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2 hours ago, VEDJ-F said:

At no point were they supposed to be sandals. I think the issue is that the jump from classic to modern altered the shoe design in a way that became ambiguous to read. Classic Knuckles' shoes are more like yellow shoes with red heel and toe, as opposed to red shoes with a yellow stripe. 

Okay, I thought I remembered something to that effect, but just assumed Knuckles was the second least changed in the transition. Though I remembered something more in line with Tails' shoes.

And you are exactly right.

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2 hours ago, Marco9966 said:

Guys what was your favorite and least favorite issue and why?

I was just thinking about following @Sega DogTagz lead with a dip into that territory, but I guess I talk about this in its own right again:

Issue #2 Fallout Part 2

Issue #5 The Fate of Dr Eggman Part 1

Issue #7 Meet the New Boss

Issue #8 Silent Support

Issue #3 Fallout Part 3

Issue #9 The Battle for Angel Island Part 1

Issue #11 The Battle for Angel Island Part 3

Issue #4 Fallout Part 4

Issue #1 Fallout Part 1

Issue #10 The Battle for Angel Island Part 2

Issue #6 The Fate of Dr Eggman Part 2
 

 

 

 

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On 1/5/2019 at 11:37 AM, Marco9966 said:

Guys what was your favorite and least favorite issue and why?

Favorite - #2, I think—we’ve got great art, dialogue, and introduction to Amy with an actual arc happening as well.

Least favorite - I was gonna say #3, but I think it’s actually #8, because... I really don’t think it needed to happen. Of all the issues so far it easily feels the most filler-y to me.

 

(Also, for feet, I’d just give them something like this:)

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13 hours ago, Cuz said:

The red of Knuckles shoes blending in with the rest of him never really bothered me, it's actually pretty sound design-wise since he's not Sonic and you would rather draw attention to his fists and upper body...

Fair enough.

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On 1/5/2019 at 8:37 PM, Marco9966 said:

Guys what was your favorite and least favorite issue and why?

Fave:

Sonic IDW Issue 9, Whisper's introduction and entrance was executed really well , you get a sense of wanting to know more about her and the little details we get from then new character is all visual. and I really like it when the  comic book doesn't hold its readers hand. Art is great and Silver and Sonic's interaction was written really well and there is even some cute interaction between Silver and Whisper. Silver is also such a pure wholesome dork in this issue.

 

LEAST fave
Sonic IDW 3,
Rough and Tumblr just aren't that engaging to see nor do they seem like interesting characters , they remind me of the Deadly Six. (not a good thing) also the art is a bit lackluster in this issue. I cant really tell what it is, but it feels stiff. 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, Kellodrawsalot said:

 

LEAST fave
Sonic IDW 3,
Rough and Tumblr just aren't that engaging to see nor do they seem like interesting characters

 

They were mainly meant to be a pair of ruffian villains for the heroes to fight from time to time, with this introduction basically treating them as those bandit type characters you see in some anime.

With that said, one of the few problems I did have with this one is the fact that the two do seem a little interchangeable characterization-wise.

20 minutes ago, Kellodrawsalot said:

they remind me of the Deadly Six. (not a good thing)

 

I do get Zazz and a small bit of Zavok vibes from them, yes.

20 minutes ago, Kellodrawsalot said:

also the art is a bit lackluster in this issue. I cant really tell what it is, but it feels stiff. 

 

 

It kinda looks like an odd, licensed book based off Sonic Advance style art to me. 

There's also the fact that some of colors are either rather flat like markers or oddly shaded.

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2 hours ago, Kellodrawsalot said:

LEAST fave
Sonic IDW 3,
Rough and Tumblr just aren't that engaging to see nor do they seem like interesting characters , they remind me of the Deadly Six. (not a good thing) also the art is a bit lackluster in this issue. I cant really tell what it is, but it feels stiff. 

 

 

I think the problem is it's the first time Jen has inked her own work for a Sonic Comic so we got that weird bold inking. I honestly felt the art itself flowed pretty good from panel to panel and I'm fully in the minority here but I loved Heather's colors. They're so bright and vibrant.

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5 minutes ago, SBR2 said:

I think the problem is it's the first time Jen has inked her own work for a Sonic Comic so we got that weird bold inking. I honestly felt the art itself flowed pretty good from panel to panel and I'm fully in the minority here but I loved Heather's colors. They're so bright and vibrant.

Oh, I liked the brightness and generally style, too.

There were just a few moments where it looked it a little...sketchy.

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47 minutes ago, DabigRG said:

Oh, I liked the brightness and generally style, too.

There were just a few moments where it looked it a little...sketchy.

I hope she does her inks better in the annual or get an inker.

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Play Smash!

Someone asked about dinosaur anthros and proxies of Archie characters.

Interestingly Starline (like Tangle and Whisper) was designed around a game mechanic, and is apparently one part of a trio that would make that game mechanic influence more apparent when they show up..

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10 minutes ago, Cuz said:

Play Smash!

Someone asked about dinosaur anthros and proxies of Archie characters.

Interestingly Starline (like Tangle and Whisper) was designed around a game mechanic, and is apparently one part of a trio that would make that game mechanic influence more apparent when they show up..

I skimmed to that part, and you're right! In fact, he stated that those two other characters were meant to debut alongside Starline, but due to revisions, they had to be put on the back-burner for now. 

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53 minutes ago, Cuz said:

Play Smash!

Someone asked about dinosaur anthros and proxies of Archie characters.

Interestingly Starline (like Tangle and Whisper) was designed around a game mechanic, and is apparently one part of a trio that would make that game mechanic influence more apparent when they show up..

Yeah, while the specific characters may be gone, the character archetype remains. Like Dr. Zachary. Finitevus, Ix, and Starline all come from that basic idea.

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22 hours ago, Miragnarok said:

Yeah, while the specific characters may be gone, the character archetype remains. Like Dr. Zachary. Finitevus, Ix, and Starline all come from that basic idea.

Even better is that they still remain distinct despite the similarities and inspirations from one another.

Ix and Finitivus, for example, are both albino echidnas with great knowledge and power, and while they also have similar personalities, they have different agendas.

Ix wants to bring his Civilization back and re-start his world conquest, essentially more like Eggman but main for his people and has actual experience in ruling. Finitivus wants world destruction, “clensing it with fire” due to his disgust at how it’s become and seeks it to be reset.

Then their methods they go about matching with each until they diverge since they do a lot of manipulation involves their goals.

You can put these them in the same room and they’ll still differ among themselves due to their goals alone despite their similarities, but they still fit the same general character outline.

Starline seems to be more associated with Eggman than independent like Ix and Finitivus tho given that they care less about Eggman in their plans. Seems to almost add the spirit of an Egg Boss as well to set him apart.

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2 minutes ago, Conquering Storm’s Servant said:

Even better is that they still remain distinct despite the similarities and inspirations from one another.

It's almost like they were created for three different continuities & purpose and that the things they have in common are rather common tropes.

But yes, I agree. :smile: 

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6 minutes ago, DabigRG said:

It's almost like they were created for three different continuities & purpose and that the things they have in common are rather common tropes.

But yes, I agree. :smile: 

I mean, that’s kinda what I was emphasizing because I like that kind of distinction that makes them less like Expies. It makes the continuity irrelevant as they’re more independent of that—you can put them all in one place and they’ll still play within those strengths and purposes.

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5 minutes ago, Conquering Storm’s Servant said:

I mean, that’s kinda what I was emphasizing because I like that kind of distinction that makes them less like Expies. It makes the continuity irrelevant as they’re more independent of that—you can put them all in one place and they’ll still play within those strengths and purposes.

Even better!

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Okay, so this point I'm about to make is more or less irrelevant and might have been covered at this point by someone else, but I've been having some irked feelings in regards to the Sonic and Shadow scenario back in the early bits of IDW Sonic (Issue 6 methinks it was?), especially in regards to Sonic's counterargument to Shadow wanting to off Eggman.

Now being frank, Sonic winning the argument by default is to be expected since Sonic can't ever be allowed to lose face or lose a fight, and freedom and mercy is great and all that, and I doubt Shadow would ever be allowed to be in a scenario where his more brutal philosophy would be seen in the right without some major concessions or some kind of backlash attached to it, especially since plenty of people would whine about it being too dark and edgy despite the fact that it would be a logical route to consider in a number of cases.

That said, it honestly feels like a false equivalence to say that Shadow's attempt to destroy the planet was somehow the same as Eggman's attempts to conquer the world in the past, and thus Eggman should be allowed to go free since he no longer remembers anything about his past evil self (and if the recent comics are any indicator, DOESN'T want to go back to being that), for a number of reasons:

1) Difference in motivations.

While it's admittedly a bit ambiguous as to how responsible Shadow is for his actions in SA2 (at least in regards to the whole killing all of humanity, and how much of it was Gerald reprogramming his mind and how much of it was Shadow's own desire), it's at least clear that he committed his actions for the sake of vengeance for his loved ones. It was over the top and extreme to be sure, but it was at least something that could be interpreted in a sympathetic light.

Eggman is unambiguous in his desire to conquer and force everyone to love him (OR ELSE) in a world spanning empire, and everyone who denies him this is to be eradicated. There MIIIGHT be a sympathetic element in that he MIGHT be a lonely man at his core, and his narcissism is just him trying to get the love he desperately craves or something, but it's only hinted at best and generally never impacts the majority of his decisions otherwise.

2) Difference in what the characters do and feel about it.

Shadow after his plan is enacted and the ARK plummets seems to have some sense of regret or resignation about what's about to happen, but isn't willing to do anything about it until he's convinced that what he's doing is the opposite of his dead friend's desires, and that he's been manipulated by his creator. He ultimately tries to fix his mistake.

Eggman...tries to take over the world later on after he fails his current plan, and almost never reflects on his actions and the aftermath of the damage he causes, showing a lack of care about what happens except how it impacts his ego.

3) Difference is how the characters change because of it.

Shadow is ultimately trying to atone or at least try to live up to Maria's true desires, even if his methods are far from perfect and sometimes unnecessarily brutal.

Eggman doesn't give a fuck and keeps on being gleefully evil with only occasionally sparks of self-awareness or regret about something, and it's usually narcissistic in some fashion.

 

And even NOT taking the above aside, it's still a bothersome element just by the simple fact that JUST BECAUSE EGGMAN CANNOT REMEMBER RIGHT NOW AND IS GOOD RIGHT NOW AS MR. TINKER, DOESN'T MEAN HE CAN'T POTENTIALLY REVERT BACK OR END UP BEING FAKING IT ALL ALONG. Both Sonic and Shadow had good points on paper, but it's all brushed aside for the sake of making Sonic in the right (and ignoring how dickish it is for Sonic to bring up Shadow's faux pas the way he did), and resulting in a rather hollow resolution.

Now that said, there is a way I think it could have been resolved that would have at least satisfied both parties and still moved the plot along in a natural manner: Put the village where he's staying at under discreet surveillance by the Chaotix. This solves a few points that I've seen pop up in some other forum poster's reviews of the current story arcs:

1) Gives Mr. Tinker the chance to live his life peacefully (and since he apparently does remember who he was, but didn't want to return to that life), but keep an eye on him in case he shows signs of Eggman returning, or it turns out he was faking all along.

2) Reduces the amount of characters needed to focus on for the Angel Island Arc, thus allowing for more focus on the remaining cast and to expand on the OCs like Tangle and Whisper.

3) Ensures that the Chaotix are allowed to still have a relevant role while also putting more emphasis on their strengths, and also possibly allowing for interaction with Mr. Tinker before the kidnapping.

4) Allows for a more seamless transition to Dr. Starline and the Rough and Tumble kidnapping, and their attempt to bring Eggman back.

 

3 & 4 in particular are important, because having the Chaotix at the village would allow for them to be developed separate from the big Resistance group in Battle Arc, and would allow them a chance to show more of their personalities when trying to keep an eye on Eggman, perhaps even come to realize that Mr. Tinker does remember but genuinely doesn't want to return to his evil self, allowing for character depth and exploration. Thus, once the Rough and Tumble duo attempt to kidnap him, there's a personal element to the whole thing as the Chaotix don't want to see a good person twisted back into evil.

Plus, it would also allow for a separate series of fights to occur, such as the Chaotix vs Rough and Tumble, allowing them to show off more of their abilities without being lost in the chaos of the battle against Metal Sonic. Then things could wrap up on their end with Dr. Starline making his debut and helping to defeat the Chaotix and kidnap Eggman, which the Chaotix would then either inform the main Resistance group about what happened before attempting to give chase, or Vector deciding to try to find where Starline took Eggman to using their team's detective skills out of anger, wounded pride, and personal concern for Mr. Tinker, thus again adding a personal element by the Chaotix feeling shame in their failure to guard him, and also allowing them to show off their best traits as unconventional detectives. And it ultimately adds an element of tragedy since they'll ultimately fail and Eggman will return.

I know this is a really late thing, but it's just something I need to get off my chest. It's too late for such a thing to happen now, but it's just my two cents.

What do you think?

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21 minutes ago, SenEDDtor Missile said:

2) Difference in what the characters do and feel about it.

Shadow after his plan is enacted and the ARK plummets seems to have some sense of regret or resignation about what's about to happen, but isn't willing to do anything about it until he's convinced that what he's doing is the opposite of his dead friend's desires, and that he's been manipulated by his creator. He ultimately tries to fix his mistake.

Eggman...tries to take over the world later on after he fails his current plan, and almost never reflects on his actions and the aftermath of the damage he causes, showing a lack of care about what happens except how it impacts his ego.

That's the point, though. Sonic didn't just kill Shadow even though he was a bad guy trying to kill everyone, and Shadow ended up switching sides and becoming a force for good. And Sonic thinks even Eggman can be similarly redeemed, while Shadow denies the possibility, even though he himself went through it.

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6 minutes ago, Diogenes said:

That's the point, though. Sonic didn't just kill Shadow even though he was a bad guy trying to kill everyone, and Shadow ended up switching sides and becoming a force for good. And Sonic thinks even Eggman can be similarly redeemed, while Shadow denies the possibility, even though he himself went through it.

 

To be frank though, that was more because they had bigger problems to deal with and we never exactly established where Shadow vanished to after the fight against Sonic until he showed up again for Amy to talk down. And frankly by the time time Shadow met up with Sonic again he had swapped sides so there wasn’t much reason for them to continue fighting.

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2 minutes ago, SenEDDtor Missile said:

 

To be frank though, that was more because they had bigger problems to deal with and we never exactly established where Shadow vanished to after the fight against Sonic until he showed up again for Amy to talk down. And frankly by the time time Shadow met up with Sonic again he had swapped sides so there wasn’t much reason for them to continue fighting.

Or, maybe, it is actually part of Sonic's basic worldview to not kill people?

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