ago, Drunk Michael Myers said:

Outside of the Modern Sonic gameplay, everything looks so bad. Good Lord. We are back in the dark times of with 3D Sonic games again. 

We certainly are back in the "dark times" in terms of general tone. 

[Chris Knopps]

Just now, Miru the Living Planet said:

We certainly are back in the "dark times" in terms of general tone. 

With the music combined with the locations and dialogue I'd say we're as far from it as we have been since Colors.

Explosions and a city suffering damage is literally nothing when you compare the rest of what Forces is doing so this is basically Lost World just with more bombs/fire and boost.

[Shadowlax]

5 minutes ago, MechTech said:

I personally think we're getting the best of both worlds here.

We have mania for those who preffer the classic pixel side scrollers and forces for those who preffer a more 3D based game.

me? I like both so R.I.P wallet haha.

On that note, after seeing the new trailer and E3 gameplay I can say with certainty that I'm even more hyped for these games.

I like more things in games that just mechanics, and even then a lot of forces don't look great. 

 

We are getting the best of single world, the other is just largely dissapointing

[Dee Dude]

5 minutes ago, MechTech said:

I personally think we're getting the best of both worlds here.

We have mania for those who preffer the classic pixel side scrollers and forces for those who preffer a more 3D based game.

Except Forces also gives us 2D....in all 3 gameplay styles...

[Multikaris]

1 minute ago, Chris Knopps said:

With the music combined with the locations and dialogue I'd say we're as far from it as we have been since Colors.

Explosions and a city suffering damage is literally nothing when you compare the rest of what Forces is doing so this is basically Lost World just with more bombs/fire and boost.

You may also see

* Side characters appearing past specific points, and having dialogue that seems much more active and relevant.

* Post-Genesis bosses being brought back. More menacing-looking new bosses as well.

* Lyrics, lyrics, lyrics! 

* A really cool looking new villain. 

 

... Thinking about it, it seems about 25% likely to just be putting lipstick on a pig than anything honest.