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52 minutes ago, Dash Speed said:

You know I'm so depressed with the smash news, I'll take some positive news about Shadow in this comic over nothing in other video games. I guess I overestimated how beloved Shadow was enough to star in a triple a nintendo title with sonic as a cast, you know he's been hyped but I felt it was nothing but unfounded. Shadow just isn't a high priority in Sonic anymore, to the point I think Iizuka doesn't care about him compared to Sonic nowadays.

Anyway spoilers,

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I'm glad that Shadow help Sonic and Knuckles turn the tide of the fight against metal. And I'm certain Rouge and Amy both hyped Sonic and Shadow respectively in their own conversation. Shadow making a mistake is honestly refreshing, he can have the ability to do stupid stuff but at least he made up for it by teaming up with Sonic and Knuckles.

You realize it's Sakurai who has the final say on who gets in right?

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Just now, Kuzu the Boloedge said:

You realize it's Sakurai who has the final say on who gets in right?

Didn't Sakurai say Sega had the say so on who gets in the game, if not then Sakurai has no love for Sonic outside of the title character.

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1 hour ago, Dash Speed said:

Didn't Sakurai say Sega had the say so on who gets in the game, if not then Sakurai has no love for Sonic outside of the title character.

He's not obligated to appease every single fan request. Get over it and move on 

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1 hour ago, Kuzu the Boloedge said:

You realize it's Sakurai who has the final say on who gets in right?

I'm talking about it to someone in the smash thread, and on another site

This might be on sega. 

Even still , it sucks but dash speed probably shouldn't be bringing this into the iDW thread?

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12 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

I'm talking about it to someone in the smash thread, and on another site

This might be on sega. 

Even still , it sucks but dash speed probably shouldn't be bringing this into the iDW thread?

Im not bringing it. The issue had Shadow in it, but I felt it was also appropiate to bring Shadow non inclusion in smash the very day this issue came out.

32 minutes ago, Kuzu the Boloedge said:

He's not obligated to appease every single fan request. Get over it and move on 

Not fan request, the Sega request. Or maybe Sega has no real care other than Sonic as a playable character

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20 minutes ago, Dash Speed said:

Im not bringing it. The issue had Shadow in it, but I felt it was also appropiate to bring Shadow non inclusion in smash the very day this issue came out.

Not fan request, the Sega request. Or maybe Sega has no real care other than Sonic as a playable character

....let's just talk about that in the SSMB thread, okay? 

While it may be related, being upset about it will bring counter-arguments and reactions related to Smash, which is off-topic here. 

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11 hours ago, MetalSkulkBane said:

No, no, no, noooooooooooooo. I'm tired of this 'it'll get better later; excuse. That's exactly the way companies suck money out of our pockets.

And read your post again. Here is what you wrote.

Person A: Geez, the plot is disappointingly repetitive.

Person B: Yes, but that's what was in previous issues as well, so we should accept it. And if we obediently eat it up then maybe, just maybe, we'll get something better later.

Even if that's true (IDW TMNT was embarrassingly slow at first and got better), I'm still annoyed.

OK, few more thoughts about issue

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1) I do hate how characters need to talk about everything. Last time they needed to loudly explain that Blaze will go Burning, and this time they warned us that Shadow will join the fight with Metal, in both cases diminishing the surprise.

It's as if Flynn said "Well, most of the readers guesses that anyway, so might as well confirm it".

2) So apparently Metal going Overlord has a 'recipe'

Neo Metal + power(Sonic x Shadow x Chaos data {froggy or ME belly button piercing}) = M.... Overlord.

I kinda assumed the recipe is Power + More Power + Even More Power. I won't loose sleep over it, but it really renders going Super meaningless.

3) And just not to be the grump and say something positive... well, fights do look really sweet. Shadow beating Neo has a nice efficiency/brutality to it. Does Shadow actually shoot laser(fire blast) from his shoe on last panel or is it just strong kick? Former would be cool. (just wish it was slightly longer. If Metal countered at least one blow it would make punch-out more satisfying).

 

"Person B: Yes, but that's what was in previous issues as well, so we should accept it. And if we obediently eat it up then maybe, just maybe, we'll get something better later."

Not saying that, what I am saying is that, once baseline established we can start doing crazy shit with the baseline. Hopefully. If you don't like it, don't buy it. I'll still tell you don't buy issue 6. But understanding what the author and the company behind the author wants to do isn't eating it up, its just understanding the possible bigger picture. 

I don't know if this was ever confirmed, but I think remember the explanation for the fire coming out of shadows boots is him just chaos boosting himself forward. I mean he's shot blasts out of his hands, its not unfounded. 

 

 

3 hours ago, Marco9966 said:

This is Ian Flynn's response when asked about Master Orvelord:

What do you think ???

That's how writers should be. Ian ain't perfect but his professionalism is one of the reasons I love the man. He writes stuff because he knows he has a job, and has fans outside of himself. And a writer/artist/ whoever who can apply that to their craft is fantastic. 

Otherwise you would get Writer based favoritism, and shitting on depending. And I am very familiar with the latter, marvel is just starting to apologize kind of for what they did to the x-men and moreso cyclcops. And I don't even like cyclops but the head writer and some others just decided cyclops was bad and tried to make him bad ( I mean they failed and it actually made him popular an a meme came out of it ). 

The point of that ancedote is, write favoritism in the positive and negative direction is bad. And you can sit there and pretend it might not happen to your character, but it could happen to your character and it will suck because the writer just hates your character. 

So I, personally, would prefer people who can actually be professional. This is ontop of , sega's probs talking about what should or shouldn't be used ( though he said they were more lenient on more overarching stories ) 

3 hours ago, Zaysho said:

Even when it was kind of slow year one, I thought TMNT was a lot more interesting than Sonic's first year. Better plot and overall pacing to move the story along per issue, with at least one new thing happening to help with that (Sonic's been a little samey for me, but in fairness, TMNT was also supported by its Micro-Series really early on). I feel like we could drop at least three or four issues from this current run and the story would remain intact while moving at a better pace (I'd say mostly #2-4 since I can't remember what happened in what issue after that, other than Metal Sonic in #7).

Bums me out that Ian's plotting here hasn't hooked me; it reminds me a little too much of the Archie book's last year (main book anyway) and stuff like "Mega Drive"; we get great characterization, dialogue, and art, but the plot feels repetitive and like it's not really progressing. "Battle for Angel Island" actually seems like it's going to make up for that somewhat, but once this arc ends, I can't see myself keeping up with this book outside of the occasional trade--which might be an overall better format than the monthly.

This isn't just a response to you but @MetalSkulkBane bane and a few others that had similar opinions , but I feel like this is the fault of the brand and starting a new book. There was one of 3 ways for this story to go and they were all called out like day 1. And it looks like it might be a combination of 2 of the 3, but it still falls in line with what was predicted. And why was it so predictable and seem so slow? Because sonic doesn't have any other villains they are keeping around, and its super early in the book so they couldn't make one or make a mystery around it that long and involved because I feel like a lot of the sonic fanbase might not care for that in year one. 

Now if it continues past this point, we will have issues. But I feel like its just the format and the brand. I'm sure there be faster paced more exciting and mysterious stories in the future with villains we can't guess immediately. Or if they guessed its like a Shadow and Knuckles situation where the point is them hanging out and becoming friends rather than the villian itself. 

I'm just gonna give it time

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4 hours ago, Marco9966 said:

This is Ian Flynn's response when asked about Master Orvelord:

What do you think ???

Well duh. I mean I think this is just the obvious response. 

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2 hours ago, Eerie-Ernest-Panda said:

He also kept using Scratch, Grounder and Coconuts as well as introduced Breezie in Archie even though he doesn’t care for AoStH iirc.

Ian doesn't write specifically for himself but for the fans. 

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I really hate how Shadow is forced to be written more like the light hearted cast in order for him to fit in. Shadow so far is the opposite of his mature sonic 06 self and his sa2 charismatic self.

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1 hour ago, Dash Speed said:

I really hate how Shadow is forced to be written more like the light hearted cast in order for him to fit in. Shadow so far is the opposite of his mature sonic 06 self and his sa2 charismatic self.

What? Did we read the same issue? It's not mature, okay, but definitely not light hearted, it' just... Shadow being Shadow.

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13 minutes ago, Marco9966 said:

What do you guys think about the Master Overlord transformation? Do you think we'll see Super Sonic fighting him next?

I don't like it, I would have preferred a more focused, smaller final form (not Super though), but bonus points for it being unique and not just Metal Overlord again. No Super Sonic, I don't see any Chaos Emeralds, plus they said "everyone" fights him, so they'll defeat him together, with the "real super power of teamwork"!

Plus, I'm convinced Metal is defeated at the end of next issue...

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1 hour ago, Marco9966 said:

What do you guys think about the Master Overlord transformation? Do you think we'll see Super Sonic fighting him next?

I honestly think it's a massive step down from Super Neo.

Like I said before, the reason Metal turning Super was so brilliant wasn't the fact that it calls back to 3&K, but because it shows Metal realized what a game-changer Super Sonic has always been and decided to take that unstoppable force for himself.

Metal Overlord failed because it made Metal a much bigger, slower target. And since Master Overlord (Which is a pretty dumb name, if I'm honest. I get the Master Emerald motif, but out of context, it sounds like the most redundant title ever and doesn't even indicate that it's a Metal Sonic form) seems to be stationary and has the M.E. exposed, Metal might as well be wearing a neon sign that says, "HIT ME HERE"

To be frank, as much as I respect Ian as a writer, I think he kinda dropped the ball in this issue, between the baffling decision to throw away a literal golden opportunity in favor of a much less interesting callback, and Shadow pulling a literal Deus ex Machina to eliminate said opportunity.

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9 hours ago, I Love Sticks said:

What? Did we read the same issue? It's not mature, okay, but definitely not light hearted, it' just... Shadow being Shadow.

Oh god, I'm sorry I don't want to do this.

Technically he's actually super right

Shadow is being written differently , here and in issue 6. Obviously here is way better, but he's right. I'm not going to say shadow is the most mature person all of media ever, he isn't by anymeans. But a shadow after 06 feels like he would have been around to at least listen to why  the people were doing the stuff before he bounced. And silver is here so.... some of that had to have occur internal retcon or no.

That said, I believe the reason why here is a alot better than I believe he was written weird in issue 6. Ian Flynn is a guy who likes to uh... explain things. This is the main who turned some of the things I hated into really cool stuff by just applying some form of universe internal logic to it ( More thought than sonic team put in some of these things ) , and I feel like this is him doing this with sonic forces. In Sonic forces, shadow just vanishes for 6 months with no explanation only for him to come back to kick himself in the face, and then they never explain it. Now obviously the reason this happened is because , the game was unfinished/didn't turn out the way they wanted and this like many things are leftovers from a different game and story.

So I feel like this is just a means for Ian to explain that, and I'm ok with it if that's the case? Because it feels like its just shadow's personality stretched in a slightly different pretty interesting direction. This direction could lead into a bad place, but I feel like Ian is competent enough and has displayed how to do it correctly. Justified hubris, now shadow fucked up, he fucked up big time. But if the DNA copy thing for whatever reason just wasn't working today... shadow would have bodied that man. So its seems like at least for now they are moving from introspection and self doubt being the flaws with shadow's character and more so a social disconnect. He's going to take it upon himself to solve the problem because he knows what he can do, not considering the other possibilities or people. And I think this could be an interesting turn.

Does this fix the other plot holes in forces around shadow like

  • Where did he actually go
  • Why didn't he call rouge and by doing that would alert her these are copies thus solving the mystery before sonic even got beat up
  • Why didn't he just punch infinite in the face again

Now the answers to these questions are large plot holes and not wanting shadow's existence to fuck up the plot. But in universe there is no answer, and I don't think Ian can or wants to answer any of them...Well he might wanna answer the first one , one day. But yeah. But what He can do, is create a shadow that seems like he would vanish for month and not tell anyone even though they are in dire straits because he's working a lead or something.  Again, that doesn't fix those plot points, it does add interesting layers to his characters.

I don't think the sadness and introspection will be replaced by this , I think introspective shadow will show up when if that whisper vs shadow thing ever plays out. But Yeah

Technically Dash speed is right

Its just a totally fine change of character

 

 

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I enjoyed it. Sure it was a lot of fighting and Burning Blaze sadly didn't last long but I enjoyed all the showcasing of everyone and the interactions between them. 

Plus I loved the little tidbit with Mr. Tinker getting kidnapped. Could the Doc be Eggman Nega? If so it'd be an interesting turn. 

So yeah I liked it. 

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Just now, PublicEnemy1 said:

Do tell.

It's more of an initial impression thing, but If this is indeed

Spoiler

Dr. Nega(who hails from the same future Silver comes from)

who got the Skunk Bros to fetch him the currently amnesiac Eggman after the events of Forces(and by extension, Mania), we could see him

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reconsider his opinion of him

a  bit.

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