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1 minute ago, knuckles20 said:

How does it not make sense?

I’ve seen arguments about the characters who have originated from the comics are taking away screen time from characters who originated from the games. 

Even as someone who prefer the game characters, I find that to be a giant load because reading through the Archie series pre and post Genesis Wave I found the screen time balanced between the two groups.

Sure the brand has changed over the years but it doesn’t mean I don’t see it as a ridiculous argument.


That's kind of factually untrue. Upuntil ian got a hold of the brand, everyone who didn't already have a bunch of lore about them kind of wasn't seen much or didn't have much done with them. Remember that time Sega forced I think penders to use shadow , and even then they made it about knuckles's dad?

That criticism exists, for a reason

Also to be exceedingly blunt, it shouldn't be equal time for each group, the game characters should have way more time. Like now or in the reboot

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9 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:


That's kind of factually untrue. Upuntil ian got a hold of the brand, everyone who didn't already have a bunch of lore about them kind of wasn't seen much or didn't have much done with them. Remember that time Sega forced I think penders to use shadow , and even then they made it about knuckles's dad?

That criticism exists, for a reason

Also to be exceedingly blunt, it shouldn't be equal time for each group, the game characters should have way more time. Like now or in the reboot

And piss off the fans who have been following the Freedom Fighters?

How is this any different than critics of the games campaigning everyone but Sonic should be cut out?

Why is it impossible to balance time or mix the two groups of characters together?

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2 hours ago, knuckles20 said:

I’ll never understand the argument of the Freedom Fighters stealing the spotlight from the game characters, given how the FF were in the comic from the start.

 

Ya know, people usually want to cite exaggerated examples like that as an outlier...which it is. Bad writing at its worst, it's canon, it's not common.

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So, issue #10. Huge spoiler: Metal Sonic gets belly button piercing.

When talking about previous issue I said " I'm honestly concerned about next issue, because I don't think it can be as good as this one."

Long story short I was 100% right. There are at least 3 disappointments in this issue. 20 pages and plot moved forward exactly one step.

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Art is good, dialogue too (just smaller scale than last issue) bla, bla, bla. But what actually happened?

Remember how exited we were about Burning Blaze? Well, she's gone. I was bloody wrong about Metal going after her power, which would lead to epic Super Form fight. She burned some ship. Resistance isn't doing much better, they do what FF did in "Panic in the Sky". Fill space.

Remember that Shadow left on his own, so we though he's going to do something awesome to save the day?  Well, he actually help Metal Sonic get even stronger.

Remember how shocked we were that Metal Sonic transformed at the end of last issue? Well, Flynn though it was so effective twist, doing it twice would work even better. Because we all think that giant dragon was the coolest of Metal forms. NO IT WASN'T. YOU YOURSELF MADE FUN OF IT IN WORLDS COLLIDE. I'm sorry, but Super Metal was something new and exiting. Metal Overlord 2.0. is... well, 2.0. A repeat. Been there, done that.

Also, something is happening with Mr. Tinker. "Doc", huh? I swear, those Megaman crossovers are getting persistent. Ok, more realistically I'm guessing that:

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Nega is coming. We could assume real Eggman is kidnapping his phantom clone, but dialogue suggest otherwise.

Whoever it is, I kinda disapprove setting next story arc during the big finale like that. Loki didn't stopped in middle of invasion in Avengers 1 to have conversation with Thanos about Infinity Stones.

Again, it reminds me of "Panic in the Sky". Great first part, second issue is so much filler. Those mandatory 4-parters be damned.

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Can Vector and Tangle be a thing?!?! Their interactions were hilarious!!!

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Good to see Rough and Tumble again, building to their next altercation with Sonic

Another good solid issue after the last one, looking forward to the next one to see what happens next. The artwork was great and really flowed well with Evan and Tracey working together. 

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This was somehow better than 9, because that was more strategy and characters interactions oriented, this one had things happen, if you think about it:

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- The Egg Fleet getting off the island.

- The resistance fighting

- Super Neo vs Sonic and Knuckles

- Shadow making his mistake

- Neo's transformation

- And let's not forget Mr Tinker getting kidnapped by those skunk bros.

So all of this happened, that's a lot, plus Rough and Tumble talk about the "Doc", could Eggman Nega be finally joining the comics?

Shadow was the greatest, his reaction is totally Shadow, I was expecting that and I got what I wanted. Plus... What surprised me is that Neo had a brand new form: Master Overlord.

The art was good I thought, I still prefer Stanley and her precious fangs. But Yardley also did great.

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11 hours ago, knuckles20 said:

I’ll never understand the argument of the Freedom Fighters stealing the spotlight from the game characters, given how the FF were in the comic from the start.

 

I don't understand it because it's not true. If anything they had equal focus to say nothing of arcs that didn't even feature them.

I'd say it's more accurate to complain about the Echidnas and the Brotherhood taking focus from Knuckles since I don't recall Knux doing like anything in his own book. 

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You all can believe that.

I"m going to sit here with this comic that exists the way it is, literally because that happened the new comic is different because that happened. Also because of lawsuits, but also because that happened. Its not like it was so bad that even during crossoevers with capcom this happened, no no no. That totally didn't happen

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3 hours ago, DabigRG said:

So, there's a snippet of a panel where 

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Vanilla laying the teacher smackdown

floating somewhere.

 

Wtf?

Uh, which panel? 

Anyways, I liked this issue and it's the first one of the IDW comics that I got a physical copy of (Cover A).

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I'm really just...kinda rolling my eyes at this whole thing.

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Like half the issue is spent on the lower tier heroes and Blaze taking out grunts and none of it feels like it matters. It never feels like the heroes are in any danger, it doesn't feel like a meaningful victory against Metal, it's just like, everyone gets an action pose or two, good job. They even blew the series' first "super" form on this.

The fight with Metal isn't really much better. Super Neo Ultra Turbo Metal Deluxe is clearly more than Sonic and Knuckles can handle but it doesn't really feel like he's decisively so. Or at least, it feels like he's hitting hard at the start of the issue, but when we cut back to this fight it all feels weak; the heroes no longer look visibly hurt or even tired, and the only clear hit we see is him backhanding Knuckles, and that doesn't feel like enough for them to be down and for Metal to start gloating.

And then Shadow deus ex machinas his way into a combo on a guy Sonic and Knuckles together couldn't even touch. I don't know if they meant for Shadow's Chaos Spear (which is now a melee weapon rather than a projectile for some reason?) to cancel Metal's super form or if Metal had a Mecha Sonic style time limit and he just happened to run out or what...it just feels kind of cheap. Small amount of credit for this ultimately making things worse rather than solving the problem, at least.

And then we've got Metal Overlord again. Or Master Overlord apparently. Whatever, it's the same thing, we've already done this before. Super Neo Metal was goofy but at least it wasn't literally just Heroes again. It's not even like this is an entirely new continuity that's just "coincidentally" doing something like Heroes, Heroes legit already happened in IDW Sonic's backstory, but I'm still supposed to care about everyone fighting Metal Overlord again. And what is with these conditions he apparently needs to transform? Not that it made a whole lot of sense in Heroes, but I at least thought the Chaos data was most responsible for the giant dragon transformation because Chaos turned into a giant dragony thing. But what part of Sonic and Shadow's data and the Master Emerald equals trash dragon? 

The scene with Eggman is fine I guess, setup for a future storyline, sure. But if this is supposed to lead into Nega then fuck that. We are already in the middle of a storyline with a "fake" Eggman. We don't need another when the real Eggman has yet to do jack shit in the comic so far.

 

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9 minutes ago, Diogenes said:

I'm really just...kinda rolling my eyes at this whole thing.

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Like half the issue is spent on the lower tier heroes and Blaze taking out grunts and none of it feels like it matters. It never feels like the heroes are in any danger, it doesn't feel like a meaningful victory against Metal, it's just like, everyone gets an action pose or two, good job. They even blew the series' first "super" form on this.

The fight with Metal isn't really much better. Super Neo Ultra Turbo Metal Deluxe is clearly more than Sonic and Knuckles can handle but it doesn't really feel like he's decisively so. Or at least, it feels like he's hitting hard at the start of the issue, but when we cut back to this fight it all feels weak; the heroes no longer look visibly hurt or even tired, and the only clear hit we see is him backhanding Knuckles, and that doesn't feel like enough for them to be down and for Metal to start gloating.

And then Shadow deus ex machinas his way into a combo on a guy Sonic and Knuckles together couldn't even touch. I don't know if they meant for Shadow's Chaos Spear (which is now a melee weapon rather than a projectile for some reason?) to cancel Metal's super form or if Metal had a Mecha Sonic style time limit and he just happened to run out or what...it just feels kind of cheap. Small amount of credit for this ultimately making things worse rather than solving the problem, at least. 

And then we've got Metal Overlord again. Or Master Overlord apparently. Whatever, it's the same thing, we've already done this before. Super Neo Metal was goofy but at least it wasn't literally just Heroes again. It's not even like this is an entirely new continuity that's just "coincidentally" doing something like Heroes, Heroes legit already happened in IDW Sonic's backstory, but I'm still supposed to care about everyone fighting Metal Overlord again. And what is with these conditions he apparently needs to transform? Not that it made a whole lot of sense in Heroes, but I at least thought the Chaos data was most responsible for the giant dragon transformation because Chaos turned into a giant dragony thing. But what part of Sonic and Shadow's data and the Master Emerald equals trash dragon? 

The scene with Eggman is fine I guess, setup for a future storyline, sure. But if this is supposed to lead into Nega then fuck that. We are already in the middle of a storyline with a "fake" Eggman. We don't need another when the real Eggman has yet to do jack shit in the comic so far.

 

 

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But the Master Emerald contains Chaos, so that explains the dragon form.

 

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Yeah I'm pretty much echoing what @Diogenes said

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I was expecting Sonic, Shadow and Knuckles to just take on Super Neo instead of him turning into Overlord and doing Heroes again. I was sort of expecting that the way they would defeat him was that they were going to make him use up his super form sorta like how mecha sonic did in S3&K. But oh.

 

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5 hours ago, DabigRG said:

So, there's a snippet of a panel where 

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Vanilla laying the teacher smackdown

floating somewhere.

 

Wtf?

I...don’t recall seeing Vanilla anywhere in the issue.

 

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11 minutes ago, Marco9966 said:

But the Master Emerald contains Chaos, so that explains the dragon form.

In that case,

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What is the "limitation" that Metal no longer has, that Shadow expected would have prevented him from transforming? Everyone knew he had the Master Emerald and Sonic's data, and Shadow wasn't worried about Metal getting his data. If the Master Emerald could be used as a source for Chaos' data, then what sets this apart from what happened in Heroes? Was Tails' data essential to transforming too, or what?

 

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Honestly I would have been annoyed if Metal had the old transformations again, but these are unique, they are brand new and they pay homage to Super Mecha Sonic and Metal Overlord. It's not Heroes again, I don't recall seeing Angel Island in that, and I don't recall having Super Sonic here. I would also been annoyed if Metal didn't have his final form and played his trump card so early.

 

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Just now, Diogenes said:

In that case,

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What is the "limitation" that Metal no longer has, that Shadow expected would have prevented him from transforming? Everyone knew he had the Master Emerald and Sonic's data, and Shadow wasn't worried about Metal getting his data. If the Master Emerald could be used as a source for Chaos' data, then what sets this apart from what happened in Heroes? Was Tails' data essential to transforming too, or what?

 

 

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Perhaps Shadow thought that only Chao can be used for Chaos data, not thinking that the Master Emeralds also has Chaos in it.

OR Metal took Biolizard or Black Arms data from Shadow to turn into a dragon form.

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16 hours ago, knuckles20 said:

And piss off the fans who have been following the Freedom Fighters?

How is this any different than critics of the games campaigning everyone but Sonic should be cut out?

Why is it impossible to balance time or mix the two groups of characters together?

I think it would be better if Satam characters and archie had their own alternate universe that is separated from game characters and lore . game characters have their own comics and FF/Satam characters have archie comics .

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23 minutes ago, Gumbit said:

I think it would be better if Satam characters and archie had their own alternate universe that is separated from game characters and lore . game characters have their own comics and FF/Satam characters have archie comics .

But the Archie comics started out as that alternate universe. Right from the jump it was largely an alternate universe with its own characters a lure that was seperate from the games. It was clear from the start that this space was reserved for this alternate lure and was only tied to the games by the loosest of threads. It wouldn't be until years later, that the Sonic games focused on enough of a cohesive story for people to start expecting the comics to reflect the game canon to a larger extent.

 

The Archie comics were designed to be a cohesive environment with the FF from day 1. As time went on, I feel like they did an admirable job adapting to the times and bringing in more game elements/characters - but in the end that just isn't enough for some people who came over after inception and shook cages to change it to what we see today. The comics were never supposed to be very reflective of the games... until they were.

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50 minutes ago, Gumbit said:

I think it would be better if Satam characters and archie had their own alternate universe that is separated from game characters and lore . game characters have their own comics and FF/Satam characters have archie comics .

Except 1) the FF/Satam are owned by Sega, who 2) pulled the lisence from Archie meaning Archie can’t make an alternate universe for them.

And I frankly don’t see how that would be better when folks who like these characters like them with the game characters, much less the lore they built with them. Separating them isn’t going to make that better—shit’s already fucked with the games doing just that with Classic and Modern Sonic having a wall between, and one would figure to have learned from that case alone that separating things like that only makes it worse off for other fans invested in this franchise when that isn’t necessary nor is it addressing the problem (whatever that may actually be in this case—“the Freedom Fighters existing” is less a problem than it is another out of many cases of downright pettiness).

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