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46 minutes ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

I didn't expect them to go back and write all new origin stories for the canon characters as well. There'd be no point in having it set in a world based off the games if everyone from the games was going to have their own stories reset as far as I'm concerned.

Err I would had been fine with that myself. Seeing all the characters meet for the first time in a new universe sounds not bad to me. But again I don't care to strongly either way if the stories are good in the end.

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1 hour ago, Lord-Dreamerz said:

Err I would had been fine with that myself. Seeing all the characters meet for the first time in a new universe sounds not bad to me. But again I don't care to strongly either way if the stories are good in the end.

Eh. That sounds like it'd be a bit of a waste of my time personally. Part of the reason I was so hungry for a comic series based on the games is because the character dynamics and connections they have from the games interest me the way they are. I just wanted to see it get utilized and developed more. The games have no interest in doing that though.

If it's too different a set up a large part of the appeal is dialed back for me. Not enough to get me to stop reading of course. I still read the Archie comics despite this being the case but it's a big part of why my anticipation for the books improved once the reboot happened. 

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18 minutes ago, DabigRG said:

AlsoI thought "Nega" was generally an evil or, well, negative suffix?

In this context it doesn't dastardly. It means "similar, yet different."

21 minutes ago, DabigRG said:

Things that could be said about Knuckles' conceptualization.

Only in that both are written in contrast to Sonic and introduced as rivals to him. Knuckles isn't even reserved in the Genesis Era or like Sonic Heroes.

30 minutes ago, DabigRG said:

Wait, so, just about the same damn thing? :lol: 

They're different musicians who produced different bodies of work, yet they were used as models for Sonic and Blaze. Hence, similar yet different.

 

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3 hours ago, GentlemanX said:

I wonder how long we'll spend introducing the Sega cast. At the moment, that seems like the format they're going with. Like Countdown to Chaos but with characters we already know are like their game counterparts and like three times as long?

Well it wouldn't really be considerate of them to assume everyone knows about the characters.  It wouldn't make sense to rush through the classics that we already know. That's not how you draw in newcomers too the franchise. 

That was one of Archie Comic's major issues. 

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If anything, I'd want them to go into unexplored territory. Exposit stuff about characters or the setting that neither newcomers nor fans would know. The games' stories are incredibly vague on any actual background or details of characters or even most locations, and for the longest time a big part of the comics has been fleshing out things the games tossed away with nary a glance.

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21 minutes ago, Shaddy the Zaphod said:

Either way Eggman Nega isn't even from the Sol zone, according to Rivals he's Ivo's descendant from Silver's future, so in that context it would be wrong to call Blaze the Nega-Sonic even if she is his counterpart.

That's a (appreciated) retcon though. Eggman Nega himself calls Blaze Planet "Our World."

21 minutes ago, Shaddy the Zaphod said:

 Neither the Sol zone nor the future are even an inversion of the normal Sonic world anyway, just different.

They're similar to a point, then they contrast. That's how it works. I already pointed out Blaze, so I can bring up Marine being her version of Tails (child prodigies who also happen to be skilled pilots with special strange abilities, Tails being Player Two and knowing it while Marine fancies herself Player One).

21 minutes ago, Shaddy the Zaphod said:

Nega's still probably the most uninspired (and worst-named) villain in the series, so I guess I'm glad the Sol zone can hopefully have more interesting villains while we'll probably never see the future in the games again.

I won't deny any of it. I back you here.

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4 minutes ago, Shaddy the Zaphod said:

If anything, I'd want them to go into unexplored territory. Exposit stuff about characters or the setting that neither newcomers nor fans would know. The games' stories are incredibly vague on any actual background or details of characters, and for the longest time a big part of the comics has been fleshing out things the games tossed away with nary a glance.

Like maybe who Cream father is, some of the childhoods of characters like The Chaotix, Rouge, Blaze, etc.

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I don't care about characters' families, per say, unless they really contribute to a major point in that character's arc or development. If something in Sonic's childhood was a major turning point, was responsible for the way he acts, why he's in the situation he is I'd be okay with it, but I don't think there's really that much to explain otherwise. If we had some sort of big archive of character bios like Star Wars or whatever, then I can see it going there, but there's not much incentive for me to learn anything about a character's backstory when it doesn't provide major revelations to who they are as a person.

 

Basically what I'm saying is we should only see what we need to. Personally I $100% do not care about learning more about Cream or the Chaotix on account of me not loving them as characters. Cream mostly because she's still a tiny fucking child, but the cast closer to Sonic, maybe. I'd love to see a bit of Knuckles' actual feelings about being the last echidna or questioning what the point of protecting a big rock on an empty island is, for example. 

Or hell, why he's the last one. It doesn't even really make sense since he doesn't seem to acknowledge having ever had parents, dead or alive.

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1 minute ago, Lord-Dreamerz said:

Pssst... I still say it's Eggman. ;P

On another note with Cream... I wonder of that one robot still lives with her?

Gemerl probably has a decent chance of showing up to flesh out the resistance and give it more relevant characters. 

I only remember him from Worlds Unite but I liked his design and personality a lot.

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I don't care enough about Cream to want to see who her father is, though I'll admit to having my own thoughts about it from time to time.

When it comes to the Chaotix, I've often thought about stuff that's happened in their pasts but as far as parents, the only one that I even considered thinking about were Charmy's just because of the situation he's in as a six-year-old stuck with two older guys of a completely different species that also happens to have a detective's license. I've pondered about it but if given the choice I'd choose to ignore the idea of parents being explored still.

Part of what's endearing about it, actually is the mystery behind it really. I'd opt for ignoring finding out a ton about their parents in general unless it were something truly unique and creative or something that was passive enough to be ignorable.

An example of the former would be if Sonic's dad was like the hedgehog version of Van Hohenheim or some shit. An example of the former would be if Tails just briefly mentioned being orphaned as a kid because of a mildly explained event that happened with his faceless parents and we leave it at that. 

Not to mention it also depends on which characters it is. Sonic and Tails I'd probably be okay with those scenarios I proposed but the rest of them I really don't care to see at all.

At the end of the day though, I'd mostly just stick with not bothering. 

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1 hour ago, Diogenes said:

They look like perfectly ordinary hands to me.

It can have that connotation, but it doesn't have to. Photo negatives aren't "evil", they're just inverted.

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Oh, you know what, it's the flat yellow squares that threw me off..

40 minutes ago, Almar said:

 

They're different musicians who produced different bodies of work, yet they were used as models for Sonic and Blaze. Hence, similar yet different.

 

...Wait, what?! Blaze was inspired by Prince?

18 minutes ago, Lord-Dreamerz said:

Pssst... I still say it's Eggman. ;P

On another note with Cream... I wonder of that one robot still lives with her?

Ah yes, Gemerl. Yeah, perfect chance to see more of him.

He's another character I felt could've easily been included in Forces(and Generations, for that matter) alongside Cream.

13 minutes ago, Speedi said:

Gemerl probably has a decent chance of showing up to flesh out the resistance and give it more relevant characters. 

I only remember him from Worlds Unite but I liked his design and personality a lot.

Him debuting alone made me happy Archie didn't heed my request to postpone my subscription for the real continuity. 

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2 hours ago, WittyUsername said:

Maaaaaaan, I haven't posted here in months. Well, rather than nonsense on statuses.

I got curious and happened to peak what the IDW comics were doing. Glad to see a lot of the old guys are back on. That's nice. Not sure what I think of this new character. Guess I won't until I actually read it when I can.

But it's apparently all taking place around Forces? I haven't even so much as kept up with the news after Infinite's reveal. I might consider picking it up during a Steam sale. I think I heard something about connections between it and Mania and I haven't bothered with that either. Actually, I bought Lost World 2 years ago (full two years Purchased: Jan 22, 2016 @ 10:34pm ) and haven't bothered to open it up more than once to see if it runs. Might as well get that too.

Probably just gonna wait until a few issues are out then consider going for it. I got a lot of other games to go through. By then, the games will probably be dirt cheap and I can get around to playing them and reading the new books. See if I like where this is heading, if it's heading anywhere.

Oh, the old you has come back! So nice to see you return. I thought you left from even making parodies of the series. And in case you wanted to dig into Boom  a tad more, Stuff Dissected has you covered.

 

https://youtu.be/n8khGCn-e0c

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17 minutes ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

An example of the former would be if Sonic's dad was like the hedgehog version of Van Hohenheim or some shit. An example of the former would be if Tails just briefly mentioned being orphaned as a kid because of a mildly explained event that happened with his faceless parents and we leave it at that. 

For some reason I always saw Sonic's family as snooty rich assholes only concerned with wealth and public image. The idea of them being redeemable seems cheap to me.

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1 hour ago, Shaddy the Zaphod said:

For some reason I always saw Sonic's family as snooty rich assholes only concerned with wealth and public image.

I never gave much thought to Sonic's family beyond the extremely weird example I just posted. The idea of Sonic's family being snooty rich assholes sounds... intriguing. Not necessarily something I'd want to see but if someone wants to tackle an Elseworlds story about it, I wouldn't mind reading it. 

Basically, I'm only interested if it's something far off from the wheelhouse of what I expect. That's why I wasn't impressed when I found out who the parents for the Chaotix were. It's like, "Oh... Charmy comes from a Colony of bees and was royalty. I get it... cause Queen Bee and ... yeah..." and then with Vector it was like "He's from Downunda. The unique Brooklyn thing he had going for him was fake and he actually says shit like 'Crikey' because he's a crocodile and... those are associated with Australia... kay..."

Then Espio's was like "Yeah he's a ninja... from a clan of ninjas... and his mom is head ninja... and it's all very... predictable and boring and lame and weak and exactly what you'd have expected when being told he was a ninja..."

Shit like that. I don't want shit like that.

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You don't want backstories if they're going to be predictable. That's totally sensible.

I think the reason I like the idea of Sonic's family being snooty rich assholes is that it can partially explain why Sonic himself turns out the way he does. He's a teenager after all, and the fact that his parents are selfish people that treat him like shit is part of what can give him his sense of justice, and plenty of reason for him to leave everything behind and never live in a consistent place. The egotism can even be something unintentionally rubbed off on him from them.

And as much as I made this status as a joke, it would be fucking hilarious if Sonic met Tails by his parents adopting the kid to look more charitable, like Annyong/Hel-loh in AD.

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2 hours ago, Meta77 said:

The main reason they are not just saying No they will not be in it is to most likely in the biggest case to get people to buy the comic and experience the book without going in with false hype like all those sally fans hyping up a fake thought. If you come out and say flat out no they will not be in it they will not buy the book. by staying mum on the subject they either will not buy it or buy it to see if they are in it. Thus gaining some more sales and hopefully keeping those fans though sad sally is not in it will become hooked on a whole new comic and eventually let go of the past glued on.

Pretty sure that theory all just flew out the window as of this week. if Archie Comic fans are not convinced that nobody is coming back, the solicits and new characters being revealed should cement it.

My only hope is that the retired SEGA characters come back (Honey, Mighty & Ray, The Hooligans) and weren't blanketed under the "no Archie characters" mandate that I know SEGA has press-boarded on the IDW offices.

@VEDJ-F , what do you think? can the retired SEGA characters come back or do you think they were caught up in this mess?

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1 minute ago, VEDJ-F said:

Ian's already said that Honey is good to go, so that should say enough about their situation. 

Didn't catch that, guessing he said it in a bumblcast or something? I usually only keep track of him on twitter or here.

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46 minutes ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

I never gave much thought to Sonic's family beyond the extremely weird example I just posted. The idea of Sonic's family being snooty rich assholes sounds... intriguing. Not necessarily something I'd want to see but if someone wants to tackle an Elseworlds story about it, I wouldn't mind reading it. 

Basically, I'm only interested if it's something far off from the wheelhouse of what I expect. That's why I wasn't impressed when I found out who the parents for the Chaotix were. It's like, "Oh... Charmy comes from a Colony of bees and was royalty. I get it... cause Queen Bee and ... yeah..." and then with Vector it was like "He's from Downunda. The unique Brooklyn thing he had going for him was fake and he actually says shit like 'Crikey' because he's a crocodile and... those are associated with Australia... kay..."

Then Espio's was like "Yeah he's a ninja... from a clan of ninjas... and his mom is head ninja... and it's all very... predictable and boring and lame and weak and exactly what you'd have expected when being told he was a ninja..."

Shit like that. I don't want shit like that.

i feel like that sort of thing isn't about what it is, its about how its told

a lot of my favorite super heroes have cliche backstories, or started the cliche. So I think you should focus on less what it is and more how its communicated 

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Lemur is a fantastic choice of species for a Sonic character. Between the end of the Archie run and the start of this one, we have gotten some well thought out and well designed animals.

Her name is a double pun to boot. Her scrappy nature and her ability to use her tail like an extra appendage to grab things all add credence to the name.

 

The bar is officially set really high for Rough and Tumble. (I can only imagine Tumble is going to have to be a breed capable of a killer spindash)

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Y'know, I'm thinking the reveal image for Tangle is a cropped version of a variant cover for issue 4.

If you look at the "Tommrow[sic]" image from yesterday, you can see the knees and lower legs on her silhouette. Only herself from the thigh up are visible on the reveal image.

Case in point:

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Not to mention that you can see less of Sonic's shoe cuff on the reveal image.

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