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2 hours ago, Marco9966 said:

Guys, don't you feel not much has happened in these 240 pages? I feel more stuff happens happens in a 60 page french graphic novel.

Issue 1-8 were fine, but issue 9-11 doesn't have as much content

That's because this comic is full of pages with only 4 panel (french graphic novels have like 10 panels per page). Is this the case for all american comics?

There's too many wordless action scenes that could be compressed in smaller panels to make space for more panels. There's also too many double page spreads with one speech bubble, sometimes no speech bubbles at all.

Here's a side by side of a page from Sonic and a page from some french comics (The Campbells, Asterix, Zorglub), they have more panels, more action and more dialogue:

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This is a good Sonic page: more panels, more dialogue, also I feel the post-reboot Sonic comics also have this quality:

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Good observation there, marco. There is indeed a habit of starting and/or ending a comic with a dynamic splashpage, as well as more space being devoted to action scenes over having the story content play out.

And another reason why Issue 2 is probably still the best.

With that said, I think Sonic comics tend to be comparatively smaller than other comic as well, which may compound things.

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1 hour ago, Adamis said:

French comics, AKA bandes-dessinées, are different than American comics. Each have their own codes, their way of telling a story. Also, most US comics are meant to be sold monthly for a set amount of pages, whereas French comics are usually 48 pages long and are released on a less frequent schedule, some of them only comes out once a year. US comics are usually meant to be read in a short time, when French comics are meant to take more time to be red.

It also depends on the style of story that's being told. You have different formats, too, like comic strips (Garfield, Peanuts...) but it would be too long to explain here and it would derail the topic. Also, check out mangas, that are quite different too, but also use big panels (for most of them).

Just curious, but do you read US comics outside of Sonic ?

I read the walking dead, and that one too had much content.

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I would say that it's not just a question of "US vs FR", but also a question of different objectives of comic book. Here, the art, the dynamism is important too. Honestly, even if I love french comics (I basically grew up with them), I wouldn't say that their style is a great fit for what Sonic is. It's often pretty wordy, and lack the creativity in the layout that the Sonic Comic and a lot of other comic-book have. Yep, the Sonic comics have less content, but except in some case, they are often way more fun too look at. I mean, they are page with even fewer panels/word in some Sonic, but that are pretty memorable and fun (I would even said that many of the best pages of the comic book only have a few panels).

It's not a question of page number, and "number of stuff that happens". I feel that this impression is more related that they were more about reintroducing the global ambiance and the character, than telling a big story. I also feel that some page with only action are more related to that than the way the layout is done.

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4 hours ago, Marco9966 said:

Guys, don't you feel not much has happened in these 240 pages? I feel more stuff happens happens in a 60 page french graphic novel.

Issue 1-8 were fine, but issue 9-11 doesn't have as much content

That's because this comic is full of pages with only 4 panel (french graphic novels have like 10 panels per page). Is this the case for all american comics?

There's too many wordless action scenes that could be compressed in smaller panels to make space for more panels. There's also too many double page spreads with one speech bubble, sometimes no speech bubbles at all.

Here's a side by side of a page from Sonic and a page from some french comics (The Campbells, Asterix, Zorglub), they have more panels, more action and more dialogue:

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This is a good Sonic page: more panels, more dialogue, also I feel the post-reboot Sonic comics also have this quality:

Sonic-The-Hedgehog-2018-002-016.jpg

It really depends on the comics, cuz aside from each country havign different rules, each work may have different styles in writing/art. There's also what kind of story/genre they want to tell, and who the audience is.

Some use fewer panels, less words, use "show dont tell" and manage to get their point across without making the readers unsatisfied. Some use way too many panels, craming paragraphs of words in each one, and somehow prevent the reader from being overwhelmed. And others just fail to balance them out.

I think Sonic is eeeeeh okay for now. I agree it feels like they stretched the story a bit for issue 9-11, but the artwork is great.

 

 

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7 hours ago, Adamis said:

Just curious, but do you read US comics outside of Sonic ?

This is a question I'm always asking myself. Like not to be rude or anything but it really seems like a lot of Sonic comic readers only read Sonic comics because standard stuff like Annuals and blank variants seems foreign to most Sonic fans.

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6 hours ago, DabigRG said:

So, here's a thread talking about the hypothetical possibility of Cosmo being introduced in IDW. I was gonna spoiler that for intellectual safety reasons, but I think it'll be better if I simply link it.

I'm pretty sure they buried Sonic X almost as hard as Triple H with a golden shovel on other talent. If they for some reason out of the blue wanted that waste of space back, I'll go vegetarian for a week!

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3 hours ago, DabigRG said:

So, here's a thread talking about the hypothetical possibility of Cosmo being introduced in IDW. I was gonna spoiler that for intellectual safety reasons, but I think it'll be better if I simply link it.

I thought this was referring to the Archie comic from earlier this year at first and was greatly confused...

Though if the Freedom Fighters and AoStH characters are (potentially) off-limits I don’t see Cosmos being much different, even if Sonic Team were more directly involved in her creation, in the same way that Sticks likely won’t be appearing in much else,other than Boom.

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2 hours ago, DabigRG said:

So, here's a thread talking about the hypothetical possibility of Cosmo being introduced in IDW. I was gonna spoiler that for intellectual safety reasons, but I think it'll be better if I simply link it.

I'm sure Cosmo is in the same category as the FF, aka "either keep most of what creates the character, or don't bother including them".

Spoiler

Idk if it's worth introducing her as part of the cast if they can't include the whole "We're alien that came from a dying planet, all the men turned evil and is after the whole universe, all the women are dead" backstory which is already a lot of focus and storytelling. Also all the other aliens, planet eggs, etc...

 

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10 minutes ago, Rowl said:

Gosh... those Sonic feet are so weird. Why can't the draw them with real toes? Those blob feet look so unfinished. 

Because I'd assume, seeing as the views of Naoto Oshima imply he wouldn't even bother with it, that Yuji Uekawa (responsible for the modern redesigns and the design of Big the Cat and Tikal) couldn't find a style for the feet that worked.

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1 hour ago, Rowl said:

Gosh... those Sonic feet are so weird. Why can't the draw them with real toes? Those blob feet look so unfinished. 

Hey it's better than pointy toes. They can't wear regular sandals.

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The blobs are still gross as it looks like you broke their ankles or something. It blends too well into them, which is why the shoes are an absolute must for the designs to separate from their ankles and hide those....things. If anything it furthers my belief they wear shoes so they can actually run and move....as balance would be super difficult without toes. I just don't see any design benefit to them either. I'd mention Kirby as something but uh....those online images of him scare me....😨

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About the comic panel stuff, I don't think that's the problem, its the story. I mean ok sure issue 6 that was also kind of the problem. But for the most part its just the story. Take that one page that's literally tangle and the gang grappling back up to where rouge and amy are. That didn't need to be a whole page, it just screams to me there wasn't too much story thought out so they decided to do something fun with the page. Considering everyone who worked on this comic  ( well most folks ) worked on the previous one, they know how to do good page work and pack pages full of story ( sometimes too much ) there just wasn't alot of story and that is sort of where the issue likes. This year was very introductory, some introductions better than others... but it is what it is. And I guess they didn't wish to overwhelm readers, and I think that, on its face is a pretty smart idea. These comics seem to be going well, and I feel like having the main cast focus on a story you don't need much context for along with them mostly being characters people can identify helps that. So yeah I think its just story

Blob Statement: Blob feet look weird and gross and they should change it even mickey mouse went ahead and did that. That said I don't really care, my favorite character will most likely never be seen without shoes, because he's all edgy and stuff. Also I get the feeling shadow kinda has feet like eclipse or the rest of the black arms. My point being, It looks fucking gross, but I also give no shits

11 hours ago, DabigRG said:

So, here's a thread talking about the hypothetical possibility of Cosmo being introduced in IDW. I was gonna spoiler that for intellectual safety reasons, but I think it'll be better if I simply link it.

I don't think this is a good idea? Simply put  , cosmo has a very specific context and while yes character context can and will change as franchises live on, I don't there's much value in removing her from that. There's been new alien stuff introduced since she's gone, and i dunno her whole plot was that she was in dire straits and needed help. And there's only one book, I just don't think they are gonna upend that and send everyone to space to tell a slightly worse version of a story that was already not that great. Maybe if there more books thee could be something done?But now? Nah.

This is ontop of Sega making it clear, and Ian reiterating , sega likes to keep spin off separate. The only reason you had the FF's so long was old contracts, that's it. Much like the freedom fighters, Cosmo and her folks aren't really relevant to what they want to do with the franchise.

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About Cosmo: as a person who grew up with Sonic X... I'm 100% indifferent. She wasn't exactly gripping character and her romance with Tails was just sorta there

With that said I like her specie. Seedians are the most "Sonic" aliens this franchise ever had, and I'm counting Black Arms and Wisps. Also, it would be nice if name 'seedians' became canon, like Witchcart being called Wendy.

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On 1/3/2019 at 2:22 AM, Rowl said:

Gosh... those Sonic feet are so weird. Why can't the draw them with real toes? Those blob feet look so unfinished. 

Remember that Kirby meme where he had real feet? Here's a reminder:

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If Sonic characters had normal feet and toes it would look just as jarring and unsettling. The blobs aren't the most elegant design choice, but I'd take them over the alternative. Besides you'll never see Sonic characters without shoes so it really isn't that important.

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21 minutes ago, Mega said:

You guys are forgetting the far less terrifying cartoon animal paw option. :P

This, I think one of the artists uh... I think tracy just did a commission of sonic and tails walking to the beach, they had sandles , and had paw feet.Looked fine.

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5 hours ago, Maxtiis said:

...you'll never see Sonic characters without shoes so it really isn't that important.

We'll never see it, except for the times we've seen it over the years to the point where this discussion comes up quite often.

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Sheesh, such room temperature takes on the Sonic X thing.

On 12/31/2018 at 11:50 PM, Sonictrainer said:

Some fanart from IDW Artist Jennifer Hernandez

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Didn't mean to bump too many of these, but I just wanted to say I forgot how good NICOLE's New252 design was.

On 1/1/2019 at 9:14 AM, VEDJ-F said:

Nothing against OC cameos as a concept, I just don't like those OCs in particular. 

 

On 1/1/2019 at 9:32 AM, Shadowlax said:

Oh, ok. They were like in a bad fanfiction or something?

Not trying to suggest you are wrong just want context? Is this one of the scenario's where OC creator isn't the best person?

Yeah, what is it about them in particular that you don't like, if you don't mind us askin?

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