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1 hour ago, MetalSkulkBane said:

You mean if he didn't just assumed that Sonic is already Zombot since we seen that Eggman didn't do enough tests and is unaware of speed weakness?
Or that he got super exited with his new toy that he forgets fine details, like he always does?
Or or he's sadist and wants Sonic to see the terror he created?
Or-or-or perhaps he's aware that Sonic is kinda hard to beat, so he prefers to first make invincible army?

Yeah, I guess there is no explanation.

I really do think this is fine. 

Whichever dickish thing Eggman decides to do, he's still doing a horrible dickish thing. Dumping the metal virus on that village is the thing that got the entire focus of his plan going. Its supposed to spread like a zombie apocolypse. It even affects the plants. And now its gotten a little flicky and that flicky is headed towards a city. 

Putting that on hold to dick around with Sonic somemore when he already knows he's infected might not be the smartest thing to do in a race to get this virus off the ground before they could do something to stop him. Tails even said that the goal was to hunt Eggman down before the doctor did this and... Tails doesn't know it yet but he and Sonic already fucking failed at that. Whoops.

Now that the virus is out there, maybe now he can waste time messing with Sonic but I have a feeling the doctor is probably going to find it more amusing allowing his virus to do that for him.

And again, if Sonic has to stay active, how is he supposed to sleep or even relax? Or high five his bros? 

Maybe this will be for naught but I really do think this issue in and of itself succeeded in doing what it needed to do. This is one of the few where I really don't have any complaints.

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I have to share my thoughs on the issue as well... So, I felt it was really a transition issue, but geez, the pages with Eggman he was such a psychopath that I love him, I love to hate him, I didn't expect him to infect the village that took care of him, zombots kids... yeah pretty dark. For the heroes, it was a pretty filler issue, Tails is cute as usual, and Tangle was also sweet but I kind of wish they did more, anyway she'll get the miniseries and got the annual so she will get to do some action. I did like that deph at the end though.

Also, Starline... I want his backstory revealed at this point. 

Diana was on fire this issue! Best drawings in a while, they are really sticking with consistent art this time, after the sweet mess she did in Champions. 

8 hours ago, Lord-Dreamerz said:

Been wanting to start reading the Sonic IDW comic series for awhile but kept away at first because enough fans said the early issues were boring. Is it worth starting with issue #1 if i want to get into these comics? Or is there a more exciting place to start instead? FYI I'm not the type that it bothers me to jump in the middle of something depending on the exact circumstances of the media in question.

It really depends who you are asking. It's subjective because of what your expectations are. I mean, the comic is well written, personality-wise the characters are wonderful, and so are their interactions. The story for year one was simple but nice, I won't spoil it for you but there is a mystery villain, and that's the hook for the narration. It's basically the book of our favorite characters getting justice in writing. If you are hoping for a super fan fiction like Archie... This isn't one, it's strictly like the games, but it's really cool.

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Do you think the comic will ever start doing stories that don't necessarily star Sonic?

On 5/2/2019 at 12:41 PM, DabigRG said:

So actually reading lax's reply indirectly reminded me of something: Are there some things about the game stuff in the comic that you aren't too approving of and/or find a little on the wavy side?

I actually forgot about this. Here's a couple of things I noticed that some might consider:

  • Amy claiming to be the real leader
  • Shadow in Issue 6
  • Rouge tipping off the Chaotix
  • Metal saying he was to be Eggman's greatest weapon in destroying the Resistance
  • Knuckles jumping ship to Angel Island
  • Eggman making the Metal Virus

     

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7 hours ago, MetalSkulkBane said:

Year 1 can be described as  "Sonic meets, one of his friends, they smash badniks together, Sonic leaves" Cute interactions and jokes, good art and characterization, but bare-bone plot. If that's all you want, just start at #1. Issues 1-4 are probably most repetitive, but jumping 4 issues seems kinda petty, you know.

Year 2 so far is... a setup. Issue 13, Eggman, tests something, 14 His new lackey tests some more 15 Eggman uses the thing on Sonic. 16 Satisfied, Eggman released 'the thing' on large scale.

Aaaand now the second arc can REALLY begin. So honestly, you could just jump in to issue 15 and you would feel pacing is better. Sadly without my crystal ball I can't say if next issue will be satisfying. :P

So my suggestion: either start from #1 (I mean, what's stopping you? Not enough time? Money?) or return to us in January 2020, then arc will be over and I'll be able to fairly tell you if I can recommend it or not. Because first impressions are... mixed.

Guess I'll look for issue #1 to buy and see how I feel afterwards. But from the sounds of it I might jump to #15 afterwards as I'm not really into the idea of a slow start including Sonic just going around helping/saving random towns from Robotnik with nothing much else to it... sounds repetitive which is not a thing I care for.

And yeah money is a slight problem as I don't have tons of it right now to be throwing it at things I am not sure that I'll enjoy.

5 hours ago, Jack the Shadow said:

It really depends who you are asking. It's subjective because of what your expectations are. I mean, the comic is well written, personality-wise the characters are wonderful, and so are their interactions. The story for year one was simple but nice, I won't spoil it for you but there is a mystery villain, and that's the hook for the narration. It's basically the book of our favorite characters getting justice in writing. If you are hoping for a super fan fiction like Archie... This isn't one, it's strictly like the games, but it's really cool.

Subjective opinions are fine in this case as I simply wanted to hear a few opinions trying to either sell me the comic or tell me what might be bad about it so I can make-up my mind on something I haven't read whatsoever yet. I haven't read much of the Archie comics either past the 90s... I just read up what was happening with them online randomly after that point.

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14 hours ago, Diogenes said:

I mean sure on paper but...it's Sonic. We all know they're going to find a cure and turn everyone back to normal. So far the only victims we have are some skunks that nobody minds getting roughed up, a bunch of villagers that we have almost no reason to care about, and Sonic, the one interesting part of this, but even then he's suppressing it so far just doing what he always does.

Sonic worrying about infecting people and Eggman specifically targeting the village that took care of him are good touches but I'm just not feeling it otherwise. Like I was never a big fan of Archie Sonic but if someone was about to get roboticized in it that was a big fuckin' deal. Some of the first Archie Sonic stuff I read was the Mecha Madness arc and, even knowing they wouldn't kill off Sonic or leave him roboticized forever, there was some pretty heavy shit going on there. Robotnik finally "winning" in capturing and roboticizing Sonic, Mecha Sonic tearing through the Freedom Fighters and barely having to slow down until their desperate last resort of Mecha Knuckles, Sonic feeling guilty even though he had no control over any of this, and flirting with the idea of Sonic dying even if (again) we all knew he wouldn't...there's weight to that, even with the jokes and slapstick mixed in. Here though we have a whole village getting zombotified and it's like...ok? I recognize that this is a bad thing to happen but they're not selling the emotional impact.

e: did I use Mecha Madness as an example before? I feel like I used it before. Whatever, still stands.

To be fair,it is confirmed that one of Sonic's friends will be infected(I hope it isn't Tangle or Wisper: they are still too new,it would leave a bigger impact if Tails,or Knuckles ,or Amy ect. were infected).

My only problem is that Eggman is STILL too cocky that he didn't even make sure that his arch enemy power wasn't a way to slow down the infection! I mean,come on: the dude has lost so many times that you'd think he learned not to be so cocky! He is cocky,yes,but he is supposed to be a genious!

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I'm actually not sure how Eggman was supposed to find out that running as fast as Sonic would slow down the rate of the virus's spread across his body. It's not like the idea came to any of us. 

Plus, the situation Sonic's in still sounds like torture to me. Perhaps I'd be harder on it if his running outright got rid of the virus. That'd be a sorry excuse for a virus if true. While reading it, I was wondering what the catch was going to be when Sonic was acting like he cured himself. 

I can't really chalk this up to arrogance at the moment. 

I'm sure he'll do something more openly arrogant soon though because that's part of Eggman's character. 

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18 hours ago, Ryannumber1gamer said:

I mean, it's not anything to do with being impressed or not, I'm still waiting on the verdict, it's just from what I've heard, and read so far, it's still doing the same old premise even with something this interesting. We've got a massive zombie infection plot, and Sonic infected, yet it still seems to be Sonic running to a village, seeing it's in trouble, and having to get out of it.

Something I forgot to mention here. I do actually want to comment on this because I think we're in two different minds of what the premise of this comic currently is at the moment. The plot line of Sonic running to a village, seeing it's in trouble, and having to get out of it hasn't actually been done since Issue 13. It certainly wasn't done in this issue, which makes it being brought up a little confusing to me. It'll probably happen again in Issue 17 though, considering the outline of the plot for that one. However, the space in between Issues 13 and 17 has really just been dramatic build-up concerning the metal virus and the rate to which it's overtaking the world. Issue 14 sees his experiments on the flickies in their little tubes reach success, coupled with Dr. Starline testing his might against Sonic and Silver. Issue 15, he forces it as a last resort onto Rough and Tumble, two actual characters now, and manages to get Sonic infected. Now in Issue 16, an entire village has been infected and it's officially been released onto the world, with the ending shot being a flicky now headed towards a city.

Now, I find this build up to be gloriously well-done but it's clear that your mileage may vary. The actual point I'm trying to make is that, this formula isn't really as clear cut the same as it was in year 1 so far. Though, it looks like we'll be getting into the thick of something similar to it soon. I have a feeling the village to village thing is going to actually come back.

Actually, reading the synopsis for the upcoming issues makes it clear that it totally is.

The actual pattern that's still observable, however, is the fact that Sonic is in every issue and each issue he's paling around with some other member of the cast. Unlike year 1 though, they aren't almost literally doing the same thing as before. Despite enjoying it for what it was, there was a much more obvious pattern when it came to the sequence of events back in year 1. Things are leading more into the next actual plot point this go around, which I prefer.

As of right now though, the only consistent and observable pattern is that we'll get Sonic and someone else from the main cast showing up. And that's really it. 

It's not even in sequential order either since here in Issue 16 he's hanging with Tails again when he just hung with him back in Issue 13.

That being the case, should I feel it reach a point where it becomes largely detrimental to have it so focused on Sonic's point of view, I'll be sure to lament over the fact that the pattern exists but for the moment I feel like because he actually hasn't been doing the village to village thing, it's not proven to be as bad as it's currently being made out to be.

In theory.

I do have a tiny itch of a fear at the back of my mind that because of the inherent focus on Sonic, the chance for this virus infection being on him to lead to anything substantial for him has a chance at suffering. There is a chance that him being a full zombot could still count as him appearing in each issue though, in which case, I'm all for it.

I don't necessarily need Sonic to be inactive or away from what's going on. The pattern only becomes a problem when I feel it hinders what could happen. So far it hasn't yet but it definitely could. I definitely recognize the proposed fear. I don't find the idea of Sonic being totally out of commission all that appealing (nor would I assume he'd need to be. If anything it makes more sense for him to be constantly fighting as well as running) and as such what's happening for now has managed to keep my interest. I'm largely taking the wait and see approach because everything concerning the build up here has graciously only affected me in a positive manner.

However, the build-up has backfired on me before. The climax to the last arc was unsatisfying and if this virus doesn't have a substantial lasting effect for a good long while, I'll probably be disappointed. I don't want these arcs to be so strictly stuck to a yearly format that it hinders the potential something like this could have. 

 

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1 hour ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

I'm actually not sure how Eggman was supposed to find out that running as fast as Sonic would slow down the rate of the virus's spread across his body. It's not like the idea came to any of us. 

Plus, the situation Sonic's in still sounds like torture to me. Perhaps I'd be harder on it if his running outright got rid of the virus. That'd be a sorry excuse for a virus if true. While reading it, I was wondering what the catch was going to be when Sonic was acting like he cured himself. 

I can't really chalk this up to arrogance at the moment. 

I'm sure he'll do something more openly arrogant soon though because that's part of Eggman's character. 

By testing how the virus worked with super speed

1 hour ago, StaticMania said:

The point of being a genius is that they can just do whatever.

Learning from past mistakes is a long due process...

And not being arrogant is just...not gonna happen.

I'm not saying that he has to change complitely but at least trying to be a little more coscious: it's like Lex Luthor not wanting to find out Superman weakness

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1 hour ago, Redbluethunder5 said:

By testing how the virus worked with super speed

...Why would he do that? Because Sonic goes fast? I don't understand why that idea would come to him. None of us thought this would be the case either. Something I'd chalk up to sheer arrogance would probably be something more clearly observable and obvious.

He was creating a virus, the purpose of which is supposed to spread from person to person and turn them into zombots. His goal and intention is largely focused on that and he succeeded at it. 

It's easy to admonish him after the fact when a complication that no one saw coming arises but I'm really not sure how this is an example of arrogance on his part.

It's definitely an oversight but I feel it's a pretty understandable one. 

I'd hold it up to more scrutiny if, again, going fast made the virus go away but it doesn't. It's just slowing the rate of the infection down a bit. 

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just got the issue, really loved it,

It got pretty dark for a Sonic comic, man parents/older characters using their body to protect young children from being effected by the goo, that was something.

The art was spectacular, loved how Tangle's tail also adds to her expressions, I got lowkey Skullgirls vibe imagining her fighting with her tail like that. 

also dam Starline nearly crying over Eggman being nice to him/showing him science stuff, HE''S really into Eggman

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13 hours ago, Lord-Dreamerz said:

Been wanting to start reading the Sonic IDW comic series for awhile but kept away at first because enough fans said the early issues were boring. Is it worth starting with issue #1 if i want to get into these comics? Or is there a more exciting place to start instead? FYI I'm not the type that it bothers me to jump in the middle of something depending on the exact circumstances of the media in question.

Did you change your name?

Anyway, I'd say the comic is kind of a general mix of underwhelming for a decent amount of people.

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6 hours ago, Fire-N-Space said:

Zavok needs to swoop in using his special powers to control all the robot zombies and kill Eggman with them saving the day from this mad man.

 

Bless your heart, you sweet summer child.

5 hours ago, Redbluethunder5 said:

By testing how the virus worked with super speed

I'm not saying that he has to change complitely but at least trying to be a little more coscious: it's like Lex Luthor not wanting to find out Superman weakness

 

4 hours ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

...Why would he do that?

The better question is how?

17 minutes ago, Lord-Dreamerz said:

I am not sure what that is suppose to mean? my user name has been the exact same since i joined this forum years ago.

Okay, I just don't recall it.

My bad!

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9 hours ago, DabigRG said:

Did you change your name?

Anyway, I'd say the comic is kind of a general mix of underwhelming for a decent amount of people.

Issues are being sold out trough, so it seems to have build  a loyal fanbasae. The majority of people who find the comic are underwhelming are fans of the previous comic books (archie) but the comic has been far better received by the general majority of the Sonic fanbase then the former ever has. Even Sonic Team itself has complimented the comic which is something they never did for Archie.

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35 minutes ago, Kellodrawsalot said:

Issues are being sold out trough, so it seems to have build  a loyal fanbasae. The majority of people who find the comic are underwhelming are fans of the previous comic books (archie) but the comic has been far better received by the general majority of the Sonic fanbase then the former ever has. Even Sonic Team itself has complimented the comic which is something they never did for Archie.

They complimented? Source? Didn't hear about this.

Anyway, yeah kids are loving the comic, I know that. Plus fans on reddit, discord, twitter and the IDW facebook squad are really full of positive comments. Haven't heard from those who used to read Archie, but I get why they are disappointed, it's a really different book.

Am I the only one who was bored by most of the Annual? I really love character moments and interactions, it's just that I want stuff to happen, main plots moving forward, a threat/conflict, so I rather prefer the main issues, just my opinion. The formula has nothing wrong IMO, it's pretty standard, Sonic + ally go on a quest/mission, didn't that happen on Archie as well? The difference is that Archie had more arcs, but literally it was that, even at the beginning with Countdown to Chaos, they had to meet each redesigned Freedom Fighter in each issue, but it was okay because there was a lot of baggage in the story, for the previous continuity leftovers. That was my main hook with that arc. Here it was the mystery villain. Eggman is an absolute beast here and I'm loving it, I also loved Neo Metal Sonic though. Starline... could be used in better ways, I want to see him shine more as a standalone villain, not another Snively. So yeah, I didn't really want any issues with Sonic relaxing and enjoying life, we have had enough panels in issues 12 and 13 for that.

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Spoiler

(Rereads the Comic Preview for Issue 18)

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"Crisis City, Part 1"! Eggman's reign of terror continues! Sonic races to help Team Dark rescue civilians from a major city, but his own metal virus infection is getting worse! Outnumbered, how long can Sonic outrun the inevitable? And who else will fall? A major cornerstone of the metal virus saga! One of Sonic's most powerful allies falls victim to the disease, but who?

Well, it sounds like Shadow is going to be a Zombot.

 

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1 hour ago, Kellodrawsalot said:

Issues are being sold out trough, so it seems to have build  a loyal fanbasae. The majority of people who find the comic are underwhelming are fans of the previous comic books (archie) but the comic has been far better received by the general majority of the Sonic fanbase then the former ever has. Even Sonic Team itself has complimented the comic which is something they never did for Archie.

could you link me  to statements

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2 hours ago, Kellodrawsalot said:

Issues are being sold out trough, so it seems to have build  a loyal fanbasae. The majority of people who find the comic are underwhelming are fans of the previous comic books (archie) but the comic has been far better received by the general majority of the Sonic fanbase then the former ever has. Even Sonic Team itself has complimented the comic which is something they never did for Archie.

Well, if people are happy, good for them. I don't want my negativity to ruin their fun.

With that said, you just described Bay Transformers. Makes tons of money, Hasbro approves, only some pesky old fans complain.

I know, it's not 100% identical, but I feel like comics plays it save, like every new 2D Mario (Mario Bros Wii made more many than both Galaxy games combined)

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2 hours ago, Kellodrawsalot said:

Issues are being sold out trough, so it seems to have build  a loyal fanbasae. The majority of people who find the comic are underwhelming are fans of the previous comic books (archie) but the comic has been far better received by the general majority of the Sonic fanbase then the former ever has. Even Sonic Team itself has complimented the comic which is something they never did for Archie.

...You couldn't help but drag Archie into this, could you? 😑

1 hour ago, Sonictrainer said:
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(Rereads the Comic Preview for Issue 18)

Well, it sounds like Shadow is going to be a Zombot.

 

Hm... I suppose I could settle for that. 

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2 hours ago, Sonictrainer said:
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(Rereads the Comic Preview for Issue 18)

Well, it sounds like Shadow is going to be a Zombot.

 

And on that day the thread is going to experience some extreme deja vu.

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5 hours ago, Jack the Shadow said:

...any issues with Sonic relaxing and enjoying life, we have had enough panels in issues 12 and 13 for that. 

If it's not suppose to be story related, does it really matter?

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