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2 minutes ago, Ryannumber1gamer said:

That's...surprising? I don't really understand how him seeing drawings beforehand affects SEGA to the point that they'd disallow him to do certain plot points, but whatever I guess.

That's not SEGA that's IDW. It's just how every comic company works.

He used to get access to the drawing at Archie only.

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4 minutes ago, Ryannumber1gamer said:

That's...surprising? I don't really understand how him seeing drawings beforehand affects SEGA to the point that they'd disallow him to do certain plot points, but whatever I guess.

Taking what was said into account, he probably has less input into the art and lets the artists do their thing if it makes a better page or design. I remember on Archie he was involved in a lot of the character design and published scripts of his were pretty detailed.

I was a bit confused reading that grouped with the stuff about Sega's approvals, but what Marco says makes more sense.

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1 minute ago, Marco9966 said:

That's not SEGA that's IDW. It's just how every comic company works.

He used to get access to the drawing at Archie only.

 

Just now, Zaysho said:

Taking what was said into account, he probably has less input into the art and lets the artists do their thing if it makes a better page or design. I remember on Archie he was involved in a lot of the character design.

I was a bit confused reading that grouped with the stuff about Sega's approvals, but what Marco says makes more sense.

The post said he's on better terms with Archie, and then concluded with he isn't as hands on, implying that the better relations with SEGA, and his less hands-on approach is connected, unless they're just unrelated facts that were pushed together for some reason. What Marco says does make sense, it's just the Bumblekast recap should probably have been better formated to show they're unrelated.

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It’s great he’s having a lot more creative freedom on the series, even if it’s with less hands on.

If we’re able to get a Super Neo-Metal when we least expected it, it really opens the door to a lot of things we might finally see that we never got a chance to with the previous series.

30 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

Thinking one thing is worse than another thing is not a double standard.

You’re right, that’s a personal opinion. But I’m not talking about a personal opinion, and that’s why you’re missing the point.

What Sega did and what Penders did are weird lores that are bizarre from what anyone would expect from Sonic. Neither one were doing any better. It doesn’t matter if you personally think what Sega did is less worse than what the comics did anymore than someone seeing the exact opposite—they were both engaged in some very outlandish stuff to the extent that their actions were no different despite the diverging outcomes. As such there is no high ground giving Sega more of a pass for what they did and downplaying the stuff they did by comparison, which is the double standard here.

And again, if you cannot understand that, then you’re missing the point.

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6 minutes ago, Conquering Storm’s Servant said:

What Sega did and what Penders did are weird lores that are bizarre from what anyone would expect from Sonic. Neither one were doing any better.

I don't think so. I think The comic is worse. This is my opinion.

6 minutes ago, Conquering Storm’s Servant said:

 

It doesn’t matter if you personally think what Sega did is less worse than what the comics did anymore than someone seeing the exact opposite—they were both engaged in some very outlandish stuff to the extent that their actions were no different despite the diverging outcomes.

It does matter what I personally think, because I think one is worse and you seem to be upset at me thinking that one is worse.

6 minutes ago, Conquering Storm’s Servant said:

 

As such there is no high ground giving Sega more of a pass for what they did and downplaying the stuff they did by comparison, which is the double standard here.

I'm not giving sega a pass saying one is worse.

6 minutes ago, Conquering Storm’s Servant said:

And again, if you cannot understand that, then you’re missing the point.

I understand you seem to hate people have different opinions than yours

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8 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

I don't think so. I think The comic is worse. This is my opinion.

Good for you. Which one is worse still isn’t my point.

8 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

I understand you seem to hate people have different opinions than yours

Keep telling yourself that.

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Just now, Conquering Storm’s Servant said:

Good for you. Which one is worse still isn’t my point.

Keep telling yourself that.

Then what is your point, because you are arguing my point which was my opinion about one being worse.

So the only think you could do is argue that point. Which wouldn't be unusual for you, because you loose your shit everytime someone says something from archie might not be great

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6 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

Then what is your point, because you are arguing my point which was my opinion about one being worse.

So the only think you could do is argue that point. Which wouldn't be unusual for you, because you loose your shit everytime someone says something from archie might not be great

My point:

On 2/16/2019 at 11:18 PM, Conquering Storm’s Servant said:

Honestly, a number of things Penders had done wouldn’t be too big an issue if he didn’t have his head too fad up his ass over them given that Sega wasn’t doing any better with the stuff they were doing with Sonic.

Should go without saying that I don’t like Penders and much of his era of the comics.

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9 minutes ago, Conquering Storm’s Servant said:

No, because in my opinion, the games are far worse. But that doesn’t make them any less bizzare than what Penders pulled in Archie.

I think the games are less bizarre and I think most would agree. 

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The worst shit the games have - a human kissing an anthropomorphic animal guy, which is awkwardly executed but still a pretty typical fairy tale thing - is far, far less bizarre and uncomfortable than shit like Echidna Auschwitz and "First they came for the hedgehogs".

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3 minutes ago, Conquering Storm’s Servant said:

So what makes the apocalypses, werehog, demons, and demonic aliens the games have done get a pass?

Uhhhhh gee I dunno maybe because they're all silly fantasy elements and not awkward and tasteless analogies to real life tragedies? Maybe they're not always executed well but none of that is as bad as the shit the comics have done in the past.

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2 minutes ago, Conquering Storm’s Servant said:

So what makes the apocalypses, werehog, demons, and demonic aliens the games have done get a pass?

That's all fantasy cartoon shit you're talking about vs very real holocaust allegories in my Sonic comic 

Like...who's been attacked by a werehog in real life

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8 minutes ago, Heckboy said:

Uhhhhh gee I dunno maybe because they're all silly fantasy elements and not awkward and tasteless analogs to real life tragedies? Maybe they're not always executed well but none of that is as bad as the shit the comics have done in the past.

 

7 minutes ago, Wraith said:

That's all fantasy cartoon shit you're talking about vs very real holocaust allegories in my Sonic comic 

In that case, what about government conspiracies, actual war, and genocide that the games have also done? 

Mind you, I’m not giving the comics a pass for it’s attempt at this stuff under Penders era. But I’m surprised these things are considered less bizarre by being a fantasy cartoon stuff.

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Just now, Conquering Storm’s Servant said:

In that case, what about government conspiracies, actual war,

All still fictionalized. Maybe Gerald getting executed by firing squad is slightly out of place, but it's largely all sci-fi bullshit. 

2 minutes ago, Conquering Storm’s Servant said:

genocide that the games have also done?

I don't remember any outright genocide in a Sonic game, but whatever there was I'm sure it didn't come with this shit

Image result for sonic comic poem

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1 hour ago, Marco9966 said:

Not as hands-on means he doesnt get to see the drawings! He see the art the same time as we do. That's what he said.

...What? No it means he isn't as involved in the production as he was in Archie.

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12 minutes ago, Conquering Storm’s Servant said:

Mind you, I’m not giving the comics a pass for it’s attempt at this stuff under Penders era.

Fair enough, but still, I'm arguing that the worst of the games is just poorly executed goofy bullshit, whereas the worst of the comics have been uncomfortable and outright offensive at times.

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But I’m surprised these things are considered less bizarre by being a fantasy cartoon stuff.

"I'm surprised werewolves are considered less bizarre than holocaust references in a cartoon franchise"

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1 minute ago, Conquering Storm’s Servant said:

 

In that case, what about government conspiracies, actual war, and genocide that the games have also done?

I'd argue that these elements arent actually even outside the realm of "kid's movie" with the way the games skirt around them through their presentation. Like Shadow's back story is gassed up by sonic fans as being some awful betrayal of tone and it sounds kinda weird on paper but a lot of it is taken from a Pokémon movie so...yeah

 

All of that aside they're still not fucking direct references to the holocaust. Like, wake up and think about what you're saying for a second.

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3 hours ago, PublicEnemy1 said:

Okay, time for some Bumblekast news! I'll name some important bits for IDW:
1. Ian's actually been getting along with SEGA quite well, and they have actually been very receptive to ideas. Including things coming up that he was surprised that SEGA actually gave the okay for that would've NEVER happened in the previous book. The main thing that changed is that Ian isn't as hand-on as he used to be.
2. Ian confirmed the fate of Cream the Rabbit: she is NOT back to being mandated as some people might think. In fact, she (as well as other characters) is actually coming back in Season 2. They were originally supposed to show up in Season 1, but that never came into fruition. So hey, some positive news for once.

Oh yeah, I listened to that one a week or two ago. Guess I forgot to say anything, if I even thought it was worth it.

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