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32 minutes ago, Diogenes said:

There is so much detail lost in this teaser that we can hardly tell anything about what the character looks like. Even the one part with some actual visible detail, we haven't even come to an agreement over whether it's a hand or a tail or something else entirely. What have we got that makes this character look like Sally that isn't so generic it couldn't be found on a hundred other characters?

You left out the other important part of what I said

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it's probably enough that the people producing the comics should be able to see that putting a similar version of what is easily the most recognized instance of that design (regardless of whether it's similar to any other characters) under a silhouette and making everyone talk about who it is might be misleading.

Whether it "could be found on a hundred other characters" (which is already debatable) isn't even relevant because of who the people producing these things are, the fact that they know how people feel about these characters and the dearth of information regarding their presence in this book, and the fact that Sally is easily the progenitor of her own design. I certainly don't know of any other characters with that shape of hair and ears before her at least, and even if there are any, she's still easily more popular and recognized than any others you could list regardless, so they still should have known better. If it's really so "generic", then they're still at fault for creating a "generic" design, especially one that was spawned from such a hotly-debated character. 

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You're taking it as a given that the silhouette looks like Sally and I really don't agree with that. It's kind of like Sally if you squint and you imagine she's been redesigned a bit, but it's not at all this obvious blunder it's being made out to be.

The ears in the silhouette don't even look like Sally's, anyway. Her ears are triangular, usually pretty similar to Sonic's, the silhouette's are more rounded.

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1 hour ago, Ini Miney Jovahexeon said:

And speaking of which, I think this whole debate and misunderstanding on my stance, based off a new character who is or isn't Sally. Doesn't even look like her to quite a few, has gotten out of hand to say the least.

I'm getting some shut eye.

I'm not going to count the amount of times you're still claiming you didn't say things that you clearly said, you claiming things you did say but didn't (i.e. "I totally said it could be Sally"), the continuation of assumptions and conclusions drawn from nothing, and saying I should "look before I leap" when I've been linking to your posts with your words this whole time, bolding exactly what you claim you didn't say when you did, word for word. It's 12:30am where I'm at and I'm too tired to care at this point. This debate has gone on long enough anyway, and I'm sure the mods and other people in this thread are tired of me making giant walls of quote posts. lol

It got out of hand because you keep sending me mixed messages, still bringing up subjects that have nothing to do with my point, and lying. Every time you claim you're not "lambasting the other side", you sneak in bits like this then claim you're innocent when it is brought up to you. You call it a "misunderstanding on my stance", when your stance is all over the place. You tell me one thing, then when I bring this to your attention, you tell me something different. You can't just make excuses or go into denial by saying things like "to claim something means I'm saying something for a fact", "I'm just offering scenerios" or "what I meant is" after being so blunt, then accuse me of misunderstandings and not "looking before I'm leaping". If this were really your reasons for this, then it would've been phrased to imply as such. You wouldn't have been so blunt about it. So because of that, the debate got nowhere.

I don't know what you were expecting to go with this, but see what I bolded? I wanted to at least acknowledge that because it really sums up the point I have been making. Did you really need to include that? It just makes your "character who is or isn't Sally" acknowledgement half-assed because, once again, you're giving more credit to the people who agree with you that it isn't Sally, something you have been doing this whole debate. Why? Because there was no acknowledgement of those who do think it looks like her, which is even more than "quite a few". When you keep mentioning only one side of the debate, then what do you expect me to believe? You keep claiming otherwise (and, for the record, you stating you did/didn't do this is a claim), but then you sneak in things like this and then accuse me of misunderstanding your stance.

If you really do feel the way you do about your points, then I highly recommend you phrase them better. Because then people will understand where you come from with more clarity, and you don't need to spend a whole debate on a defensive end having explaining what you said because people interpreted it differently. It is something I need to work on as well, to be honest. Phrasing is very important. lol

Nevertheless, I'm tired of this debate too. It isn't getting anywhere. And even what I just told you in this post is just me repeating myself. So I agree about putting it to an end.

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10 minutes ago, Diogenes said:

You're taking it as a given that the silhouette looks like Sally and I really don't agree with that. It's kind of like Sally if you squint and you imagine she's been redesigned a bit, but it's not at all this obvious blunder it's being made out to be.

The ears in the silhouette don't even look like Sally's, anyway. Her ears are triangular, usually pretty similar to Sonic's, the silhouette's are more rounded.

I mean...not really? They're not that different. Either way, my point isn't that it is exactly the same as Sally, it's that if it's not, then it still looks way too fucking much like her for this to be a coincidence. If it was really so obviously different from Sally, then nobody would think it was her in the first place.

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1 minute ago, Swing said:

Do people really about her and Sonic Chronicles? 

"care"? That's the word you missed, right?

We're Sonic fandom, we have a stupid obsession with every obscure character.

With that said she can never come back (legal reasons), so her popularity simply can't grow. She's modern Ray the Flying Squirrel, and even he can be put in comic and stuff.

With that said, I found her character very dull. She was walking exposition with an arc as unpredictable as sunrise in the morning.

1 minute ago, Shaddy the Zaphod said:

That really means nothing for the comics, though. I mean these things made Silver one of my favorite characters, and he pretty much always sucks in the games.

Actually, does he suck in Rivals? I never had a PSP so I don't know for sure.

I'm sure you can check cutscenes on youtube.

But he's fine in those games. Yes, he gets into a fight with others, but due to nature of the plot, everyone does.

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19 minutes ago, Swing said:

Nah... she is one of the most forgettable characters Ken Penders owns. 

Is she? I didn't get through much of a Chronicles playthrough years ago, so I have zero context outside of summaries and TV Tropes.

16 minutes ago, Shaddy the Zaphod said:

That really means nothing for the comics, though. I mean these things made Silver one of my favorite characters, and he pretty much always sucks in the games.

Actually, does he suck in Rivals? I never had a PSP so I can't know for sure.

Yeah, I guess. Though I heard he's a massive dickwad at times.

Silver: Out of my way.

Sonic: Hey, Silver. Long time no see! 

Silver: I said MOVE!

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I think if SEGA wanted to use Shade they actually still could, it would just open all the legal stuff back up again. The thing is, SEGA could very easily and quickly solve it, because they're a big company with lots of money and lawyers, and more competent in their legal practices than Archie. They just don't care enough to bother.

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1 hour ago, Shaddy the Zaphod said:

That really means nothing for the comics, though. I mean these things made Silver one of my favorite characters, and he pretty much always sucks in the games.

Actually, does he suck in Rivals? I never had a PSP so I can't know for sure.

He's a jerk

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7 hours ago, SSF1991 said:

And of course, right after I make that post IDW comes out with another teaser of that character. And it looks much more like Sally than originally thought.

God dammit. lol

Maybe they heard you and decided to make some last-minute changes. :D

Though if they're just trolling I take it as I don't matter to them in any way.

Thus prolly my money won't either.

6 hours ago, Red said:

What if it's this Sally?

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Okay for me, any Sally would be a step towards the right way.

Unless they mess the core personality totally, which I hope doesn't happen since Mr. Flynn.

 

And about that teaser picture...

This one thing baffles me, how anyone could see this in a romantic light? There's more between Sonic and the robots at the background than anywhere else.

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So, in about six hours they're going to reveal a new character. It's probably the one behind the silhouette, but I'm also totally willing to believe it might be someone else because fuck it, they might as well go the whole nine yards with pissing us off.

I think the worst thing about all this is that I would enjoy the comic more if they'd just left all this silent. Telling us like this, letting massive arguments erupt (I mean, more than they would have otherwise) is just going to sour opinions even though it has basically nothing to do with the book.

I'll say: I hope it's Sally, because I like Antoine, Bunnie and Nicole. It won't be the end of the world if it isn't Sally. It'll still be a good comic, but I'm still not going to be happy with the way they handled the reveal of whoever it is. 

I'm gonna get some sleep.

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2 hours ago, Shaddy the Zaphod said:

I think if SEGA wanted to use Shade they actually still could, it would just open all the legal stuff back up again. The thing is, SEGA could very easily and quickly solve it, because they're a big company with lots of money and lawyers, and more competent in their legal practices than Archie. They just don't care enough to bother.


Eh, its not simple. Penders can of worms legal issues aside - you also have to consider the ownership angle.

Bioware, shortly after making Chronicles was brought out by a rival publishing company, EA. Logic would dictate that all the creative licenses that Bioware held (which would include Shade) would also now in fact be owned by EA.

So in the end, Shade is stuck in a weird limbo where her creators cannot use her for lack of the Sonic license, and Sega won't touch her for fear of having to pay legit royalties to the competition. Its a lose-lose-lose situation. It has nothing to do with with the ability to go out there and make it happen, there just isn't enough of a reason to pour in the resources necessary to bring her back. There's no way the return on investment would be worth it. You'd have to hire lawyers to sort everything out, shoot down counterattacks from penders (again) and then even after all that you are still pushing a pile of cash toward Bioware once all is said and done. Thats a lot for a one-shot character that appeared in a game that almost no-body thought was good.

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Okay, this is a promise; IFF it's Sally, I'll keep my hopes up for others maybe appearing too, AND buy the damn thing.

And gee, if people don't have a schema of Sally in their heads, of course they can't see Sally in any picture.

If it isn't Sally, I'm starting to feel more and more as if Sonic franchise has entered into some kind of purging state where the wrong kind of fans are being smoked out for ruining the mood. Given all this trolling of course.

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3 minutes ago, BlueSky said:

If it isn't Sally, I'm starting to feel more and more as if Sonic franchise has entered into some kind of purging state where the wrong kind of fans are being smoked out for ruining the mood. Given all this trolling of course.

Baiting and trolling is a gold mine for marketing Sonic stuff. It always has been. I'd say tone the purge idea's down a knotch and just take it at face value. Its just marketing attempting to stir up the fanbase and get people talking about the new book.

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1 hour ago, Marco9966 said:

Someone posted this in the facebook group.

What do you think?

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Also, qupte from JC_MikeB:

"I want my inclusionary diverse human, mobian, whatever world to escape to. That's what I loved the most about the post-reboot. "

THIS x100!!

Finally, it took forever for someone to do this.

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7 hours ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

 

And if it turned out to be bootleg versions of the Chaotix that would just fry the circuits of my brain. I wouldn't be able to comprehend in what realm of reality doing something like that would make sense. At least, here I see the line of logic even if the execution is sloppy. 

Linear the Alligator, Janin the Rhino, and Adore the Hornet

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