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Alright, so instead of giving the Team Sonic Racing comic a serious review I'm just gonna read it right now and give commentary on what I'm reading as I go. I'll probably end up going nitpick theater on it for fun because of that. Never really done this before but it's the perfect time to test it out.

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Narrator: Driving cars fast enough to entertain even Sonic.
I'm sure Sonic finds entertainment in things other than just going fast. Can't you see him playing basketball, playing cards, lounging at the beach, and playing video games with his buddy? I'm sure you can.

Knuckles: Sonic and Shadow are off in their own little world in their SPEED TYPE CARS (trademark restricted copyright) but we've gotta make sure to win, too!
Tails: Right, we've got the TEAM SCORE to think about!

It's like Tails and Knuckles both forgot the rules so they're secretly trying to scream what they think the rules are at each other in the hopes that it'll come off as natural and organic conversation between the two. Thinking about it that way makes it funny.

Knuckles: HNGH! I can handle Omega, in my POWER TYPE RACER!
Just making sure this is a POWER TYPE RACER. Everybody got that?

Omega: Bring the pain protocols initiated
That's still funny.

Knuckles: I'm counting on you to outwit Rouge with your TECHNIQUE-TYPE-CAR-SKILLS!
Alright, this one kind of broke me a bit. No one talks like this. Reading that in my head hurt. Saying that out-loud almost made my tongue trip over itself. I don't buy that primitive Knuckles said that completely straight on his first try.

Tails: I've noticed everyone's car has a unique slipstream. I think that's the key to using kinetic contact to our advantage.
That actually sounded like it could be something Tails would naturally say. Probably because it's structured in a way that makes it seem like he's discovering something or figuring something out rather than just blurting out what type of model his car is, like a dork. "YO! This is MTV CRIBZ! CHECK OUT MY WORKSHOP IN MYSTIC RUINS! I've got the snazziest plane and the bestest TECHNIQUE-TYPE-CAR-SKILLZ!"

Eggman: No! I'm totally here as a special guest!
Dodonpa: Sure. Why not?
Eggman: Er...
*Sonic giggles*

Okay. That was funny too actually.
Also, two things that I find humorous. One, this comic seems to be the first official "reveal" of Eggman and his car in this game. (we saw Eggman in one of the latest trailers but he's only mildly visible when the footage is slowed down). Two, it would seem as though Dodonpa and Eggman aren't actually one in the same... which is interesting. Seeing them away from one another wasn't enough to convince me but I can't imagine Eggman would willingly put himself down like that if he was pulling the strings behind this dude. Also, his name being the literal move that Tao Pai Pai, Tien, and Chiaotzu use still kills me.

Eggman: Vehicle, schmehicle! Wisps are where it's at! Gimmie!
Eggman is a fan of the wisps but we knew that already, if Colors wasn't a strong enough indication. Interesting still that he hasn't assembled a team yet too. Call me crazy but I'm starting to enjoy this comic.

Eggman: Yes! Cheating RULES!
PFFFFT~!

Sonic: What's with this guy? It's like he wants Eggman to win...
Is it? Eggman doesn't have a team. Providing more wisps to compensate for that seems like a bit of a fair trade. Maybe he just wants to make the Eggster a competitor because it would entertain him more. Also, Shadow called him a "Space Tanuki". Excellent. Boy howdy, the writing suddenly got a lot better after the clunky game manual exposition stopped. Go figure.

Sonic: Good thing I'm always one step ahead!
Shadow: In the case, I'm two steps ahead!

Look at Goku and Vegeta. Going at it again.

Eggman: I sure am glad you wisps aren't holding a grudge for that time I corrupted your entire species. To be honest, I can't even remember what all of you do. But I'm a scientist, by golly! Experimenting is my whole deal!
I love this fat bastard. 

Rouge: Think we can put out differences aside and focus on taking down our mutual robot-making foe?
NO! It's the Transformed comic all over again! Don't focus on just one dude! You're racing against both teams! I know it's Eggman and he's a jerk but come on! Emulate the game! Don't just throw the rules at us and ignore the actual interesting part about what makes it fun. Granted it was worse in the Transformed comic because that didn't even have the Team gimmick as an excuse but still...

Shadow: I'll be passing you next, Sonic.
Good. Please, fight each other. 

Rouge: Hm. Tails is acting almost as crafty as me. What do you think he's up to?
Omega: ELIMINATE EGGMAN!
Rouge: *Sigh*

Omega, you're the best and I love you. Please show up more often.

Amy: Let's stop Eggman!
NOOOO! Fight each other! COME ON! This is a race! You still lose if your team doesn't place! Who cares about Eggman? He doesn't even have a team! Work with your own team to move past him if you feel it's necessary but the point calculation at the end is only going to matter the most so long as he isn't literally in first.

Blaze: Monetary rewards are beneath a princess. I live to mete out justice.
...? Then why the fuck are you here?

Vector: Eggman's not getting away with this. I want Dodonpa's prize money!
Well that was obvious. I didn't even wait for the story details before guessing that was Vector's motivation and drawing up that parody comic about why Espio and Charmy went to Twinkle Park instead. I'm also guessing Vector thinks this race is the one that'll grant the winner the prize money... so sure.

Silver: All I want is a peaceful tomorrow...
...? ... Thanks for that... illuminating summary of your character Silver. Yeah, Silver and Blaze don't seem to have much of a reason for being here aside from popularity. At least GIVE them a reason though. If you're gonna replace Vector's employees you're also gonna need to substitute their motivations... 

Vector: I'm glad you radioed, Tails. We were getting bored waiting for the next race.
Wait. WAITWAITWAITWAIT! So you're not even supposed to BE racing right now? So... YOU'RE cheating too right? Isn't that what that means? We gotta stop Eggman from cheating... TIME TO CHEAT! Tails, you really are the Riddler.

Silver: Yes... Fun.
... Are you... not having fun Silver? It... doesn't seem like you want to be here...?

Eggman: Hm. So, Sonic and Shadow totally passed me... and I'm completely surrounded by enemies. Ah well. I'm sure it'll work out.
*Disappointed Tails face*

I LOVE YOU EGGMAN! You're so fucking good! You're too good for this world goddammit. I prefer this to the Transformed comic where all he did was get MORE angry.

Dodonpa: Oh, right. Blue hedgehog and black hedgehog... I wasn't really paying attention.
This guy is interesting. I like him. 
 




 

INTERVIEW SECTION!

Derek: We worked closely with SEGA to develop this mode, especially to answer all the questions we knew fans would be asking, such as: why would Sonic choose to drive a car when he can run even faster? You'll just have to play Team Sonic Racing to find out!
It's because it's against the rules to not be in a vehicle during a vehicle based competition. Nevermind answering obvious shit. Why is Knuckles off racing? Why did Vector leave his team behind? Why is Blaze here? HOW is Blaze here? Why is Silver here? HOW is Silver here? Why do neither Silver or Blaze seem like they have an actual motivation to be here?

Derek: Sonic Heroes was obviously an inspiration-it's why our teams consist of three characters, as well as our inspiration for some of our team lineups.
 If by "some" you mean "two" than you're right. I'd have left the Sonic Heroes teams as they were and just put the Chao racer with Silver and Blaze personally. 

Derek: Trying to pick our favorite characters and locations was a big early challenge, because there are so many to choose from! This caused lots of arguments in the office!
Employee 1: What sense does it make to have Vector be on a team with Silver and Blaze?
Employee 2: Where ELSE would he go!
Employee 3: I want to put in Rooftop Run and Planet Wisp!
Employee 1: You mean the assets from Generations that Sonic Forces DIDN'T use?
Employee 3: Let's put in Seaside Hill!
Employee 1: AGAIN!? It's been in every Sonic racing game we've done! What is that OUR Green Hill Zone or something?
Employee 4: Also another asset from Generations that Forces didn't use.
Employee 3: Ah but Espio mentioned Seaside Hill in Forces, so it counts.
Employee 2: Who's Espio?
Employee 3: Espio is one of Vector's teammates from the Chaotix?
Employee 2: VECTOR HAS TEAMMATES?!?!?!?!

Derek: During races your teammates and rivals can talk to you over your 'Team Comms' system, for which we recorded over 5,000 lines of dialogue.
Holy... a-are all of those going to be IN the game...? I mean, I'd assume so, probably, but... Jesus. That's a lot. If they're all in the game, at least the game will have a lot of something.

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12 hours ago, Dejimon11 said:

Given how people feel about Pontaff that sounds like a bad thing

From what i’ve observed of it, this writing is even worse than Pontaff...

 

But it’s still nice to get some story information on the delayed TSR. Eggman has no team? Is he a sixteenth character, or are there two more solo entry characters? And Jade Ghost is an interesting concept for the fourth Corrupted Wisp. This one having become a sickly pallid green, rather than purple or black. Plenty of room for speculation.

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2 hours ago, Miragnarok said:

From what i’ve observed of it, this writing is even worse than Pontaff...

Definitely at the beginning when they were speaking like they were reading from an instruction book but when they knocked that shit off, I was getting into some of the dialogue a lot more. Namely from Eggman, Omega, and Dodonpa. 

This guy is growing on me. He's like a slightly less eccentric Grandmaster from Thor Ragnarok. Only you can tell he's totally getting off on all the danger from the races. His interest in Sonic and Shadow just faded away at the very end when he was observing Eggman and the way he blew up. 

If the writing in the game lives up to what I'm seeing snippets of here (which there's a chance it might not) I'll probably come away from this really liking his character. If anything this kind of personality is more interesting to me on a surface level than someone like Infinite. 

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Remember that scene where everyone attacks Eggman? According to interview everyone got wisp matching their personalities. That tells me 3 things

1) Vector didn't picked Magenta (music note) and that's just wrong.

2) Should I be worried that Omochao picked bomb? At least Void wouldn't make me image Omo preparing terrorist attack.

2) Leave it to Big to pick invisibility, A.K.A. only non-offensive Wisp. For all we know Big could won the race and no one saw it.

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Regarding the decisions made for the story of the TSR tie-in comic...  Well, the game itself has a story mode; and I assume that will also make an attempt to explain why all the characters are around and what the point of it all is.  So my suspicion is that the writer of the adaptation wasn't given access to the game story and indeed was specifically told not to touch on those issues, because they'd be covered in the game instead.  All that really leaves is talking about the game mechanics and basic character interaction.

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2 hours ago, Marco9966 said:

Some people on reddit also gave their opinion of the comic:

Other than that, here is a repost of issue 12's cover because the last post didnt show it:

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Sadly, after a conversation I've had in another about how Amy is supposed to be a Genki Girl seeing her boiled down to just excited isn't actually a negative to me. Honestly, just seeing her constantly cheerful and excited disposition was one of the highlights of the one shot for me.

Now that next month preview I don't have an answer to whether or not that is supposed to be the next issues cover, but I do know that is a sweet pic of Metal and that I'm mad that it's not in my digital copy on Kindle. I feel robbed honestly >n<

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1 minute ago, Sonic Fan J said:

 I'm mad that it's not in my digital copy on Kindle. I feel robbed honestly >n<

Me too, the real copies have all the variant covers printed in a page, but never in the digital versions

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2 hours ago, FFWF said:

Regarding the decisions made for the story of the TSR tie-in comic...  Well, the game itself has a story mode; and I assume that will also make an attempt to explain why all the characters are around and what the point of it all is.  So my suspicion is that the writer of the adaptation wasn't given access to the game story and indeed was specifically told not to touch on those issues, because they'd be covered in the game instead.  All that really leaves is talking about the game mechanics and basic character interaction.

That's about where I am at + I believe the dialog in the game itself might just not be that great

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This tie-in reminds me of the one for Sonic Dash.

Yeah, the dialogue is pretty weird and/or expository. Some work for what they are, but others are questionable. Would it be predictable to say Eggman has the best lines in this?

Also, it appears they were shown a full body render of Dodon Pa..

18 hours ago, VEDJ-F said:

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Actually, there were quite a bit more subtle hints towards the bigger picture than I thought there'd be. Like, yeah, there's the obvious explaining of the mechanics as a tie-in, but there are bit that more outside that scope, like; 

-The stuff going toward the abduction plot said in the solicit. We have Dodon Pa here studying racing like aliens studied human behaviour in any 50's B-movie, but then there's Big's remarks about being separated from Froggy again. Now, I'm going to go ahead and say that Big being abducted from Froggy is a bit more likely than Froggy going on a space run. 

-The fact that team Vector is clearly as non-functional a team as Free Riders' team Rose. They all have very different goals and are probably together because the rules stipulate teams.

Also, I like looking at the Wisp choices in the Sentai shot. Some are just matched based on colour (Tails' Orange Rocket, Knuckles' Crimson Eagle. Silver's Grey Quake), some are more for the thematic match (Blaze's Red Burst, Omega's Cyan Laser, Rouge's Purple Frenzy, the Chao's Black Bomb) and those that mean something else (Big's Jade Ghost, Amy's Blue Cube, Vector's Pink Spikes). Considering that was the writer's doing as well, that's a neat touch from him.

 

Jade Ghost?

18 hours ago, Dejimon11 said:

 

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Was anybody else shocked that Eggman was by himself the whole time and didn't have a team? 

 

 Not really. From what we can tell, his team probably consists of Egg Pawns, which to my knowledge have seldom had much in the way of dialogue.

 

7 hours ago, MetalSkulkBane said:

Remember that scene where everyone attacks Eggman? According to interview everyone got wisp matching their personalities. That tells me 3 things

 

2) Should I be worried that Omochao picked bomb? At least Void wouldn't make me image Omo preparing terrorist attack.

2) Leave it to Big to pick invisibility, A.K.A. only non-offensive Wisp. For all we know Big could won the race and no one saw it.

Ch'yeah! :lol:

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I thought it was a fun enough read. Some of the dialogue was a bit weird, but otherwise about what I expected for a tie-in. I loved little moments like Shadow getting so into his and Sonic's little race (Accentuated by Adam Bryce Thomas' fantastic artwork and expressions) and Omega being distracted by revenge-mania at Eggman's presence. I hope the Team Adventure Mode in the actual game goes further into some of the little relationships teased in the book. (Namely Team Vector's hodgepodge line-up and motivations.)

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Read it. Meh.

It didn't really inspire any strong emotions in me one way or the other. There were some chuckle worthy jokes and it's nice to get some insight into the character of Dodonpa. 

I don't know. It was fine. Not something I'll think about again most likely. 

3 out of 5.

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I read the Team Sonic Racing comic and I really liked it the characters didn't feel one dimensional at all and Amy didn't have to hold herself back like in that IDW book when she gets excited.  

 

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Let's talk about mandates. I think they're fucking stupid. They were bad enough in Post-Reboot Archie, but now they're even MORE strict. Not even Classic characters can be used. I understand Post-Reboot Archie because of Penders, but IDW has no excuse.

This is supposed to be a clean slate (which it kinda wasn't), and Ian is a highly trusted writer, why doesn't SEGA trust him with more creative freedom?

Remember in the very first IDW Sonic panel where Aaron Webber said that "no hard and fast rules will be thrown" and it's on a "case-by-case basis"? That was a goddamn lie, because like I said, IDW is on an even tighter leash.

I have a feeling the mandates are so strict is because SoJ is racist and doesn't like Americans working on their property, so they limit writers as much as possible. This claim isn't baseless, as SoA and SoJ have been fighting with each other since the 90's. It also gives that 4chan post some credence. (Yeah, I know Webber said it wasn't true, but it could be basic PR.)

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Honestly I don't really think they're as bad as everyone makes them out to be. 

Some if them are just regular quality control things like "Represent our brand properly" or "Don't make our mascot a blubbering mess".

I'll admit the "Classic characters can't appear" thing is a little odd but it isn't like the worst thing in the world IMHO.

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6 minutes ago, PublicEnemy1 said:

Let's talk about mandates. I think they're fucking stupid. They were bad enough in Post-Reboot Archie, but now they're even MORE strict. Not even Classic characters can be used. I understand Post-Reboot Archie because of Penders, but IDW has no excuse.

This is supposed to be a clean slate (which it kinda wasn't), and Ian is a highly trusted writer, why doesn't SEGA trust him with more creative freedom?

Remember in the very first IDW Sonic panel where Aaron Webber said that "no hard and fast rules will be thrown" and it's on a "case-by-case basis"? That was a goddamn lie, because like I said, IDW is on an even tighter leash.

I have a feeling the mandates are so strict is because SoJ is racist and doesn't like Americans working on their property, so they limit writers as much as possible. This claim isn't baseless, as SoA and SoJ have been fighting with each other since the 90's. It also gives that 4chan post some credence. (Yeah, I know Webber said it wasn't true, but it could be basic PR.)

Well, there is the live-Action film (even though you may not count it due to being sucky, which if anything is likely to ensure Sonic Team’s death-grip remains in place or even tightens to Nintendo levels of oppression)

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3 minutes ago, Miragnarok said:

Well, there is the live-Action film (even though you may not count it due to being sucky, which if anything is likely to ensure Sonic Team’s death-grip remains in place or even tightens to Nintendo levels of oppression)

I think at this point, Nintendo would be a lot more looser than SEGA. At least they have the balls to kill off their own characters (only if for a trailer or temporarily) and even let Mario have more emotions than Sonic (such as him crying with Bowser at the end of Odyssey).

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2 hours ago, PublicEnemy1 said:

I think at this point, Nintendo would be a lot more looser than SEGA. At least they have the balls to kill off their own characters (only if for a trailer or temporarily) and even let Mario have more emotions than Sonic (such as him crying with Bowser at the end of Odyssey).

I wouldn’t say “a lot”, because of the restrictions they put on the RPGs, and before the Mario animated film, all of their main series with strong alternate media outside of Japan-exclusive manga were second party. And SMA did have cartoony emotions on everyone, at least. 

 

(Didn’t include Boom because it was right before they got really strict)

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39 minutes ago, PublicEnemy1 said:

even let Mario have more emotions than Sonic (such as him crying with Bowser at the end of Odyssey).

>sonic can't have emotions

wipe this meme from the face of the earth

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Sonic's whole character is "cool, confident dude who never gives up". Simple as it is, that's still a character. He's not supposed to get overly emotional, and on the rare occasion he does it should have some impact.

The mandates are a meme. They've been exaggerated by fans over the years and turned into a kind of phantom used to deflect criticism. They do exist and some of them might seem a little limiting, but for the most part they're not THAT unreasonable for a licensed children's comic. They only become a problem if you tell stories that don't lend themselves to fulfilling those mandates. For instance, if you're going to write a comic where you can't imply that your main characters have aged (as was the case with the Archie reboot), then, I dunno, don't spend every issue doing flashbacks that include said main characters? Tell stories in the present?

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