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25 minutes ago, Swing said:

I thought humans aren't canon anymore. Were they not written out of the lore of Sonic after Unleashed? I'm confused. 

Iizuka created the "two worlds" thing

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37 minutes ago, Swing said:

I thought humans aren't canon anymore. Were they not written out of the lore of Sonic after Unleashed? I'm confused. 

So what, in Sonic Forces Shadow and Rouge don't work for GUN? They do missions by pure altruism and selflessness for free?

(it's saracasric :p)

No really, they can't write out humans as they are a very important part of Sonic's world, and part of Shadow's origin. They don't need to be main characters, just NPCs and citizens.

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11 minutes ago, Korke said:

Iizuka created the "two worlds" thing

I hope Flynn doesn't use this cheap excuse. I want one planet, just like Archie Post-reboot.

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2 minutes ago, Marco9966 said:

No really, they can't write out humans as they are a very important part of Sonic's world, and part of Shadow's origin. They don't need to be main characters, just NPCs and citizens.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they've retconned that away at this point. They retconned a bunch more shit for no reason at all in the past so I've just learned to accept it.

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Okay. I'm still confused. Even more than before. Just answer me that one question: Is their now one world or more alternative timelines for Sonic? Because according to Forces the Classic series is its own separate universe. 

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6 minutes ago, Swing said:

Okay. I'm still confused. Even more than before. Just answer me that on question: Is their now one world or more alternative timelines for Sonic. Because according to Forces the Classic series is its own separate universe. 

Trying to find consistency in Sonic's canon is like.... trying to find an apt comparison to that statement. It doesn't exist.

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1 minute ago, Swing said:

Okay. I'm still confused. Even more than before. Just answer me that on question: Is their now one world or more alternative timelines for Sonic. Because according to Forces the Classic series is its own separate universe. 

Allegedly, classic Sonic exists in a different dimension where Sonic 1, 2, 3&K, CD and Mania are the canon events, as well as Generations from classic Sonic's perspective.

In modern Sonic's dimension, Sonic 1, 2, 3&K, 4 and everything from Adventure onward is canon, all of which apparently take place across two worlds; the "human world" and "Sonic's World".

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1 hour ago, Ernest-Panda said:

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they've retconned that away at this point. They retconned a bunch more shit for no reason at all in the past so I've just learned to accept it.

Nah, Shadow's Sonic Channel comic is all about his past with Maria and Gerald, that's not gone away.

And given how much of a riot there might be if it was retconned out, I doubt it ever will for mainline Shadow. 

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3 hours ago, Marcello said:

I want the Battle Bird Armada to return. I've always liked them.

Me too. 

And if Mr. Flynn's comment about the Hooligans being safe is true, there's a chance we'll be getting them and the Witchcarter as well.

1 hour ago, Marco9966 said:

So what, in Sonic Forces Shadow and Rouge don't work for GUN? They do missions by pure altruism and selflessness for free?

(it's saracasric :p)

No really, they can't write out humans as they are a very important part of Sonic's world, and part of Shadow's origin. They don't need to be main characters, just NPCs and citizens.

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I hope Flynn doesn't use this cheap excuse. I want one planet, just like Archie Post-reboot.

Not to mention Eggman and Dr. Nega.

52 minutes ago, Swing said:

Okay. I'm still confused. Even more than before. Just answer me that one question: Is their now one world or more alternative timelines for Sonic? Because according to Forces the Classic series is its own separate universe. 

Oh boy.... See, I don't really mind that alternative dimension thing given how timetravel dependent characters/stories tend to work(ex.DBZ), but they really should've at least taken their time with revealing that.

I believe that's really just a way for them to justify doing Classic Sonic stuff without worrying about the timeline shenanigans.

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21 hours ago, Swing said:

Okay. I'm still confused. Even more than before. Just answer me that one question: Is their now one world or more alternative timelines for Sonic? Because according to Forces the Classic series is its own separate universe. 

Simplest answer is to ignore everything and assume there is one timeline, one planet and that's it (except for Blaze Dimension or any other spin off little words)

But officially

1 Forces established that there are two worlds/timelines: Classic and Modern. It wasn't verified, but it seems that they both went through Sonic 1-3, CD (and possibly other classic games), but "Classic Sonic" went through Mania, while "Modern Sonic" went through Adventure 1, 2, Heroes, etc.

2 In one of interview someone said that there are 2 worlds: Human Worlds (Earth) and Talking Animals World (usually called "Mobius" due to older comics/cartoons). This concept was never elaborated on, so how it works is all speculations. Presumably games from Adventure 1 to Unleashed took place on Earth. But even if Forces takes place on "Mobius", humans are still 100% cannon.

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Bumblekast update:

-Ian Flynn prefers a more proactive Tails, and not sidelined and coward.

-He also has a list of canon games to IDW, but he doesnt know when he can make it public (I'm prety sure Forces is canon though).

-I think he implied Shadow The Hedgehog is canon, I'm not sure. (if it is, that would make SA1-SA2-Heroes canon).

-Also, he reffers to the world of "Shadow The Hedgehog" and "Sonic Unleashed" as the "human world". I'm a bit worried about that! Perhaps Unleashed is not canon to the comics, but only to the games, I do not like the "two-worlds" approach very much.

-Tangle will be a supporting character. It's a book centered around Sonic (unlike archie post-sgw where it's more focused on the extended cast), but he notes the amount of love Tangle got, and that she could have a bigger role in the future if fans want more of her.

Bumblekast update over.

 

Also, if Forces is canon, that would make Sonic CD (Metal Sonic), SA1 (chaos), Sonic Lost World (Zavok), and Sonic Rivals (Silver) and Sonic 2 (Death Egg Robots, the character remember them) canon. And also, Blaze's appearance makes Sonic Rush canon.

 

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I can get not liking it, but the setup of the two worlds is really not confusing or inconsistent. Hell, Sonic X has taught you how it works for over a decade now, just the games' version has it be easier to go between worlds. There's a human world, and a cartoon animals world. It's not timelines, it's different planets/dimensions, just like Blaze's world. And there's a Modern Sonic timeline, and since Generations, a Classic Sonic timeline.

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42 minutes ago, Marco9966 said:

 

-Also, he reffers to the world of "Shadow The Hedgehog" and "Sonic Unleashed" as the "human world".

Oh.. oh no, bro..

Well.. would really like to see how he makes sense of that if he actually writes it into the comic.

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46 minutes ago, Marco9966 said:

-Ian Flynn prefers a more proactive Tails, and not sidelined and coward.

Well it's good to see he noticed that. Hopefully he doesn't have to deal with some mandate or out of his control decision that says that is how Tails must be.

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I don't know if he will only focus on a mobian world, or refer to a parallel human world.

20 minutes ago, The KKM said:

I can get not liking it, but the setup of the two worlds is really not confusing or inconsistent. Hell, Sonic X has taught you how it works for over a decade now, just the games' version has it be easier to go between worlds. There's a human world, and a cartoon animals world. It's not timelines, it's different planets/dimensions, just like Blaze's world.

I think this makes sense. I can like better the idea of a Mobian Sonic world, a Human World, Blaze's world, the Wisps's world, the Deadly Six's world, the Babylonians's world (we didnt see much of it, just the babylon garden)...

But then again, how do you explain Amy renting an appartment in Station Square, and Tails and Big having their house in mystic ruins? Or Rouge being a spy for GUN? Or that Angel Island fell near mystic ruins when Chaos destroyed it? And that little girl that says to Sonic "You saved the world before against that evil Dr Robotnik" in SA1? And that the entire echidna civilization was living in mystic ruins, which is in the human world?...

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56 minutes ago, Marco9966 said:

It's a book centered around Sonic (unlike archie post-sgw where it's more focused on the extended cast),

So, the other characters may end up just being more side characters this time around. 

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1 minute ago, RedFox99 said:

So, the other characters may end up just being more side characters this time around. 

But it's not gonna be so isolated as the recent games (like Sonic Colors). I believe Flynn will make great use of the cast.

+3 new characters as of now.

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