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I remember the Japanese version of Sonic X had Sonic saying "shit" when trying to break Cream out of Area 51.

 

Not to mention there were quite a few innuendos in all the animated series over the years: 

Bunnie's "one-eyed monster" story (told to Tails) in SatAM. 

The infamous "Pingas" line from Adventures. 

Quite a few in Boom. "Polishing my schnauzer", etc. 

 

They got away with quite a lot. 

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2 minutes ago, Razule said:

Guys... we gotta.. we gotta move on from this...

Let's just all agree that Tails dropping the F-bomb would be completely okay.

Yeah, what's the point of staying 10 pages on a poop synonym word instead of talking about the actual story?

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17 minutes ago, Marco9966 said:

Whisper's introduction, her grudge against Eggman, Neo Metal Sonic's invasion, the upcomming resistance reunion...

Yes there is.

That's more like, the hinting of stories than a story

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1 hour ago, HywelAtTheMoon said:

 

The infamous "Pingas" line from Adventures. 

 

That wasn't an innuendo so much as people hearing what they wanted to hear from Long John Baldry's insatiably hammy delivery.

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There's definitely a story. There's a lot of repetition and build up at the moment, here 8 issues in, but we're definitely being told a story. 

I'm actually more interested in what the emptiness in Silver's future means. Dude's gotta figure his shit out. I'm starting to doubt he's even technically considered apart of a timeline at this point. 

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4 minutes ago, StaticMania said:

There's a "story"...there's not a "plot" yet.

Oh yeah, Silver/Whisper ship fuel and Sonic and Silver found out Metal Sonic took over Angel Island. It was apparently surprising for them, Silver even said a uncommonly seen word.. what was it, again? "Crap"? Holy crap, that was really shocking! 

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2 minutes ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

There's definitely a story. There's a lot of repetition and build up at the moment, here 8 issues in, but we're definitely being told a story. 

I'm actually more interested in what the emptiness in Silver's future means. Dude's gotta figure his shit out. I'm starting to doubt he's even technically considered apart of a timeline at this point. 

Yeah, he, Scourge, and arguably Dr. Nega became walking anomalies. 

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10 hours ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

There's definitely a story. There's a lot of repetition and build up at the moment, here 8 issues in, but we're definitely being told a story. 

I'm actually more interested in what the emptiness in Silver's future means. Dude's gotta figure his shit out. I'm starting to doubt he's even technically considered apart of a timeline at this point. 

I feel like that's more on Sonic team

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If Silver's entire world is completely changed everytime he goes back into time to the point where everyone Silver's ever known has probably ceased to exist multiple times over and everything is unrecognizable, why not just stay in the present instead of going back and forth? After this, he's probably going to go back only to immediately return (read as: the next big arc) because the world is frozen or something.

 

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1 hour ago, Razule said:

If Silver's entire world is completely changed everytime he goes back into time to the point where everyone Silver's ever known has probably ceased to exist multiple times over and everything is unrecognizable, why not just stay in the present instead of going back and forth? After this, he's probably going to go back only to immediately return (read as: the next big arc) because the world is frozen or something.

 

 

Well, the only way to actually confirm if his future has been saved is to go back and look for himself. If he comes to the past to stop an event that he "thinks" causes his world to turn into an ice ball (or water world or whatever), he can't be 100% confident that he has achieved his mission accomplished until he hops back through the time portal to see for himself.

We already know Silver is doing this for a greater good mentality, and less in hopes of keeping friends and family safe. Through all versions, Silver was a lonely kid who really had no friends (save for Blaze in 06). Silvers not jumping back in time so he can save his family or something - he's doing it for justice. Because of that It doesn't really matter that his place in the universe has been warped beyond recognition or the future keeps wildly changing - all that matters is that he is able to come back - do a thing - and end up with a brighter future. That's his character motivation. That's his drive.

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16 minutes ago, Sega DogTagz said:

 

Well, the only way to actually confirm if his future has been saved is to go back and look for himself. If he comes to the past to stop an event that he "thinks" causes his world to turn into an ice ball (or water world or whatever), he can't be 100% confident that he has achieved his mission accomplished until he hops back through the time portal to see for himself.

We already know Silver is doing this for a greater good mentality, and less in hopes of keeping friends and family safe. Through all versions, Silver was a lonely kid who really had no friends (save for Blaze in 06). Silvers not jumping back in time so he can save his family or something - he's doing it for justice. Because of that It doesn't really matter that his place in the universe has been warped beyond recognition or the future keeps wildly changing - all that matters is that he is able to come back - do a thing - and end up with a brighter future. That's his character motivation. That's his drive.

But that never really comes through in his characterization

Further more, I actually find it super irresponsible? You shouldn't just being going back in time all the time , because you might be fucking up the timeline. Not every event would require your intervention, this last one sure seemed like silver didn't really help much

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13 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

But that never really comes through in his characterization

Further more, I actually find it super irresponsible? You shouldn't just being going back in time all the time , because you might be fucking up the timeline. Not every event would require your intervention, this last one sure seemed like silver didn't really help much

Well, if Silver wasn't there in Forces it seems like the Eggman-torn world would've been the future. Even if it seems like he really didn't do anything in Forces but recruit Knuckles and knock a Ruby prototype out of Infinite for the Avatar to get. 

Maybe without Silver, Knuckles would've died against the fake Chaos 0 and there'd be no way to stop the sun from destroying the Resistance. Unfortunately, the future seems to be destined to go to ruin in some way no matter what by Silver's time anyway.

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2 minutes ago, Razule said:

Well, if Silver wasn't there in Forces it seems like the Eggman-torn world would've been the future. Even if it seems like he really didn't do anything in Forces but recruit Knuckles and knock a Ruby prototype out of Infinite for the Avatar to get. 

Maybe without Silver, Knuckles would've died against the fake Chaos 0 and there'd be no way to stop the sun from destroying the Resistance. Unfortunately, the future seems to be destined to go to ruin in some way no matter what by Silver's time anyway.

I feel like there are a lot of what ifs, and I feel like you kind of need a tangible threat to have time travelers around, or it quickly becomes irresponsible. To make a comparison, Cable from marvel comics is at his best when there is something he needs to specifically be doing. And not as " random future man " or " Plot device to get rid of story element we don't like " , that character quickly becomes irresponsible with out it. 

Like say , if silver.. explained to us how the future got so bad, and he was there to stop a specific event from happening, and what it does to the future. That fixes that, but he hasn't got that explanation for a while. So his character is just around with vague threats of a terrible future who I as the person getting entertained, cannon entertain because he's yet to shown proof of this. 

This is, ontop of this type of storyline being used poorly. Much like infinite's power is being used too small time. They did it once in the comic, but it would be interesting if silver came back to stop the main characters from doing shit, because he thinks it will make the future worse. That's a tangle threat with real fallout that people have to deal with , that isn't just vague threats of a terrible future 

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15 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

But that never really comes through in his characterization

Sure it does.

In 06 he was naive and desperate. Blaze told him the former to his face, and Mephilies took advantage of the latter. Both were a result of the bleak future he was born into and his strong desire to do whatever it takes to change it.

Flynn picked it up from there and the characterization stayed consistent.

Silver debuted in the comics jumping to conclusions and acting on his desperation on several different occasions. Each time he targeted a FF, he did so wearing his motivation on his sleeve. That the fate of his future hung in the balance and he was doing what he had to do out of necessity. Each time garnishing more ridicule for being so naive and ill informed to the big picture - and adding friction between himself and the main cast. When Sonic finally snapped on him, and keel-hauled him through the city, that was the end result of a consistent build up of his character. He was naive to the situations grand scheme, and when he finally did catch up he lacked the social skills to understand how his delivery might rub Sonic the wrong way. 

Fastforward though some game arcs and the Silver Age, all the way up to IDW and we still see Flynn staying home with Silvers characterization in IDW. He lacks big time social skills (and his contrast with Whisper is even explained to the viewer in one panel - confirming both his awkward approach to Whisper and his lifetime of loneliness).

Silver's characterization has always been awkward and naive - with a foundation of a kid who will sacrifice everything to save the world. Thats never wavered.

 

15 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

Further more, I actually find it super irresponsible? You shouldn't just being going back in time all the time , because you might be fucking up the timeline. Not every event would require your intervention, this last one sure seemed like silver didn't really help much

How irresponsible is it if his timeline was already shot to hell and back to begin with? Its not like Silver is jumping back to save a handful of people or something - in most cases he's quite literally doing it to stave off Armageddon level scenarios.

Shoot, his future can't get much worse, might as well risk the butterfly effect if your world is covered in lava and everyone has lost hope.

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8 minutes ago, Sega DogTagz said:

Sure it does.

In 06 he was naive and desperate. Blaze told him the former to his face, and Mephilies took advantage of the latter. Both were a result of the bleak future he was born into and his strong desire to do whatever it takes to change it.

 

8 minutes ago, Sega DogTagz said:

Flynn picked it up from there and the characterization stayed consistent.

No it hasn't. He littterally has his entire character reconnected into oblivion and one of his most major complaints by a good share of his detractors is that they don't even know what type of character he's supposed. He's largely different in every interpretation. And isn't around enough to develop any character at all. 

8 minutes ago, Sega DogTagz said:

Silver debuted in the comics jumping to conclusions and acting on his desperation on several different occasions. Each time he targeted a FF, he did so wearing his motivation on his sleeve. That the fate of his future hung in the balance and he was doing what he had to do out of necessity. Each time garnishing more ridicule for being so naive and ill informed to the big picture - and adding friction between himself and the main cast. When Sonic finally snapped on him, and keel-hauled him through the city, that was the end result of a consistent build up of his character. He was naive to the situations grand scheme, and when he finally did catch up he lacked the social skills to understand how his delivery might rub Sonic the wrong way. 

 

8 minutes ago, Sega DogTagz said:

Fastforward though some game arcs and the Silver Age, all the way up to IDW and we still see Flynn staying home with Silvers characterization in IDW. He lacks big time social skills (and his contrast with Whisper is even explained to the viewer in one panel - confirming both his awkward approach to Whisper and his lifetime of loneliness).

I don't feel like either of those silves are romtely the same. I feel like you are trying to conflate minor things into full on character constancy where there is none. The silver in the comic is nothing like the silver in 06. Even if he did jump to a conclusion one time, everyone in sonic jumps to conclusions on occasion. Jumping to a conclusion, is not itself a character. This is combined with him never really having solid character traits in any of these arcs, his characterization is largely generic hero from the future. I guess some people can say he's " Dorky " but he's not he's just self serious and that doesn't really make him particularly unique or interesting either. 

8 minutes ago, Sega DogTagz said:

Silver's characterization has always been awkward and naive - with a foundation of a kid who will sacrifice everything to save the world. Thats never wavered.

It has, infact it largely doesn't exist. And Ian flyn and whoever basically has to write him a new version of his character every time he pops up

8 minutes ago, Sega DogTagz said:

 

How irresponsible is it if his timeline was already shot to hell and back to begin with? Its not like Silver is jumping back to save a handful of people or something - in most cases he's quite literally doing it to stave off Armageddon level scenarios.

 

8 minutes ago, Sega DogTagz said:

Shoot, his future can't get much worse, might as well risk the butterfly effect if your world is covered in lava and everyone has lost hope.

1) Because he doesn't know if by doing this , he's actually ensuring the future's doom. Like the thing he almost did the first time he came back

2) He doesn't know if the people in the past could actually handle it by themselves, and unless he has a clear defined reason to go back, he's basically guessing why his future is shitty

3) Along with two, if its a singular timeline, he's effectively effectively erasing people from reality over and over and over again because the future isn't quite the way he wanted it

4) Read of Ultron. No seriously, find the Original Age of Ultron story, Read it. And understand the lesson that wolverine learned.

5) It should have effects, the ability to just traverse time, and just warn people of shit its far too powerful a device to just be  athing a character uses whenever. Even if its something light hearted like sonic. These narrative devices need consequences. Or else A silver looks far too powerful, or B which has actually happening. Silver doesn't matter because it doesn't feel like he actually effected anything, someone just wanted him around. And that makes him look incredibly irresponsible 

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