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[Red Hot Jack]

Isn't Amy the strongest one in this issue? Tangle too, but Amy is also a lot tougher and energetic than in issue 22 IMO, from what I remember, I only read it once on Christmas' Eve Night. Seems like the role with Cream got swapped here. Tangle is sorta what Amy used to be, only a lot more awkward, embarassed, goofy and dumb.

Also, Sonic

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I assume he just got tired now, or the virus is getting tougher and developed a resistance. Not sure.

The Zeti sure could have done more in this issue, they did more in the 3 parter than in the finale.

 

[Dr. Detective]

I've read Issue 24 a day later than usual because Wednesday had to be Christmas but I'm glad I got to. 

I love how that this was yet another badass way for a character to go out. I enjoyed Tangle and Whisper but I won't lie, this moment stands above as the most impressive and awesome thing she's done yet. Plus, it's great to have that payoff from the Mini-series exemplified here. Of course, Whisper's reaction to losing another friend when she tried so hard not to make any friends for fear of going through the same thing again is a powerful highlight

Espio is going through the stages of grief. He acknowledges some of the blame on his part but, of course, thrusts some of it onto Sonic as well. Sonic's definitely not blameless but obviously the situation is hitting him and everyone hard enough that it's starting to become harder to hold back their emotions. Sonic's been wallowing in a lot of misery and it's good that he's been given a reminder of what good he's done and can continue to do to help him out of that pit. It's sold a lot better by someone who's already infected too. The instant you see her wipe those tears from her face but keep the smile on as she keeps fighting just brought the climactic music in full-force. This is all begging to be animated in some way, shape, or form.

Then there's Tails and Amy, whom I only feel sorry for. Amy's gonna turn gray and old by the time this is done and seeing Tails come up to Sonic with those desperate, hopeful eyes only to be shot down and then have to struggle to latch onto whatever miniscule amount of hope he has left was heartbreaking. I found it amusing what Cream's reaction was. Just a dead-eyed hello.

Then there's the ending where I can't help but assume things are going to get even more hectic. Despite what Ian said in that tweet, I don't expect the rise of the heroes to be soaked in consistent success. Thing will probably get worse AS they get better. Especially if one of the solicited covers is anything to go by. 

Loved it. Still love it. Need more now. Thanks.

[DabigRG]

It's also worth noting that this issue took place in Tangle's hometown.

9 minutes ago, Jack in Space said:

Isn't Amy the strongest one in this issue?

Not really, from what I saw.

9 minutes ago, Jack in Space said:

Tangle too, but Amy is also a lot tougher and energetic than in issue 22 IMO, from what I remember, I only read it once on Christmas' Eve Night. Seems like the role with Cream got swapped here.

Amy's role in Issue 22 had more to do with starting to be run ragged with responsibility and asking Cream, a little girl with less confidence and maybe even energy than she does, how she seems to be handling things in comparison.

9 minutes ago, Jack in Space said:

Tangle is sorta what Amy used to be, only a lot more awkward, embarassing, goofy and dumb.

Pretty much.

9 minutes ago, Jack in Space said:

Also, Sonic

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I assume he just got tired now, or the virus is getting tougher and developed a resistance. Not sure.

 

Huh. That's good point.

9 minutes ago, Jack in Space said:

 

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The Zeti sure could have done more in this issue, they did more in the 3 parter than in the finale.

 

There wasn't really room for them here.

Although, that does sorta touch on a concern that I've had about their role.

10 minutes ago, Dr. Christmas Mike said:

 

Then there's the ending where I can't help but assume things are going to get even more hectic. Despite what Ian said in that tweet, I don't expect the rise of the heroes to be soaked in consistent success. Thing will probably get worse AS they get better. Especially if one of the solicited covers is anything to go by. 

Loved it. Still love it. Need more now. Thanks.

I'd kinda hope so, to be honest.

[DabigRG]

On 12/25/2019 at 1:39 AM, Sonic Fan J said:

A shame I can't get it for Kindle until Thursday. Though hopefully when I do get my hands on it this embracing of utter despair doesn't just put me off the book. It's been a little too long since we've had any real levity or whimsey which for me typically gives the darker stuff more weight. When everything is dark and heavy all the time it starts to lose its impact and just becomes dull and monotonous.

On 12/25/2019 at 11:36 AM, Jack in Space said:

 No it wasn't. It was a good arc, I even enjoyed the Team Dark issues. I'm just tired and bored now, it's gotten old, I don't think it was rushed here either, it is just repetitive. The plot didn't advance either...

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The Deadly Six have just barely arrived, not much happens. It's like an aftermath story, barely filler, okay Tangle got infected, and she was awesome IMO, still very much Tangle, were there consequences? Yes, everyone is hopeless.

But in my opinion it's way too long and dark, it's actually pretty shallow and more of the same. Was this issue even needed? I actually agree with shorter arcs now, 12 issues arcs like season 1 are fine. Obviously it couldn't have been resolved in one issue... how about turning it into a pseudo-different story as follow up to the Metal Virus? That would have had both consequences and a new story instead of it dragging. Also break up a bit the boring and sad mood.

Admittedly, I am concerned for how this is followed up.

On 12/25/2019 at 11:17 AM, SBR2 said:

 

Because it's Wednesday. I mean I know it's Christmas but it's still Wednesday. 

Fair point.

 

On 12/25/2019 at 2:30 PM, Razule said:

 

There isn't a "no sad things" mandate, nothing in this issue touches the ones we know about.

This issue does technically focus it on the original characters.

10 hours ago, Sonic Fan J said:

Boy oh boy, finally read Issue 24 and let me first say that ABT's art really does elevate this series. A shame we can't keep him on every issue, or at least till the end of the Zombot Arc. He just elevates it so much higher than the other artists outside of maybe Evan Stanley.

Trying to stick to positives, the use of emotion in this issue I found suberb and made the entire experience fairly enjoyable even in regards to me getting sick of the Zombot Arc. That's a bit of praise from me, but unfortunately no amount of good this issue did could stop it from honestly ticking me off and leaving me wondering if should blame Ian Flynn or SEGA.

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First it was Cream having to cheer up Amy, and now it is Tangle being the endless ball of optimism and energy giving Sonic the I believe in Sonic speech that I would expect from Amy. What exactly is going on here? What happened to the ball of endless optimism, positivity, and believing in others, especially Sonic, to the very end that I know and love. Her traits and tendencies keep showing up in other characters while she becomes a more and more hopeless and lifeless husk. She isn't even a shell of what she normally is, she's just plain not her. And don't blame the situation because Cream before her mother turned and now Tangle even being infected have put Amy's core traits on full display and it's making me livid. Don't get me wrong either. I think Tangle is the best new character in the book and I loved seeing her fight to the end, but doing so while doing everything I know Amy for while Amy is being a lifeless husk just leaves me livid. One of my all around favorite characters feels so disrespected to me right now and like either Ian Flynn or SEGA somewhere along the line forgot who she is. I never expected to be so livid again after Shadow's debut (I've actually come to terms with that as I explain in my recent Shadow thread) but i can't even enjoy the issue and everything it did well because of this.

Obviously I'm too attached to Amy if I'm getting this riled up, but she's been one of my favorites since her debut and watching her character being taken apart and given to other characters just leaves me more than a little heated. Honestly, the only thing keeping this whole scenario from totally taking me off of the book is if I swap Tangle with Amy and put Sally Acorn in Amy's current roll when considering that this story was originally meant for Archie. When I do it like that though I want to more openly blame Flynn for the treatment of Amy here and SEGA for letting him. I'm just so frustrated right now and need time to cool off. My word am I angry.

 

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Fair point about Archie, though.

[Fire-N-Space]

Amy's personality has been getting stripped away bit by bit for a long time now I haven't seen the latest comic but it seems her personality is a most  unoriginal wet blanket.

[DabigRG]

3 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

Amy's personality has been getting stripped away bit by bit for a long time now I haven't seen the latest comic but it seems her personality is a most  unoriginal wet blanket.

The contrast between this comment and the images in tone is something.

But I suppose there's truth there.

[Big Panda]

35 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

Amy's personality has been getting stripped away bit by bit for a long time now I haven't seen the latest comic but it seems her personality is a most  unoriginal wet blanket.

Let me get a little perspective here: how exactly do you believe Amy should be acting in this scenario?

[Fire-N-Space]

32 minutes ago, DabigRG said:

The contrast between this comment and the images in tone is something.

But I suppose there's truth there.

Contrast to what images?

[Kuzu]

Ive seen these complaints a lot and at this point, I feel these types of responses are coming from the fact that people just want to see the idealized versions of their favorite stories and characters rather appreciating how they're actually  being written, and rejecting anything that goes against that notion.

Amy doesn't ALWAYS have to be the one who brightens everyone and the one who remains positive. Characters should be allowed to express more than just a few personality traits, and some characters can even share a personality trait or two.

That's why these complaints are falling flat for me, because they're things only fans of that character would care about. 

 

I would implore people to start looking at the story for what it is, rather than what you want it to be otherwise you might as well just stop reading altogether because Ian Flynn is not going to go inside your head and use every bit of fanon on how super special awesome Amy is and put it in the book.

 

[DabigRG]

14 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

Contrast to what images?

Text: This is sadly a continuing trend.

Images: Dem pink hips though

12 minutes ago, Kuzu said:

Ive seen these complaints a lot and at this point, I feel these types of responses are coming from the fact that people just want to see the idealized versions of their favorite stories and characters rather appreciating how they're actually  being written, and rejecting anything that goes against that notion.

Amy doesn't ALWAYS have to be the one who brightens everyone and the one who remains positive. Characters should be allowed to express more than just a few personality traits, and some characters can even share a personality trait or two.

That's why these complaints are falling flat for me, because they're things only fans of that character would care about. 

I'm half and half on this case, tbh.

12 minutes ago, Kuzu said:

I would implore people to start looking at the story for what it is, rather than what you want it to be otherwise you might as well just stop reading altogether because Ian Flynn is not going to go inside your head and use every bit of fanon on how super special awesome Amy is and put it in the book.

 

Which he prefers to avoid doing.

[Fire-N-Space]

19 minutes ago, Panda Claus said:

Let me get a little perspective here: how exactly do you believe Amy should be acting in this scenario?

Like when Amy was in Sonic 06,  Sonic Unleashed and Sonic Adventure. Amy wasn't dry in personality there.

6 minutes ago, DabigRG said:

Text: This is sadly a continuing trend.

Images: Dem pink hips though

Ah, that makes sense.

[Big Panda]

1 minute ago, Fire-N-Space said:

Like when Amy was in Sonic 06,  Sonic Unleashed and Sonic Adventure. Amy wasn't dry in personality there.

Can you be more specific?

[Kuzu]

25 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

Like when Amy was in Sonic 06,  Sonic Unleashed and Sonic Adventure. Amy wasn't dry in personality there.

Ah, that makes sense.

See, this is what I mean.

 

How is being written like she was in those games benefit anything besides your desire to see her "well written"?

[SBR2]

1 hour ago, Fire-N-Space said:

Amy's personality has been getting stripped away bit by bit for a long time now I haven't seen the latest comic but it seems her personality is a most  unoriginal wet blanket.

I mean if by that you mean she actually has a personality now then sure.

[DabigRG]

Sometimes people wanna see a character be that character.

5 minutes ago, SBR2 said:

I mean if by that you mean she actually has a personality now then sure.

Actually, describe actually having a personality, would ya?

[Kuzu]

6 minutes ago, SBR2 said:

I mean if by that you mean she actually has a personality now then sure.

There's absolutely no reason to be this rude and dismissive and why people get heated in these debates/

[Fire-N-Space]

25 minutes ago, Panda Claus said:

Can you be more specific?

Unleashed had the world fall apart, a worst scenario then the comics.

 

25 minutes ago, Kuzu said:

See, this is what I mean.

 

How being written like she was in those games benefit anything besides your desire to see her "well written"?

 

Well written? I just want to see Amy act like Amy.

13 minutes ago, SBR2 said:

I mean if by that you mean she actually has a personality now then sure.

 

I don't mean that in anyway shape or form.

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9 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

Unleashed had the world fall apart, a worst scenario then the comics.

 

 

 

It's technically worse, but having everyone you know and love being turned into soulless husks is a bit more damaging mentally then the world falling apart. 

[Kuzu]

14 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

 

 

 

Well written? I just want to see Amy act like Amy.

Once again, what is her "acting like Amy" adding to the story right now? What benefit is there aside from you just being satisfied that she's "acting like herself".

[Fire-N-Space]

8 minutes ago, Kuzu said:

Once again, what is her "acting like Amy" adding to the story right now? What benefit is there aside from you just being satisfied that she's "acting like herself".

People normally don't like it when a characters personality changes without reason in TV, movies and whatnot. 

[StaticMania]

19 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

People normally don't like it when a characters personality changes without reason in TV, movies and whatnot. 

The reason being...the plot?

Ignoring the context of why they're acting different. Or "different."

[Kuzu]

21 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

People normally don't like it when a characters personality changes without reason in TV, movies and whatnot. 

That's not what's been happening though; you're literally the only one here that's been making a big deal of Amy being "ruined" because it's not the version of her that you want to see. You're not even judging the story on its own merits anymore, but on the merits on what YOU want it to be when it's never going to be like that.   More than half of your posts here can basically be boiled down to "Why isn't Amy acting like how I want her to be", and almost nothing about the actual story itself or even any other character.

[Fire-N-Space]

3 minutes ago, Kuzu said:

That's not what's been happening though; you're literally the only one here that's been making a big deal of Amy being "ruined" because it's not the version of her that you want to see. You're not even judging the story on its own merits anymore, but on the merits on what YOU want it to be when it's never going to be like that. 

I am the one and only person that makes criticism about Amy lets just ignore all the people who feel the same way as me, call Amy a stalker and happy to see her changed in Boom to "fix" her personality.

[StaticMania]

1 minute ago, Fire-N-Space said:

...lets just ignore all the people who feel the same way as me...

All the people here?

That only accounts for 2 other people as far as I'm aware, one of them being me...and I'm not really vocal about character related opinions.

Hmm, there may be more, who knows?

[Kuzu]

10 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

I am the one and only person that makes criticism about Amy lets just ignore all the people who feel the same way as me, call Amy a stalker and happy to see her changed in Boom to "fix" her personality.

Once again, almost EVERY post in this topic about Amy has been from YOU. You are quite literally the ONLY one who has been making a big deal about this. And once again, you're not even talking about the story that is currently happening in IDW anymore. And then you wonder why people refuse to hear you out when you make posts like these that generalize everything to justify your stance. 

If you're not going to bother trying to understand what people have been saying, then I'm not going to bother listening to the 100th post of "OH WOE IS AMY" from you every time a new issue comes out and watch you talk about how "ruined" she is.