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1 minute ago, Marco9966 said:

I prefer Flynn's writing.

Besides, their one story is very bad. The Deadly 6 are just 6 stereotypes.

Because Sonic is known for it's deep intricate characters. 

Like don't get me wrong I love the Sonic franchise but...I'd hesitate to say any of the characters are super deep. Even Rouge who I do feel is more grey area is still not a totally deep character.

I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. I like the characters for their personalities more than how serious they are TBH.

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4 hours ago, SBR2 said:

Aybe it's because I don't take Sonic deathly seriously but I honestly still don't get the problem with Pontaff?

Like yeah they're jokey but why is that automatically a bad thing? 

Colors for starts bores me as nothing happens. In firt minute we stablish that Eggman enslaved aliens and that's the story, followed by 30 minutes of nothing new. I don't know much I can blame this on Pontac, maybe he's just victim of circumstances. I just miss the days when Sonic had adventures, twists, mysteries, when STUFF happened.

What I can blame on him is that I just don't laugh. What worse, Sonic and Tails act so smug, like their jokes are a comedy gold. With Eggman and most of Deadly Six being incompetent dummies, Sonic doesn't beat his enemies, he bullies losers into submission.

I don't hate comedy in Sonic. Flynn/Sonic Mania/ TeamRacingOvedrive are great Sonic comedy-wise as their comedy is based on face expressions and personalities of characters. Pontac/Graff aren't using personalities, they possessing Sonic and Tails to tell jokes (ok, Eggman sometimes made me laugh. Like his Colors announcements). Sonic Battle, Riders 1 and yes Marine in Rush Adventures. It's almost universally agreed they aren't great comedies, but I still like them for what they are, way  more than Sonic game comedy in 2010-16

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1 hour ago, SBR2 said:

Aybe it's because I don't take Sonic deathly seriously but I honestly still don't get the problem with Pontaff?

Like yeah they're jokey but why is that automatically a bad thing? 

They've been involved with Sonic Team since Colors, which is what heralded a considerable change in how the franchise presented itself. And while that and Generations were certainly good games, the denser & wackier tone that started with them carried through in many of the games afterwards, including Sonic Boom.

Because of that, many of the flaws and/or differences in preference associated with the later Modern era somewhat lies at feet and thus people who dislike that & want it to change attribute it to them. Same thing technically goes for the Studiopolis cast and the overall mentality/trends of Sonic Team's recent design & other writing staff. 

1 hour ago, Marco9966 said:

I prefer Flynn's writing.

Besides, their one story is very bad. The Deadly 6 are just 6 stereotypes.

I should note that while they came up with the actual story, they given the characters(Knuckles and Amy had promotional renders for Lost World) & the overall location and were told to write a story and/or script around them. Which in Lost World's case meant they were the ones who came up with the conflict between Sonic and Tails, the teamup with Eggman(which makes me curious by extension...), and possibly the threat of the Extractor. 

However, they did not come up with the Deadly Six or the Lost Hex--or even Cubot, if what I read last night is any indication--and were basically just told to make sure they are funny AND threatening based off what character traits they were given. This in all likelihood also included making sure the door is left open for Sonic Team to use them again.

1 hour ago, SBR2 said:

Because Sonic is known for it's deep intricate characters. 

Like don't get me wrong I love the Sonic franchise but...I'd hesitate to say any of the characters are super deep. Even Rouge who I do feel is more grey area is still not a totally deep character.

I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. I like the characters for their personalities more than how serious they are TBH.

Yeah, the ironic thing about the Deadly Six(well, half of them anyway) is that technically speaking, they aren't that far removed depth-wise from some of the other characters, particularly the likes of Espio and Charmy.

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1 hour ago, DabigRG said:

Yeah, the ironic thing about the Deadly Six(well, half of them anyway) is that technically speaking, they aren't that far removed depth-wise from some of the other characters, particularly the likes of Espio and Charmy.

Sonic characters aren't really about depth (not all anyway). They are about how competently they are made.

Espio is a ninja: look at his ninja gloves. As ninja he needs to disappear, so he's chameleon. His name is Espio from 'espionage' or 'sneaking in, like a ninja'. All his powers are ninja/chameleon based.
Other than that he's a animal, like rest of Sonic world, he fits. He's ninja and detective. A cool stoic and yet part of biggest goofballs of Sonic. (Hey, that IS more personality that D6)

Now tell me same things about Zeena. She's a snooty girl...yes, I suppose she looks like one.
And that's all I can say with certainty. Her loose powers, unknown origins, shallow role in the world, strange 'zeti' design.
And final nail: Zeena isn't likeable. Chaotix are made as this funny disorganized team. Zeena was made  to look like loser for Sonic to make fun of, she's one-note and yet we spend considerable time on her in cutscenes and in-stage dialogue.

Compare it to Robot Masters from Megaman. They have less personality that D6, but people love them. They have specified role in world, expressive designs and don't overstay their welcome.

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14 hours ago, Kellodrawsalot said:

 

@Heckboy that sounds intreseting but not the setting Sonic is from which is modern or fantasy ish like world, making a different setting again would just be meh in a way

I think you misread my post. I don't want a comic with the setting of Usagi Yojimbo, just a similar story format. 

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2 hours ago, StaticMania said:

That's rude.

Charmy is only a lad, he doesn't need depth.

Heh. 

It's kind of a shame that a recurring character that's been around since Heroes hasn't gotten much screentime. And poor freebee there has it probably the worst. 

55 minutes ago, MetalSkulkBane said:

Sonic characters aren't really about depth (not all anyway). They are about how competently they are made.

 

I assume you pick these because they both have curled tails.  

55 minutes ago, MetalSkulkBane said:

 

Other than that he's a animal, like rest of Sonic world, he fits.

To be fair, Eggman, Metal, Chaos, and the other Chao aren't animals either. 

I don't think it overly matters what they are. As long as who they are and possibly any factoid of what they are is checked. 

55 minutes ago, MetalSkulkBane said:

 

As ninja he needs to disappear, so he's chameleon.

 He's ninja and detective. 

He is indeed ninja. He is chameleon too. :lol:

55 minutes ago, MetalSkulkBane said:

A cool stoic and yet part of biggest goofballs of Sonic. 

Is he? Cause part of the reason I cite him is that most of what other personality he has comes from spinoffs or the classic era bios. 

Also, you just described Zavok as well.

55 minutes ago, MetalSkulkBane said:

 

Now tell me same things about Zeena. She's a snooty girl...yes, I suppose she looks like one.
And that's all I can say with certainty. Her loose powers, unknown origins, shallow role in the world, strange 'zeti' design.
And final nail: Zeena isn't likeable. Chaotix are made as this funny disorganized team. Zeena was made  to look like loser for Sonic to make fun of, she's one-note and yet we spend considerable time on her in cutscenes and in-stage dialogue.

 

Oh, Zeena sucks. 

57 minutes ago, MetalSkulkBane said:

 

And final nail: Zeena isn't likeable. Chaotix are made as this funny disorganized team. Zeena was made  to look like loser for Sonic to make fun of, she's one-note and yet we spend considerable time on her in cutscenes and in-stage dialogue.

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Uh, define likeable. 

Also, it's funny you bring up time with her in particular.  

48 minutes ago, StaticMania said:

They love the designs to be sure...

That's all they have in most games...

...Are you talking the Zeti or Sonic characters on general?

 

 

 

 

48 minutes ago, StaticMania said:

They love the designs to be sure...

That's all they have in most games...

 

48 minutes ago, StaticMania said:

They love the designs to be sure...

That's all they have in most games...

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Ian Flynn's writing is far to serious for its own good having to little jokes with characters needing to mature suddenly this especially happens with Amy. About Zeena I believe its fair to say most characters don't have all of their back story explained in the first game their seen in.

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27 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

Ian Flynn's writing is far to serious for its own good having to little jokes with characters needing to mature suddenly this especially happens with Amy. About Zeena I believe its fair to say most characters don't have all of their back story explained in the first game their seen in.

Most characters either have their backstory explained in their first game, or don't have backstories at all.

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1 hour ago, Fire-N-Space said:

Ian Flynn's writing is far to serious for its own good having to little jokes with characters needing to mature suddenly this especially happens with Amy.

Said after the most recent issue includes Tangle.

1 hour ago, Fire-N-Space said:

About Zeena I believe its fair to say most characters don't have all of their back story explained in the first game their seen in.

True, but Zeena is more or less the ur example of how you need something.

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19 hours ago, Kellodrawsalot said:

@Shadowlax you do know I mentioned and members OF Sonic Team not just former right? ukewa and Takashi are still members of Sonic Team, (sorry if miss spell their names) did you even check the videos. And interview? They mention that showing Sonic Boom off to Sonic Team was painful for them (Sonic Team) Sonic Team also called Sonic Boom "" just a series to sell toys to sell to American children"" and ""you Will get a proper Sonic game later"" also members of Sonic Team are again dissing Sonic the movie.

Ok , admittedly, that's pretty harsh. That said I feel like Sonic boom much like the movie is an extreme case.  And while I do think there is a disdain  felt some Archie decisions I don't think its regular practice. I think in those two situations much like pre-boot Archie they did not represent what they wanted sonic and co to represent. 

I don't think its a normal practice they are bothering to talk about this new book because they have more control over it and it will most likely be used as a more effective advertising arm for their game and characters and that's it really.

 

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Finally got around to seeing the new issue. Being honest, it's probably the best issue of the comic so far. It's not amazing, but it's starting to head towards the direction I've been wanting, and wasn't what I thought it was gonna be based off what people were saying here. 

Off the top of my head: 

Spoiler
  • Extremely happy that Eggman got to distribute the virus with Sonic and co none the wiser. I expected this was going to be Eggman running around and infecting as many places as he could, but it looks like he's actually just made one batch of payload, enough to fill up the entire village, and he's now spreading that around to other towns. I really hope this means he's gonna be free to mess with Sonic while the Zombots are doing their thing.
  • Eggman returning to the village is very petty, and spiteful, definitely a good showing that Eggman is not a good guy. Frankly, it goes to show that Ian's writing a much better version of the Eggman we should've gotten in Forces (Top of his game, pretty damn evil, but also insanely egotistical, cocky, and goofy). I'd still like to see more of Eggman's goofy side come out, striking a balance between the two is important IMO, but for now, I like what we're seeing.
  • Sonic and Tails' thing was pretty meh, they didn't get much of the comic to themselves, and Sonic quickly exiles himself before Tails could do tests (which I'm not sure about, since couldn't Sonic just run it into remission, let it slowly appear so Tails can do quick tests, and then force it back into remission?)
  • Really liked that Sonic seems afraid. That final part with him trying to reassure himself that he'll be fine is one of the strongest moments for him in the book, a decent one to humanise him. It's like he realises that this isn't gonna be a cure, it didn't work before, but he's in denial about it, because he'd otherwise completely freak out about it. Really liked how they tried to use previous adventures to highlight it, despite the fact Sonic knows this is Eggman made, and highly more dangerous, and unlikely to be so simple to fix.
  • Was not expecting a Secret Rings or Unleashed reference, and was super hyped to see them. I know we were told all games are canon, but seeing Sonic explicitly show the Werehog and the Flame from Secret Rings was great. Really hope this means we might see some additional appearances from the storybook games, or even the Gaia lore. 

Overall, pretty cautious about how things progress from here. It was a great story, but I'm really hoping Ian continues to make full use of the potential, and not fall back into old tricks that led to the disappointing conclusion of the Metal Sonic arc.

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Preview is out, does the thing I always wanted to do. Shows the animal folks in their world living in human like cities, doing stuff. Too bad things are about to go 0-100, real quick

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12 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

Preview is out, does the thing I always wanted to do. Shows the animal folks in their world living in human like cities, doing stuff. Too bad things are about to go 0-100, real quick

You say the preview is out, but do you have sauce?

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24 minutes ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

That part of overlooking the smoke reminds me of Nick Fury at the end of Infinity War. 

Code red. 

Not a good sign, man. 

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Just finished up with issue #16 and I really like where this arc is going. Lots of things happening all at once. Loved how they incorporated Tangle and Whispers story from the annual into it.

I’m now wondering if the Babylon Rogues will appear later down the road.

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