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Most importantly, I want my bunny, Cream to finally show up. Bonus points if she gets interactions with Blaze. Would also love for underutilized characters that aren't making the cut for year one to appear in year two, such as the Rogues, Big, Sticks, Marine and whoever else. 

I also wish to see some hard focus on Tangle and Whisper, as well as the skunk bros, and it looks like the latter will be getting just that in issue 13. 

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Just now, MightyRay said:

You and I must have played two different games because Amy in Heroes was 90% annoying to me. Like the girl made Cream nervous when she questioned if Sonic actually liked her not to mention how irritated Sonic was when she found him in the city boss fight. And the ending he was like "I'm off" as soon as Amy chased after him. Like Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 are way, way better examples than Heroes.

Also I'm sorry but I've been lurking on this board for ages and if I didn't know any better I'd swear you were just trolling around via using your enjoyment of Amy to rile people up. Like I've got no beef with talking about Amy and she's O.K. to me but the way you do it is boarding on over the top.

We must have played different games as I love Amy in Heroes Adventures is good but Heroes is a way better example of who Amy is. I don't remember Cream being nervous after the battle with Team Sonic.

The better question is why do people get riled up so easily when people start talking about Amy I wish I had a dollar every time I see someone taking about Amy get a speech about how she was never good from a complete stranger. I seen plenty of people tell me how their only O.K with Amy every time I talk about her, so I just got use to people getting rile up all the time around me. I should be able say something if I think she's getting the short end of the stick.

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32 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

The better question is why do people get riled up so easily when people start talking about Amy I wish I had a dollar every time I see someone taking about Amy get a speech about how she was never good from a complete stranger.

Except they don’t get riled up so easily given that people like Amy when she’s not defined as someone obsessed with Sonic all the time and don’t think she’s being given the short end of the stick.

Your comments are the ones that stand out over this, actually.

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41 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

We must have played different games as I love Amy in Heroes Adventures is good but Heroes is a way better example of who Amy is. I don't remember Cream being nervous after the battle with Team Sonic.

The better question is why do people get riled up so easily when people start talking about Amy I wish I had a dollar every time I see someone taking about Amy get a speech about how she was never good from a complete stranger. I seen plenty of people tell me how their only O.K with Amy every time I talk about her, so I just got use to people getting rile up all the time around me. I should be able say something if I think she's getting the short end of the stick.

So the scenes where Amy's positive nature helps get through to Shadow and stops Sonic from smashing Gamma into tiny bits pales in comparison to her, what, ignoring boundires and dissing Vector?

O.K., different strokes for different folks I guess.

Now to answer your question about why people get cranky when the pink marshmallow gets brought up, from my experience is the obnoxiousness of it all, I've seen so many shipping wars lead by over the top SonAmy fans who only view Amy as a character if she's with Sonic, and, who get very, very upset if Amy isn't the star or isn't joined to Sonic's hip. And she's not allowed to show anything else but her love and that's it. It really puts me off which is a shame cause I know she is a decent character and has done some cool stuff in the past. 

And I see it in you, how you throw folks under bus both real life and fictional, and how when asked why, you tend to be really dismissive of others questioning you. Like I said earlier, I, myself have got no beef with you talking about Amy, but it's how you express yourself in your words and comments that tend to annoy folks and you don't seem terribly interested in engaging and listening to the other side, which can be poison for lurkers who may wanna engage. I'm glad folks like to see your passion about Amy, that's great! Just remember, you can express your opinion here but people are going to challenge it and engage if they think somethings up.

I'm going to leave it here before it completely derails the thread, which I don't want. Anyway, you have a nice day and I'll see you later.

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1 hour ago, MightyRay said:

. Like the girl made Cream nervous when she questioned if Sonic actually liked her 

 

44 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

We must have played different games as I love Amy in Heroes Adventures is good but Heroes is a way better example of who Amy is. I don't remember Cream being nervous after the battle with Team Sonic.

 

It wasn't really Amy making Cream nervous at the beginning of Casino Park so much as Cream wondering the true nature of Sonic's feelings regarding Amy aloud and scratching the train of thought once she realized Amy was listening, hence her awkward little giggle.

Granted, I'm not familiar with the Japanese version of the scene and the voice direction of the English scene might've been a little off, but as far as the visual collaboration goes, Amy didn't seem to really catch on to what Cream was actually thinking and was honestly curious as to what her take on his running is.

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Just now, Conquering Storm’s Servant said:

Except they don’t get riled up so easily given that people like Amy when she’s not defined as someone obsessed with Sonic all the time.

Your comments are the ones that stand out over this, actually.

Not everyone calls her obsessed every time she looks at Sonic like some do.

 

Just now, MightyRay said:

So the scene's where Amy's positive nature helps get through to Shadow and stop Sonic from smashing Gamma into tiny bits pales in comparison to her what, ignoring boundires and dissing Vector?

O.K. different strokes for different folks I guess.

Now to answer your question about who people get cranky when the pink marshmallow gets brought up, from my experience is the obnoxiousness of it all, I've seen so many shipping wars lead by over the top SonAmy fans who only Amy as a character if she's with Sonic and, who get very, very upset if Amy isn't the star or is joined to Sonic's hip. And she's not allowed to show anything else but her love and that's it. It really puts me off which is a shame cause I know she is a decent character and has done some cool stuff in the past. 

And I see it in you, how you throw folks under bus both real life and fictional, , and how when asked why you tend to be really dismissive of others questioning you. Like I said earlier I (myself) have got no beef with you talking about Amy, but it's how you express yourself in your words and comments that tend to annoy folks and you don't seem terribly interested in engaging and listening to the other side which can be poison for lurkers who may wanna engage. I'm glad folks like to see your passion about Amy that's great! Just remember you can express your opinion here but people are going to challenge it and engage if they think somethings up.

I'm going to leave it here before it completely derails the thread which I don't want. Anyway you have a nice day and I'll see you later.

Lol what!?

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59 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

Not everyone calls her obsessed every time she looks at Sonic like some do.

I don’t think you’re actually reading what people are saying then, much less what I was saying.

Not on this site at least.

 

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Amy is at her best when she's actually given a character beyond just loving Sonic, so I'm all aboard things that allow her to grow out of just being a fangirl. 

 

If people just love her because she obsesses over Sonic and want her to be defined by that, hey I'm not gonna tell you that's wrong. But I think it's important to understand why that's not really popular nor does it make for a very interesting or engaging character and does in fact, get really fucking grating. 

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2 hours ago, DabigRG said:

It wasn't really Amy making Cream nervous at the beginning of Casino Park so much as Cream wondering the true nature of Sonic's feelings regarding Amy aloud and scratching the train of thought once she realized Amy was listening, hence her awkward little giggle.

Granted, I'm not familiar with the Japanese version of the scene and the voice direction of the English scene might've been a little off, but as far as the visual collaboration goes, Amy didn't seem to really catch on to what Cream was actually thinking and was honestly curious as to what her take on his running is.

Looking it up, Amy certainly sounds more...intense... in the Japanese version. I've always assumed it was meant to be an "and what exactly are you implying?" kind of moment that the English voice actor/director flubbed, because the alternative is just boring.

On the subject of Amy in general, while she should be more than just Sonic's #1 fangirl, I wouldn't want them to downplay that side of her too much. I like my Sonic character personalities to be big, bold, and flawed, and if they focus too much on making her less annoying and more "useful" she might end up just being boring and generic. Plus, I think some amount of conflict and tension between the heroes is important, and she's one of the rare sources of it, even rarer that it's not based in rivalry. A bunch of characters working together effectively and without issue doesn't make for much of a story, and conflict from within can be just as compelling as conflict from without.

And as far as IDW Sonic's take on Amy, issue 2 was pretty good; a little verbal jousting between them, a bit of swooning on Amy's end, and some solid combat teamwork. They've clearly got a different dynamic than other characters, and one that's not entirely without tension. Past that she's been kinda dull, though; just being a reasonably competent leader isn't that interesting and it doesn't really play to her strengths. Though in fairness at this point they're juggling over a dozen characters and there isn't enough space to give any of them much focus, so maybe they'll do better once they're past this mess.

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I'll take in charge leader Amy over "MY SONIC! I'M GOING TO FORCE YOU INTO MARRIAGE AGAINST YOUR WILL AND IF YOU LOOK AT ANOTHER GIRL IN ANY CONTEXT I'LL BECOME TERRIFYINGLY VIOLENT!"

Like seriously never bring that back if you ask me. 

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12 hours ago, Conquering Storm’s Servant said:

I can understand not wanting two Sonic’s, but why are we still insisting that the FF took all the screentime when that isn’t true? Especially when it came to post-reboot Archie—it’s no different than having Tangle and Whisper around here in IDW.

There is a big difference though, the Freedom Fighters were everywhere in the main book even during the reboot, almost every issue, there was one where Sally was even in both stories and Sonic only in one of them (it's just one case though). The focus should be on game characters in my opinion. I do believe the Freedom Fighters were taking over in the reboot, while with Tangle and Whisper there is barely screentime for them, in fact I would say we haven't seen much of them. Besides, the focus should be on few characters, not a giant cast, so the pattern of having Sonic with an ally works really well, even though it gets repetitive, I admit, if you have fewer characters you can provide more attention and exploration to them. That's just my thought. Then there are fans who really dislike comic exclusive characters and would prefer a 100% game comic only, those are a lot more strict than I am, I would gladly welcome more comic characters and even the FFs in small doses.

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9 hours ago, Diogenes said:

Looking it up, Amy certainly sounds more...intense... in the Japanese version. I've always assumed it was meant to be an "and what exactly are you implying?" kind of moment that the English voice actor/director flubbed, because the alternative is just boring.

 

Huh. Well look at that.

The slight differences between how the two scripts phrase certain things is kinda interesting.

9 hours ago, Diogenes said:

 

On the subject of Amy in general, while she should be more than just Sonic's #1 fangirl, I wouldn't want them to downplay that side of her too much. I like my Sonic character personalities to be big, bold, and flawed, and if they focus too much on making her less annoying and more "useful" she might end up just being boring and generic. Plus, I think some amount of conflict and tension between the heroes is important, and she's one of the rare sources of it, even rarer that it's not based in rivalry. A bunch of characters working together effectively and without issue doesn't make for much of a story, and conflict from within can be just as compelling as conflict from without.

Bery fair point.

9 hours ago, Diogenes said:

 

And as far as IDW Sonic's take on Amy, issue 2 was pretty good; a little verbal jousting between them, a bit of swooning on Amy's end, and some solid combat teamwork. They've clearly got a different dynamic than other characters, and one that's not entirely without tension. Past that she's been kinda dull, though; just being a reasonably competent leader isn't that interesting and it doesn't really play to her strengths. Though in fairness at this point they're juggling over a dozen characters and there isn't enough space to give any of them much focus, so maybe they'll do better once they're past this mess.

Yeah, I didn't really care for how Part 1(I forget the issue number) showed her, admittedly.

4 hours ago, StaticMania said:

Sonic Heroes' character fights are nothing but forced nonsense...

Nonsense that still counts, for better or worse.

But then again, isn't that the whole series from a conceptual level?

2 hours ago, I Love Sticks said:

There is a big difference though, the Freedom Fighters were everywhere in the main book even during the reboot, almost every issue, there was one where Sally was even in both stories and Sonic only in one of them (it's just one case though). The focus should be on game characters in my opinion. I do believe the Freedom Fighters were taking over in the reboot, while with Tangle and Whisper there is barely screentime for them, in fact I would say we haven't seen much of them. Besides, the focus should be on few characters, not a giant cast, so the pattern of having Sonic with an ally works really well, even though it gets repetitive, I admit, if you have fewer characters you can provide more attention and exploration to them. That's just my thought. Then there are fans who really dislike comic exclusive characters and would prefer a 100% game comic only, those are a lot more strict than I am, I would gladly welcome more comic characters and even the FFs in small doses.

The Freedom Fighters were in so much of the reboot because they were being reestablished in the context of the new world, provided a convenient ensemble framework for getting everyone around the Unleashed setting via the Sky Patrol, and to help provide a stronger sense of story development in the wake of SEGA revised mandates over the book.

The comic was definitely making steps to move away from using them so much both during and after the Shattered World Crisis, which unfortunately we didn't get to see much aftermath of.

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7 hours ago, I Love Sticks said:

There is a big difference though, the Freedom Fighters were everywhere in the main book even during the reboot, almost every issue, there was one where Sally was even in both stories and Sonic only in one of them (it's just one case though). The focus should be on game characters in my opinion.

There’s also a big difference in the Freedom Fighters literally taking all the screentime as you claimed and them simply being present a lot of the time, or admittedly most of the time as they actually are—either way, it’s disregarding the two or more game characters there often right next to them. Just because you see Sally or Antoine all the time, for example, doesn’t mean she taking all the screentime, and them being around doesn’t invalidate the screentime given Tails, Amy, and Cream, a fact which many of the FF critics consistently ignore in favor of bashing the others for being around. And once again, no they didn’t take up all the screentime in post reboot—the game characters had just as much screentime with them and in more than one case, such as Champions, they sat back and let mostly the game cast take centerfold. 

In a lot of cases, there were more of the game cast than the FF just as there were the otherway around. You have arcs with Amy, Mighty, and Ray, fighting alongside Sally, Big and Sonic fighting with Rotor and Antoine, I could go on. 

But I know people can tell the difference here and see that the Game characters aren’t forced aside just because the FF happen to be present with them. Folks upset about their mere presence are just being shallow about it, and I couldn’t care any less if they get bitchy because Sally got 20% of the focus compared to Sonic’s 60 and then the next decided to give her more before sitting herout the next.

I mean really, it’s understandable to see the game cast more in a number of ways. But what does simply being from the games have to do with judging them from those not from the games? Because that’s all people are doing here—they’ll talk a lot about, say Tails’s characterization,  but when it comes to Sally or Rotor the response is typically “They’re not from the games” characterization be damned. Tangle and Whisper aren’t from the games, and no one yet has spited them for that so this makes no sense.

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I do believe the Freedom Fighters were taking over in the reboot, while with Tangle and Whisper there is barely screentime for them, in fact I would say we haven't seen much of them.

A fair reminder that we’re barely ten issues in IDW where as Archie had almost 300 issues. That’s nowhere near enough for Tangle and Whisper to have as much a presence by comparison, but that doesn’t detract my point that these new characters are starting to gain focus no different to how Amy or Knuckles did early on despite not being from the games.

And your belief of them taking over doesn’t match with the reality of it. They were split evenly with the game cast post-reboot. I can go over individual issues and prove this: for every issue that had more of the FF than the game characters, there were issues where the opposite was true, one case being the very start of the reboot where they reintroduced the FF one by one while game characters like Sonic and Tails, and in one case Big had more screentime.

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7 hours ago, StaticMania said:

That was never a thing. Don't exaggerate the character's bad writing even more than it's already been.

For large part of the Dreamcast and Modern Era, that was the thing.

The only time that wasn't the thing was Sonic Adventure, Sonic Shuffle, and Shadow the Hedgehog.

Sonic and the Black Knight may also work but the true ending is debatable.

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2 hours ago, Conquering Storm’s Servant said:

I don’t think you’re actually reading what people are saying then, much less what I was saying.

Not on this site at least.

 

Sorry, but I've seen people who don't think Amy's obsessed at a drop of a hat.

 

Just now, Adamis said:

She did try to force into marriage in Sonic Heroes.

There's hardly any force in that fight if you look at how the other characters force people to do stuff,  it was really cute how Amy wanted to get Sonic's attention like that.

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22 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

it was really cute how Amy wanted to get Sonic's attention like that.

By trying to beat him and his friends up and knock them off a platform hundreds of feet in the air? You have a very strange definition of "cute".

And before you say Team Sonic did the exact same thing, it was self-defense. Sonic even says at the start of the fight, "Amy, knock it off! There's no time to play!" And that, by the way, is a perfect example of Amy's affections getting in the way of Sonic's mission to save the world.

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3 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

Ok, what is it then I can't read minds.

I literally told you the first time around.

Stop twisting words and you’ll be able to see what I’m telling you, because I’m not going to engage with you on whether Amy is obsessed or not when I know you’re going to ignore points as you’ve done to others already.

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6 hours ago, Adamis said:

And it's still in the story and it's canon. Amy did that, whether you like it or not.

Canon, ok? It's about as canon as any other example...I'm seeing a thing here that if the characters were given actual reasons to fight eachother it just wouldn't seem as stupid.

Is there even an "out of character" moment that people acknowledge besides Tails.

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