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Truth be told, I'm starting to think that I was unfair with how Ian used Rouge; sure, she could have done more, but she was the one who helped Sonic and the others arrive to the village, there by indirectly saving Mr. Tinker.

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2 hours ago, VEDJ-F said:

 

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Actually, can I just say that I don't think an in-character Espio would be all too happy with letting Mr Tinker go free either? Shadow gets played up as the vengeful killer of the cast, but he was not the one baying for Eggman's blood in the process of a standard evil scheme, let alone after Eggman had taken over the world and forced their friends to form a scrap of a resistance. I mean, he gets played off as very passive and meditative, it's easy to forget nowadays that he does have a pretty aggressive passion for disposing of crooked ways (hence why he's a perfect fit for the detective agency). Maybe he wouldn't specifically want Mr Tinker dead in this case, but I don't think he'd be happy just letting him be free to do whatever if he was right there.

 

Yeah, now that you mention it, he always had that stance going on even in the Classic era.

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Aside from all my noted issues with this issue in particular. 

You know what I do like

I like that they don't even try to fucking explain where shadow went during sonic forces. I was half expecting Ian to be like "we should probably clarify on what happened " he has done this sort of thing before and some times expended on already established stories in interesting ways. 

NOPE

Nothing, where was shadow? Don't worry about it, Why didn't rouge know? Who cares. If she did why didn't she tell anyone? Shut up. 

They haven't really explained any of the plot holes. I hope they never do 

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4 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

Aside from all my noted issues with this issue in particular. 

You know what I do like

I like that they don't even try to fucking explain where shadow went during sonic forces. I was half expecting Ian to be like "we should probably clarify on what happened " he has done this sort of thing before and some times expended on already established stories in interesting ways. 

NOPE

Nothing, where was shadow? Don't worry about it, Why didn't rouge know? Who cares. If she did why didn't she tell anyone? Shut up. 

They haven't really explained any of the plot holes. I hope they never do 

And that's the bigger whole in my issues with the...issue.

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Normally I buy these comics as soon as they release, but after last month’s underwhelming comic, I decided to wait and see what others thought of this month’s issue ...

Looks like this will be the first issue I skip. Nothing about it sounds interesting, it sounds like I’ve seen the Sonoc franchise do stuff like this before...  Hopefully the next issue will finally pick things up, I buy these comics to be entertained, not bored.

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I feel like all I say is "I don't get the hate" but well I don't get the hate.

I thought the issue was a nice Character driven story about Sonic talking Shadow into giving the apparently amnesiac Eggman a chance at Redemption since hey he got one. I like that the fight wasn't really the main focus and it was instead Sonic trying to do what he felt was right. 

I also like that Sonic isn't totally sure Mr. Tinker won't regain his memories. 

As for the twist...I trust Ian. I'm sorry but he's never given me a reason not to think his stories are going somewhere. Maybe it's actually Neo Metal Sonic, Maybe it's an Infinite clone I don't know but I've never really been disappointed with an Ian Flynn arc before. (Well Iron Dominion. But I was more bored than disappointed)

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1 hour ago, Sonictrainer said:

Real Talk, why are some people saying Shadow is copying Knuckles, when Knuckles is the one more likely to give Eggman a second chance whether he's lost his memories or not?

Well, actually, most people don't seem to be saying that all. Reading through this, only one person really is. Or did.

And yeah, despite his temper, Knuckles is definitely more likely to give Eggman a second chance. I seriously have my doubts about whether or not he'd care about this situation honestly. Maybe he would. I dunno. It's hard getting a beat on Knuckles sometimes. Unless he was directly apart of this situation then I could see him giving some input but the most I can see from him being told about this would be the reaction of "What should we do?" and upon being told by Sonic what he was gonna do, Knuckles would be like "You sure? Okay. Good luck with that. Now where the fuck is my emerald? It's been missing since 99."

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That Reveal Fake Out sucks.

Spoiler

 

I know it's likely not the real Eggman, but that reveal was beyond predictable. 

Though it's interesting. In Sonic Forces, wasn't the last Phantom Ruby used by The Buddy? So are there more Phantom Rubies to use or are we dealing with a Fake Eggman in the form of Metal or Nega? 

 

Also, I know they rewrote the events of the games for the books' universe but I'm pretty iffy on them acknowledging the Black Arms. But that's a minor nitpick if anything. I'm not too big a fan of bringing back the Black Arms in any capacity just because they're an edgy version of King Greedy's Armada. 

Oh and as long as Sonic has alien friends, maybe the next time Sonic has a space adventure he teams up with Ristar. Just a thought, you know. It's not like he'd be out of place. It's not like Sega's doing anything with Ristar anyways. (I know that was the logic of Ray and Mighty being in Archie before Mania Plus happened, I'm just kind of wondering why Sega gatekeeps a lot of their stuff from meeting its full potential under good storytellers.)

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You know, i wonder how rigorous this Classic/Modern split is.

In mere six issues Sonic referenced almost every main modern tittle (expect 06, but it got time-wiped) and yet not a single scene from classic games (one off-hand mention of Death Egg in #5).

Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions, but usually they aren't that reserved about classic era. I'm not complaining, I just find that curious.

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1 hour ago, MetalSkulkBane said:

You know, i wonder how rigorous this Classic/Modern split is.

In mere six issues Sonic referenced almost every main modern tittle (expect 06, but it got time-wiped) and yet not a single scene from classic games (one off-hand mention of Death Egg in #5).

Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions, but usually they aren't that reserved about classic era. I'm not complaining, I just find that curious.

Some of the Badniks that have appeared debuted in the Classic Triology, CD, and Knuckles Chaotix.

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15 minutes ago, Sonictrainer said:

Some of the Badniks that have appeared debuted in the Classic Triology, CD, and Knuckles Chaotix.

Well, badniks are something else.

It's like saying this spiky fast character is from classic games.

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11 hours ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

I just read the issue and I really liked it. 

My girl Rouge, playing the people like the chessmaster she is. I got such delight when I saw the close up of her shifty eyes as she explained her part in this, appearing not as a sidekick for Shadow but as a moderator for the situation of her own volition. That's the kind of stuff that makes her one of the best. 

I really enjoy the way they're approaching this subject matter, honestly. Sonic's merciful attitude being pitted against Shadow's more hardline stance and way of doing things is something I'm grateful can still be pointed out every once in a while. It's nice just being reminded of why there is a conceptual difference between a Team Heroes and a Team Dark.

That said, I don't feel like this is merely a matter of pure right and wrong. There's an argument to be had on both sides and the comic doesn't ignore either of them, thankfully. It settles into one but not without its own caveats either. Truthfully, this does feel like it got a touch more complicated too. I contemplated that the one in the chair was Eggman but trying to work out how it made sense wasn't pulling much of a result from me. Now that it's been revealed, I'm loving that there's no immediate, obvious answer coming to mind still. 

I don't foresee things ending well for "Mr. Tinker" though. Everything seems to be going great for "Eggman" however. What that means, I don't even know but that honestly feels great.

 

 

You know she would still die for Shadow and if Shadow decides to call the shots, she listens and is subordinate. She's his Tails.

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11 hours ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

My girl Rouge, playing the people like the chessmaster she is. I got such delight when I saw the close up of her shifty eyes as she explained her part in this, appearing not as a sidekick for Shadow but as a moderator for the situation of her own volition. That's the kind of stuff that makes her one of the best.

A small, but awesome moment for her. It's nice to know that Rouge knows when to step back take care of Shadow's behavior. As much as I griped her doing little, she actually helped stopped Mr. Tinker from being killed. 

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1 hour ago, RedFox99 said:

A small, but awesome moment for her. It's nice to know that Rouge knows when to step back take care of Shadow's behavior. As much as I griped her doing little, she actually helped stopped Mr. Tinker from being killed. 

In forces she kinda helped Shadow kill Infinites team by pinpointing their location, do you believe she helps kill enemies with Shadow on her own free will or because Shadow desires to kill and she lets him?

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7 hours ago, MetalSkulkBane said:

You know, i wonder how rigorous this Classic/Modern split is.

In mere six issues Sonic referenced almost every main modern tittle (expect 06, but it got time-wiped) and yet not a single scene from classic games (one off-hand mention of Death Egg in #5).

Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions, but usually they aren't that reserved about classic era. I'm not complaining, I just find that curious.

I mean it might be that the Modern games are Y'know Relevant.

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25 minutes ago, Dash Speed said:

In forces she kinda helped Shadow kill Infinites team by pinpointing their location, do you believe she helps kill enemies with Shadow on her own free will or because Shadow desires to kill and she lets him?

Well, I'm pretty sure she didn't want them to die. There isn't concrete evidence for your statement, so I respectfully disagree with it.

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26 minutes ago, RedFox99 said:

Well, I'm pretty sure she didn't want them to die. There isn't concrete evidence for your statement, so I respectfully disagree with it.

Really, when was that?

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13 minutes ago, RedFox99 said:

It's only a hunch, but there isn't any case in the games where she wanted people dead.

Didnt she show degrees of bloodlust against Eggman in Heroes, she also supported Omega in fufilling his Revenge against Eggman? She's definitely has no qualms with working with murdering team mates and has expressed wanted eggmans comeuppance before.

 

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11 hours ago, Sonictrainer said:

Real Talk, why are some people saying Shadow is copying Knuckles, when Knuckles is the one more likely to give Eggman a second chance whether he's lost his memories or not?

Probably because of a somewhat easy shorthand.

Knuckles was supposed to be Sonic's Rival in his inception, debuted by being tricked by Eggman into pranking Sonic throughout the game, and was recharacterized in Adventure 1 to make the contrast between them even more clear. Shadow was later introduced and billed as a Dark rival for Sonic with a similarly stoic and driven by past duty persona, essentially giving Sonic two rivals of similar portrayal.

While Heroes onward made efforts to rerail and/or reconcile Knuckles' character to be less redundant next to the new kid, it's not uncommon for the two to be compared and contrasted.

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2 hours ago, Dash Speed said:

In forces she kinda helped Shadow kill Infinites team by pinpointing their location, do you believe she helps kill enemies with Shadow on her own free will or because Shadow desires to kill and she lets him?

Just want to point out

There is no confirmation shadow killed anyone in forces. 

They literally are last minute characters they added to try an add more depth to infnite, and the reason they don't show is more likely they do not have models and less shadow killed them. Because infinite in all of his rage doesn't mention them, once.  It is very clear they existed because someone drew them and sega might not ever acknowledge them in any formal capacity 

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6 hours ago, Dash Speed said:

You know she would still die for Shadow and if Shadow decides to call the shots, she listens and is subordinate. She's his Tails.

You know you can still be friends with someone and not be their tethered puppet on a string right? 

So no, none of what you just said has to happen. It only does if it's written that way and  if it ever happens in a manner that's unacceptable and not understandable when it comes to the situation at hand, I'll call bullshit. Because, she's actually not his Tails. 

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