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All right, talk about Amy... cancelled.
Talk about respecting other opinions.. cancelled.
Talk about issue 2... what the hell can we say at this point about issue 2? Just speculate.

Well, let's check if worst case scenario is real. I'm going to try to predict the whole issue based on solicitation alone.

1 Enemies will be badniks and that giant spider-thing from Forces.

2 Sonic will easily beat smaller badniks, but will need Amy help to destroy spider, to emphasize power of friendship/team-work.

3 Amy will act like she did in Archie. Some casual flirt, maaaaybe hug or two, 70% chance she will talk to locals how awesome Sonic is, to inspire them.

4 Amy will ask Sonic about joining resistance early on, so point 2 can prove to him that he can't do everything alone. He'll probably aggress, but in a way that lets him leave her behind. He still have his meetings with Knux and Tangle in later issues. There is a chance that Sonic will say "Resistance doesn't need me. You're doing fantastic job."

5 Mystery villain will show on last page too announce Rough and Tumble for next story.

6 Literally nothing else will happen.

That's my worst case scenario. Plot so predictable I can write it without my morning coffee.

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6 hours ago, JosepHenry said:

Issue 2 better show Amy as kind of a celebrity like Sonic, I will be very disappointed if Sonic is the only famous one. Amy deserves some love.

If they're following Forces, you would expect that the key Resistance leaders would have become pretty widely-known.  Thinking about it that way, it would be a bit strange for Amy to go back to her usual civilian, bystander status after Forces...

But on the other hand, given that pre-Forces Infinite seemed to have no idea what he was up against when he went to fight Shadow, it's not all that clear how fast news travels in Sonic's World.

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1 hour ago, Marco9966 said:

I hope we see the villagers that are on the cover of issue 2.

That sheep and dogs citizens look cool.

I also want names for the towns so we can have a bit of geography and worldbuilding.

I hope so too, at least Forces level of worldbuilding, which was small but okay.

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I'm definitely on-board with giving even small villages a proper name.  If you do that, that creates the possibility of using one of them again later if you happen to need a village for things to happen, or dropping its name into dialogue.  It helps to construct the illusion of reality; to give the impression that these places are real to the characters and genuinely matter.

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3 hours ago, Marco9966 said:

I hope we see the villagers that are on the cover of issue 2.

That sheep and dogs citizens look cool.

I also want names for the towns so we can have a bit of geography and worldbuilding.

I really like that sheep/goat girl, so I hope so too.

3 hours ago, MetalSkulkBane said:

All right, talk about Amy... cancelled.
Talk about respecting other opinions.. cancelled.
Talk about issue 2... what the hell can we say at this point about issue 2? Just speculate.

Well, let's check if worst case scenario is real. I'm going to try to predict the whole issue based on solicitation alone.

1 Enemies will be badniks and that giant spider-thing from Forces.

2 Sonic will easily beat smaller badniks, but will need Amy help to destroy spider, to emphasize power of friendship/team-work.

3 Amy will act like she did in Archie. Some casual flirt, maaaaybe hug or two, 70% chance she will talk to locals how awesome Sonic is, to inspire them.

4 Amy will ask Sonic about joining resistance early on, so point 2 can prove to him that he can't do everything alone. He'll probably aggress, but in a way that lets him leave her behind. He still have his meetings with Knux and Tangle in later issues. There is a chance that Sonic will say "Resistance doesn't need me. You're doing fantastic job."

5 Mystery villain will show on last page too announce Rough and Tumble for next story.

6 Literally nothing else will happen.

That's my worst case scenario. Plot so predictable I can write it without my morning coffee.

It's still more story than the first issue apparently has.

2 hours ago, FFWF said:

If they're following Forces, you would expect that the key Resistance leaders would have become pretty widely-known.  Thinking about it that way, it would be a bit strange for Amy to go back to her usual civilian, bystander status after Forces...

But on the other hand, given that pre-Forces Infinite seemed to have no idea what he was up against when he went to fight Shadow, it's not all that clear how fast news travels in Sonic's World.

Amy was seemingly in charge of the Archives(for some reason) and also oversaw many of the missions. So it depends on whether she was supposed be the Wade Load or the Sally Acorn of the Resistance.

Infinite is supposed to be the haughty type and he was more focused getting payback on Shadow for destroying his Squad rather than because Eggman ordered him to. Whatever stories he heard of Shadow didn't really matter.

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I would imagine that if Sega doesn't intend to use Infinite again, then since he's very clearly a part of the Modern brand they might just give the comic free rein with him; it seems more likely for him to be off-limits if they do actually have concrete plans to bring him back in the games.  (Then again, there's Eggman Nega, who they apparently nixed for comic appearances on the grounds that they "didn't know what they wanted to do with him" and proceeded to do nothing with him.)  But at the same time, there's always the chance that they want to sweep Infinite under the rug entirely - but given that they were either content with or actually responsible for the comic starting out as effectively a Forces sequel, then that seems unlikely.

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Yeah, I'm 99.99% sure Infinite's not dead. He's most likely fair game too. If they still have very open and clear intentions to use the Deadly Six, then I don't see why they wouldn't bother continuing the tale of Infinite's Lament for ultimate power. They even gave him a theme song.  Though, his disappearance is most likely due to the writers not really having a way to end his story in Forces properly. Like Eggman at the end, and the Deadly Six before him in Lost World, he just disappears because proper endings where things are clarified and explained are so foreign and toxic to the series now. Not the comics though. Thank goodness.

13 hours ago, JosepHenry said:

Also guys, those discussions about what we want, don't want, your personal bias over the comics, are getting a bit oversaturated and repetitive, like, I get it, you're fine with the decisions made in the new comic, but you don't have to put an entire book in the topic explaining your reason, just say what you need to say and we will understand no more need for overblown clarification, or else it starts becomimg unintentional spam. 

Well, clearly I was the only one doing that so I'll apologize for it. It just seemed like so many weren't understanding to the point to where I got accused of saying something shitty. I didn't want anyone to leave this thing thinking I meant anything bad so I tried my best to cover everything in as strict detail as I could. Plus, I've been in so many situations where just saying what I need to say led to the exact opposite.

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Finally got the time to read the leak. As I was expecting ever since some announcements made, this first issue was okay - for Sonic fans. It was quite unwelcoming to newcomers, though, as you are "supposed" to know many things.

This would not be a problem years ago, but now it is. Our numbers are getting smaller every new year, every new mediocre game release...

It lacked hooks, but I'll let it slide for being only one issue. Even some great shows out there require some time to make you dive.

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On 3/26/2018 at 7:27 PM, Dr. Detective Mike said:

I never said I considered him dead weight. It really is just that I don't like him and don't really care if I see him again.

I'm trying my hardest to be as careful with my words here as I can because, like I said before, admitting all of this feels like I'm walking on egg-shells.

I never said you did. I was just making a statement on the matter.

I’d have directly quoted you otherwise. Everyone has a chance they don’t particularly like or care for, hence me using Big as an example for myself. I figured I’d make a point on it since the discussion was going thay direction.

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1 hour ago, Conquering Storm's Servant said:

I never said you did. I was just making a statement on the matter.

I’d have directly quoted you otherwise. Everyone has a chance they don’t particularly like or care for, hence me using Big as an example for myself. I figured I’d make a point on it since the discussion was going thay direction.

That's fine. I was just trying to clear that up because that comment about "Dead weight" came up specifically because someone was summing my thoughts up as that when it wasn't really that at all. That's it.

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12 hours ago, FFWF said:

gI would imagine that if Sega doesn't intend to use Infinite again, then since he's very clearly a part of the Modern brand they might just give the comic free rein with him; it seems more likely for him to be off-limits if they do actually have concrete plans to bring him back in the games.  (Then again, there's Eggman Nega, who they apparently nixed for comic appearances on the grounds that they "didn't know what they wanted to do with him" and proceeded to do nothing with him.)  But at the same time, there's always the chance that they want to sweep Infinite under the rug entirely - but given that they were either content with or actually responsible for the comic starting out as effectively a Forces sequel, then that seems unlikely.

You are assuming the people handling the sonic brand consistently acts logically 

You are also assuming they wont do a reverse sonic 06, where they reference the game and Don't reference infinite

12 hours ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

Yeah, I'm 99.99% sure Infinite's not dead. He's most likely fair game too. If they still have very open and clear intentions to use the Deadly Six, then I don't see why they wouldn't bother continuing the tale of Infinite's Lament for ultimate power. 

 They don't really have clear intentions. They just seem to fill space. Further more, they could just see it as not worth it

 

12 hours ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

They even gave him a theme song. 

It wouldn't be the first time the dedicated time to something, and then rushed the final product , no one ended up liking it and they shelved everything relating to it

12 hours ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

Though, his disappearance is most likely due to the writers not really having a way to end his story in Forces properly. Like Eggman at the end, and the Deadly Six before him in Lost World, he just disappears because proper endings where things are clarified and explained are so foreign and toxic to the series now. Not the comics though. Thank goodness.

True

 

 

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1 hour ago, Shadowlax said:

They don't really have clear intentions. They just seem to fill space. Further more, they could just see it as not worth it

It wouldn't be the first time the dedicated time to something, and then rushed the final product , no one ended up liking it and they shelved everything relating to it

When I say they have clear intentions to use the Deadly Six, I mean it's clear they intent to use the Deadly Six. Because they're still being used.

Infinite seems like he's going to fit the bill of a thing they create and bring back to have subsequent appearances without any of what he did before being addressed or given clarification so that it makes more sense and stops being lame. 

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What I want to see out of IDW's second Sonic comic is

 - To have Amy flirt with Sonic Again while not trying to hide it from him

 - Have Sonic be oblivious to her feelings but being respectful to them

 - and Amy would be as strong as Sonic but focusing on her cuteness to show it and not her hammer.

 

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24 minutes ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

Infinite seems like he's going to fit the bill of a thing they create and bring back to have subsequent appearances without any of what he did before being addressed or given clarification so that it makes more sense and stops being lame. 

They could that could be pretty difficult. I mean  that was his whole thing. You would essentially have to remove and reboot the character entirely. And at that point, why not just make a new character. 

Like forreal, they could just use his group of jackals being upset at Shadow, Sonic and Co for rocking infnite and just call it and day and they would probs be much better characters.

Because I keep seeing people go " well they can just get rid of the ruby " ok, so infnites just some asshole now? Because he wasn't that interesting with the ruby, and he was less as some asshole by himself. And his thirst for power isn't unique or interesting either. The most interesting thing about infnite is that he was a merc, apart of a group of merc that did missions, and what he became is so divorced from that. That he might as well just be dead and serve as a backstory for potentially more interesting characters

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5 hours ago, Shadowlax said:

You are assuming the people handling the sonic brand consistently acts logically

Oh, I'm not assuming it.  But the only way to make a rational prediction is to start from the premise that what you're describing behaves rationally; otherwise there's no point in constructing a response at all.  For example, exactly the same response could be made to your own point here:

4 hours ago, Shadowlax said:

They could that could be pretty difficult. I mean  that was his whole thing. You would essentially have to remove and reboot the character entirely. And at that point, why not just make a new character.

You're also talking about what it would make sense for Sonic Team (or anyone) to do with Infinite, without any guarantee that what they'll do will make any sense at all.  When asked to make a prediction, the only meaningful predictions we can make are the ones which actually make sense - and it's not as if those aren't on the table.  It's equally possible that Sonic Team won't make a decision that's rational in the way that we understand it, but if that's the case then there's nothing we can say at all.

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2 hours ago, FFWF said:

Oh, I'm not assuming it.  But the only way to make a rational prediction is to start from the premise that what you're describing behaves rationally; otherwise there's no point in constructing a response at all.  For example, exactly the same response could be made to your own point here:

 

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You're also talking about what it would make sense for Sonic Team (or anyone) to do with Infinite, without any guarantee that what they'll do will make any sense at all.  When asked to make a prediction, the only meaningful predictions we can make are the ones which actually make sense - and it's not as if those aren't on the table.  It's equally possible that Sonic Team won't make a decision that's rational in the way that we understand it, but if that's the case then there's nothing we can say at all.

My response, while reflective of my thoughts somewhat on trying to guess discern the actions of sonic team, is for the most part a joke. You can try and figure out what they will do with finite, I was just making a funny my guy

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