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I'm loving idws version  so much more. I'm glad the comic isnt cluttered with the ffs anymore.  the characters so far are amazing and I love Sonics inter actions with amy leagues more than archie ever mustered. I have to say eggman ego is huge in this arc

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I do still prefer Post-Reboot but that was mostly because of the improved Freedom Fighters (Post Reboot Sally is best Sally) and I really loved the Egg bosses (Thunderbolt and Colve deserved better) but I do quite like IDW Sonic, its still in its baby stage and I like where its going, It isnt cluttered with usseless boring ugly characters anymore (looking at you Lien-da and  Tommy Turtle) Great character interaction, Sonic isn't a over the top jerk anymore, ( I never cared much for the oh-so-American Ego Sonic ) the art is fantastic, major props from the past-Archie stuff, and I really enjoy the new characters Whisper. Tangle and Starline, hoping to see more characters come up as the book gets along.Its focus is still on Sonic because..ya know...he is the main character. Rather have it this way then it being focused on characters like Chris Thorndyke or one of the obnoxious Penders-Knuckles clones.

 

So I think I props will end up liking the comic just as much as post -reboot or maybe still less or even better! its still early to 100 percent judge.

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6 hours ago, Adamis said:

The book is called "Sonic the Hedgehog", and Sonic the Hedgehog should not be the main protagonist...??

The characters you call "useless clutter" have fans and don't see them as you call them, and have the same right to want to see them that you to see Cream or whoever. 

Also, we don't need the Freedom Fighters in the comic. There are enough characters as of now. We've had 20+ years of stories with them, after all.

I swear everyday I like the Freedom Fighters less and less. 

The idea that Sonic wasn't the main character or was less important than Sally and her friends is just ludicrous. 

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19 hours ago, Diogenes said:

...so are we just going to ignore that Silver saved Sonic's ass twice and got in the most solid hit on Metal? This wasn't some solo-Sonic stompfest with Silver just sitting on the sidelines.

Silver rescuing Sonic was so casually routine to me which Sonic is so carefree about, he takes the situations less seriously when he mocks his enemies when their about to kill him, but it's more to do with being the MC that is always gonna be plot protected by a lucky break from either his friends or himself.

It's not even interesting to see what happens when Sonic screws up or is in trouble because his flaws dont really mean nothing serious when regarding is character, it doesn't push sonic to change as a character much, his cockiness and indifference works out for the better him alongside it making things worse, he still goes back to being the fasting talking jock that acts like he never learned from the last encounter when confronting a threat with arrogant and impulsive behavior.

Sonics like a gag hero, his attitude while getting in danger/or making mistakes are played for laughs as a routine to keep him from being too strong and keeping other characters from being useless. Sonic being saved wouldn't be a noticeable short coming of his character anyways since he's shown just as powerful as Shadow if not more if he gets angry or less laidback. Hes essentially a self nerfing Gary Stu with his ego being the nerf.

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I hope not. We really do not need a bunch of brand new characters just for the sake of having them. The Sonic universe is overfilled with characters that they haven't used yet probably. Blaze ist, for example, one that can use some more screentime interactions. Same with the Chaotix.  

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I'm loving this comic so far. There was a lot of foreshadowing in #14 so I can't wait for #15. Starline seems interesting so far.

I'm curious when we'll see Super Sonic's first appearance. It would have to be for a situation even more dire than Super Neo.

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I also hope this plot becomes more of a threat than season 1, Eggman is a great antagonist, It's a lot of fun honestly.

And I don't get why the book needs more characters, Archie reboot was overcrowded, every issue was filled with newly introduced characters, and new places for world building, it was more like an encyclopedia than a fun comic, it was a boring formula because we just had a lot of scrapped characters because of the lawsuit and Ian felt the need to desperately  repopulate the world.

What this comics needs is certainly not more characters in each issue, this is fine, may I remind you that issue 14 had 8 characters, it's very much fine, what it needs is more interesting plots, personal stories, bigger threats, brand new situations and mysteries to be engaging. And it needs to touch some deep themes, like issue 6 did and it's the reason it is my favorite issue so far, it reminds me of the deep Mega Man comic book.

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2 hours ago, Marco9966 said:

We should have stories about Chaotix, and Team Dark, and Team Rose. Sonic should be a secondary character in these stories.

That's why Sonic Universe existed. You won't have that in the current Sonic the Hedgehog.

Also, you seem to forget we'll get a mini-series soon.

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1 minute ago, Adamis said:

That's why Sonic Universe existed. You won't have that in the current Sonic the Hedgehog.

Also, you seem to forget we'll get a mini-series soon.

Hopefully the miniseries's success will lead to more miniseries.

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More characters does not make a story a series better. They could have 20 and without a story backing it means noting. Its unneeded clutter.  as for mini series there will be more but knowing idw dont expect a sonic universe format

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On 2/28/2019 at 12:37 PM, Jack the Shadow said:

Honestly, while the new book doesn't wow me at all. Would you say that Archie reboot was better? Because the FFs appeared alongside Sonic? Here we have old and new characters who accompany Sonic, it's the same. Even Archie had them split into short groups for missions. The difference is that the reboot spent 3 full years constructing the world... and when Ian fleshed it out and was ready to play with it finally... the book got cancelled. Meh. This is why I was mad at the time. So now I'd rather have it focused on the story, but it needs to be more interesting than this.

Yeah, sorta.

Admittedly, I think one of the main reasons why is because Archie had a lot more variety and appreciation for the entire franchise going on. Even ignoring the Freedom Fighters being major characters, you had stuff drawn from or referencing other subseries of the franchise plus what the comic itself came up with. And as far as the games go, there was a concise effort once Karl Bollers and especially Mr. Flynn joined the books to shape the world in a way that acknowledges and runs with various disparate aspects of it. Need I also cite the huge cast it had to play with--from recurring Modern cast, to Classic darkhorses, to the lesser appreciated, to reworked faces from Satam & Adventures, to the original world defining sideliners. Overall, it kept a lot of things that existed within the greater franchise alive and kickin in some form. I guess the primary downsides to it was the fact that there was so much of it that could easily overwhelm some and as noted, the Unleashed adaptation ended up going on longer than anticipated.

So with Archie sadly cut short after a nearly [second] record breaking tenure, we got IDW filling the slot of an Sonic comic. The biggest appeal that I've seen to it is that it's all [Dreamcast to Modern] game characters almost all the time, which I guess is a draw for the more casual and/or source material faring crowd. Of course, isolating IDW on it's own merits, there is a catch to it that's purveyed for most of it's run thus far: it might feature game characters above all else, but it's mainly the "safer" band of thirteen and even then, mostly just Sonic, sometimes Eggman, and the sidekick of the issue. Which keeps things simple and varied, but it's still fairly limited. Moving away into the stories themselves, they have most of those three things, with arguably more of a noticeable hangup to them. The most recent issue seems to be showing this clearly: on paper its Sonic & the investigating Silver encountering the still somewhat mysterious Dr. Starline for the first time, but in practice it's another Sonic & friend fight Eggman Forces plot. Oh and setting-wise, it's primarily been random nameless villages in a prairie/forest, an Eggman base, and Angel Island.

To sum it up, IDW is certainly fine and easy to pick up for the general public, but Archie had so much more going on.

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10 minutes ago, DabigRG said:

Yeah, sorta.

Admittedly, I think one of the main reasons why is because Archie had a lot more variety and appreciation for the entire franchise going on. Even ignoring the Freedom Fighters being major characters, you had stuff drawn from or referencing other subseries of the franchise plus what the comic itself came up with. And as far as the games go, there was a concise effort once Karl Bollers and especially Mr. Flynn joined the books to shape the world in a way that acknowledges and runs with various disparate aspects of it. Need I also cite the huge cast it had to play with--from recurring Modern cast, to Classic darkhorses, to the lesser appreciated, to reworked faces from Satam & Adventures, to the original world defining sideliners. Overall, it kept a lot of things that existed within the greater franchise alive and kickin in some form. I guess the primary downsides to it was the fact that there was so much of it that could easily overwhelm some and as noted, the Unleashed adaptation ended up going on longer than anticipated.

So with Archie sadly cut short after a nearly [second] record breaking tenure, we got IDW filling the slot of an Sonic comic. The biggest appeal that I've seen to it is that it's all [Dreamcast to Modern] game characters almost all the time, which I guess is a draw for the more casual and/or source material faring crowd. Of course, isolating IDW on it's own merits, there is a catch to it that's purveyed for most of it's run thus far: it might feature game characters above all else, but it's mainly the "safer" band of thirteen and even then, mostly just Sonic, sometimes Eggman, and the sidekick of the issue. Which keeps things simple and varied, but it's still fairly limited. Moving away into the stories themselves, they have most of those three things, with arguably more of a noticeable hangup to them. The most recent issue seems to be showing this clearly: on paper its Sonic & the investigating Silver encountering the still somewhat mysterious Dr. Starline for the first time, but in practice it's another Sonic & friend fight Eggman Forces plot. Oh and setting-wise, it's primarily been random nameless villages in a prairie/forest, an Eggman base, and Angel Island.

To sum it up, IDW is certainly fine and easy to pick up for the general public, but Archie had so much more going on.

But the problem is ARCHIE had too much characters and stuff going on and a lot of those things simply...werent good. Let alone side the fact that the standards for the art quality was pretty poor, we also had older writers who made..rather quistional choices, we had Karl Bollers who wrote Sally in such a bad manner because he planned for Sonamy to be a thing in the book while at the same time making Amy mentally 10 years old, No one cared about Tommy Turtle and we had to many` ''gender-swaped' characters, that were added for very bad drama and felt forced,

Fiona was just a female Tails, Elias was a male Sally, Lien-Da was an evil female Knuckles, Nicole was just a female Nack, there was just wasnt much creativity in the creation of these characters both in design and personalities.  

The whole Titan Tails became a big joke, the slap issue is still regarded as one of Sonic's lowest moments in comics. The whole Penders echidna lore just felt tiring, sure Ian fixed a few of those things but the comic book still felt so cluttered and inconsistent. (furry characters with Barbie anatomy next to Sega Sonic characters just look weird) these things really isolated the comic from a large part of the Sonic fanbase and newcomers. 

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1 minute ago, Kellodrawsalot said:

But the problem is ARCHIE had too much characters and stuff going on

I said that.

My point was just that IDW is still very young and bare with it's old minor hangups to overcome.

2 minutes ago, Jack the Shadow said:

To sum it up: Archie reboot was trying to please the old comic fans who wanted a big expanded universe. This is a casual approach for those who just play Sonic. They are so different.

Pretty much.

9 minutes ago, Kellodrawsalot said:

 

Fiona was just a female Tails, Elias was a male Sally, Lien-Da was an evil female Knuckles,  there was just wasnt much creativity in the creation of these characters both in design and personalities.  

 

Not...really?

Okay, Fiona was initially "introduced" as a honey trap robot and Elias was apparently created by Mr. Penders so Mr. Bollers would have something else to play with, but they all spun into being their own things. Fiona in particular is such a different beast next to Tails.

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Although I'd have to note that they may have gone with this direction because people, mostly game fans and the larger portion of the fandom were also thrown off by the fact that the comics were so different than the games and that Sonic was part of the Freedom Fighters. I didn't mind it because they were split into different groups. But it's not so different from now. Again, last issue had 8 characters which is plenty. The problems it had were not about the cast or writing.

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6 hours ago, Marco9966 said:

Hopefully the miniseries's success will lead to more miniseries.

Well considering that starting with the Annual there hasn't been a set of solicits without a second book of some kind I think it's a safe bet.

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10 hours ago, Rowl said:

I hope not. We really do not need a bunch of brand new characters just for the sake of having them. The Sonic universe is overfilled with characters that they haven't used yet probably. Blaze ist, for example, one that can use some more screentime interactions. Same with the Chaotix.  

I think it was very important for them to introduce Tangle and Whisper, since the Sonic series is lacking in "cool" female heroes. Amy, Marine and especially Cream were created to be cutesy first and foremost. Rouge is a femme fatale. Blaze has cool appeal, but keeping her in Sonic's universe too long instead of her own would undermine her narrative. So both Tangle and Whisper fill a niche, whilst also having unique fighting gimmicks and personality types within the cast.

With the two of them established, I don't think we need to see any new heroes anytime soon. But the series could do with more villains and civilians in its world.

 

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Blaze belongs with the cutesy crowd Amy is in. Rouge fits the cool theme because she's sexual and female empowering. Shadow should be on par with Sonic but distinct in being cool appeal character.

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Hey, at least they’re more interesting than DoDonpa... 

 

Yeah, I think this only looks good next to stuff like TSR (which is out-Kishimoto-img Morio Kishimoto with its lack of production values) and the movie (which will still be more original, but originality doesn’t equal goodness), rather than on its own merits.

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21 minutes ago, Pengi said:

I think it was very important for them to introduce Tangle and Whisper, since the Sonic series is lacking in "cool" female heroes. Amy, Marine and especially Cream were created to be cutesy first and foremost. Rouge is a femme fatale. Blaze has cool appeal, but keeping her in Sonic's universe too long instead of her own would undermine her narrative. So both Tangle and Marine fill a niche, whilst also having unique fighting gimmicks and personality types within the cast.

With the two of them established, I don't think we need to see any new heroes anytime soon. But the series could do with more villains and civilians in its world.

 

:unamused: 

 You said Marine twice.

15 minutes ago, Miragnarok said:

Hey, at least they’re more interesting than DoDonpa... 

 

Uh, relevance?

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