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10 hours ago, VEDJ-F said:

Collectively? That's an average of 15k each, which is like 1.5x what an average Archie issue would get, and 2x what an average Universe issue would get. 

Lemme get the real number...

Sonic #1 - 21,362
Sonic #2 - 14,684
Sonic #3 - 13,779
Sonic #4 - 13,225

That doesn't seem too much higher than the Archie Sonic average (9 - 10k by the end) going by the figure its trending down to. 

Edit: For comparison's sake, these are the figures for the first four issues of Sonic Boom.

Sonic Boom #1 - 17,228

Sonic Boom #2 - 8,216

Sonic Boom #3 - 7,474

Sonic Boom #4 - 6,957

So it has started higher than that, and stabilised at a higher point. Although bear in mind it's yet to face the challenge of monthly retention. 

That is some great numbers, will be interesting to see how the comic performs when it goes down to monthly. Really pleased to see the comic doing well

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14 hours ago, Tenko said:

So I saw a post on Twitter that exclaimed that IDW Sonic #1-4 first print runs had collectively sold over 60,000 copies. It sounds a lot, but is that good compared to Archie and some of its 4 issue arcs? Or the early more popular years of Archie according to old Penders who is always touting that his early runs sold the most of any issues. Blegh.

https://sonicsourceblog.wordpress.com/2018/05/07/idw-sonic-sales-numbers-breakdown/

IDW Issue #1-4 blew pretty much any arc Archie ever did out of the water. They also achieved these numbers without fatiguing buyers with 4 issues in 1 month. Archie sales averaged around 6,000 copies a month with only special events or milestone issues ever reaching even close to these numbers.

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14 hours ago, VEDJ-F said:

Sonic #1 - 21,362
Sonic #2 - 14,684
Sonic #3 - 13,779
Sonic #4 - 13,225

That doesn't seem too much higher than the Archie Sonic average (9 - 10k by the end) going by the figure its trending down to. 

Edit: For comparison's sake, these are the figures for the first four issues of Sonic Boom.

Sonic Boom #1 - 17,228

Sonic Boom #2 - 8,216

Sonic Boom #3 - 7,474

Sonic Boom #4 - 6,957

So it has started higher than that, and stabilised at a higher point. Although bear in mind it's yet to face the challenge of monthly retention. 

These are okay. Neither bad nor great. With all the promotion they were doing, I was expecting them to be higher. 30K debut, 20K for the weekly issues, trickling down from 15K to 8K over the first year.

The Boom comparison doesn't entirely work due to the weekly release. The drops between IDW's #2 - 4 are relatively conservative because retailers ordered them all at the same time and they were collectively treated like Boom's #2 was. There's probably going to be a more substantial drop with #5.

13 hours ago, VEDJ-F said:

I don't think it's so much that they have smaller print runs regular (otherwise we'd hear about MLP getting second printings all the time), more that the print runs for these issues were restricted. All the numbers line up to a 10k print run for all of them (at least for direct market alone), which is way lower than you'd expect in a print run for Sonic.

Print runs are determined from pre-orders. If #132 or whatever has pre-orders of 7500, you're going to print close to that. If #1 has pre-orders of 30500, you might go higher on the print run because you know a jumping on point like that will have re-order activity. Or you might still keep it close to the pre-order number and instead just do additional printings if the demand is there. This is why it's relatively easy to game the system and you've gotta take the whole "#X sold out!" with a grain of salt. An issue selling out could just mean "We successfully shipped every pre-order."

These sales also don't include the additional printings. Those haven't shipped yet.

1 hour ago, SoNich said:

https://sonicsourceblog.wordpress.com/2018/05/07/idw-sonic-sales-numbers-breakdown/

IDW Issue #1-4 blew pretty much any arc Archie ever did out of the water. They also achieved these numbers without fatiguing buyers with 4 issues in 1 month. Archie sales averaged around 6,000 copies a month with only special events or milestone issues ever reaching even close to these numbers.

I mean, this was a highly promoted reboot and #1. The biggest special event and milestone a comic can do.

Also Sonic Worlds Battle Unite had 43K sales because it was included in one of those Loot Crate-like things.

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3 hours ago, NotHole said:

I mean, this was a highly promoted reboot and #1. The biggest special event and milestone a comic can do.

Also Sonic Worlds Battle Unite had 43K sales because it was included in one of those Loot Crate-like things.

Ah that explains it, thanks for the info! You're right, issue #1's tend to debut high and then trail off to an average amount. In this instance, you can essentially included #1-4 in this effect. I would suspect around 10K+ for issue #5 going and probably settle around 9-10k within a year. 

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5 hours ago, SoNich said:

Ah that explains it, thanks for the info! You're right, issue #1's tend to debut high and then trail off to an average amount. In this instance, you can essentially included #1-4 in this effect. I would suspect around 10K+ for issue #5 going and probably settle around 9-10k within a year. 

I agree. A drop larger than 2K for #5 would be both surprising and worrying. I do think within a few months sales will land just above Archie's upper range before settling into standard attrition, though. Sonic has just always had a ceiling in the direct market. Between that, the gentle freefall the book was in during its last year at Archie and these initial sales, I'm not convinced keeping everything the same except the publisher on the cover will change much. But's that's obviously a gut feeling guess.

1 hour ago, Nestor said:

Do these sales numbers include online purchases?

They're sales estimates to comic shops. So they don't actually reflect sales to print readers either, just what was shipped to shops.

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1 hour ago, Ernest-Panda said:

I already brought it up a few posts back.

What I want to know is what is it doing being sold in a UK retailer like FP?

Ahhhh I didn’t see that. Forbidden Planet have been importing stuff like this for years and I’m glad they do.

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Even though we don't have the online number, I guess we can use those numbers to compare with post-reboot sales - which is a time where online stuff was already a thing, so it serves as a "thermometer".

 

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5 hours ago, NikoS said:

So, remember that bundle that was sold at the SEGA shop, we now know how that T-Shirt looks like

(and i regret not being able to buy it...)

Considering Tangle has MERCHANDISE, I wouldn’t be too surprised if a game appearance is soon enough. 

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Well there is that Sonic racing game coming out. That would be a good way to introduce her, with maybe a little info or biography box you sometimes get in games, which explains she is from the comic. If it also means anything, I believe the last Sonic and Mario Olympics title had Sticks in it, although maybe not a great comparison when Boom was given a far bigger initial push.

I don't know, I don't think it would hurt for Sega to try and give the comic a new push, maybe try and get some brand new readers in with the comic only a few issues in. I have no idea how likely it is or how much they care, but I don't think it would hurt.

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Okay this lack of Shadow + Team Dark official fan promotion in this series is pissing me off, same for lack of Silver and sometimes Blaze. Why won't Sega see that the modern character have as much of a big fan following than the Classic 4 and Eggman? I don't understand why Shadow is held back recently being as popular as he is, he should be on Tails/Knuckles level by now as a default focus in being a main character in official material outside of Sonic and Eggman. revealing him last out of suspense is bad for business, he like Vegeta for christs sake, he makes the money much more than the other side cast does.

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1 minute ago, Fusion-Ellipsis said:

Shadows appearing in issue 6 actually.

Makes it worse since usually Shadow showing up in anything is treated as big deal that should carry on for more than just one issue. Unless 6 has more pages, I feel they won't do him or Rouge justice.

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