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11 hours ago, SBR2 said:

but I'm curious does anyone on here like the IDW comic?

I like it alot, I think the writing is good, all the artists and colourists are good, and it feels like the comic is building up more and more with each issue. But I also think the other reason I am enjoying it is that while the comic does have a bit of a slow pace, I feel confident that it is all going to pay off eventually and feel patient waiting for it.

Will be interesting to see how the Tangle and Whisper mini-series is received on here. It's only 4 issues, which should mean it has a far more brisk pace to it I would hope, maybe people will prefer that over the main book's 12 issue plotlines?

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10 hours ago, PublicEnemy1 said:

I see the problem. I have something similar. However, I think I know WHY the comic is this way.

It's because of SEGA.

I know people are tired of me complaining about the mandates, but they really can get in the way of storytelling. You see, in order to have any character development for the core cast, you have to get it through SEGA first.

The problem is, they don't like character development for the core cast, because branding shit or whatever. Ian might also be suffering from burnout after working on Sonic for all these years.

It's not Sega, at least not entirely. Read Ian's other books, like that Cosmo thing that lasted for five whole issues. He's written some good stuff, but his writing can be pretty mediocre. I really just think he's burnt out after 13 years of writing the same fucking series.

They need a new writer or co-writer. The mandates excuse really is bullshit when you realize other writers have done more with the characters in spite of these guidelines, the most recent example being the stories in the annual. You can have so many varied and fun stories with these characters that are totally in compliance with the mandates, but for some reason - either because of Ian or his editors or whatever - we get stuck with boring, decompressed-as-fuck arcs that just spin their wheels for a year until the rushed climax.

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40 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

" i'm sonic's best friend and he does everything "

And "I am now sassy and can do things with the story allows it "

But that comic tails was like a neat mixture of both of those. He was sonic's friend, but he was also competent and could like give him shit if it was required

 

Uh, more like Sonic's kid idolizer and his hypercompetent sidekick, but I suppose your second works as a bit of a recent third. 

 

41 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

 

 So I got two main issues with Pre-boot Shadow, well 3

1) He always felt connected to nothing ever ( This persisted in the reboot tbh )

2) Ian always felt like he was trying to " end " his character

3) For a time like many other characters under penders, he felt very out of character

So yeah, that.

Yep

 

Oh.

 

I was wrong.

41 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

 

Oh you don't remember tails's interact with fiona. You don't remember the time Fiona's grave sin was " Not wanting to be romantically involved with a child " said child who was acting fairly creepy and like he deserved her btw. And because of this grave sin, she was painted as the bad guy and actually made one. There's a lot of weird  shit in the pre-reboot and the mysogonistic handling of some of its themes were some of the worst of it

Oh, that unfortunate connotation.

To be a tad fair, Fiona was made a villain because Mr. Flynn thought it'd be more interesting to play into her mercenary background and her previous umbrage against Sonic compared to...whatever she was actually doing before that point. Using Tails' redirected feelings towards her was just an convenient way to play up her decision to do so alongside Scourge. 

 

With that said, oof. 

41 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

" i'm sonic's best friend and he does everything "

And "I am now sassy and can do things with the story allows it "

But that comic tails was like a neat mixture of both of those. He was sonic's friend, but he was also competent and could like give him shit if it was required

 So I got two main issues with Pre-boot Shadow, well 3

1) He always felt connected to nothing ever ( This persisted in the reboot tbh )

2) Ian always felt like he was trying to " end " his character

3) For a time like many other characters under penders, he felt very out of character

So yeah, that.

Yep

Oh you don't remember tails's interact with fiona. You don't remember the time Fiona's grave sin was " Not wanting to be romantically involved with a child " said child who was acting fairly creepy and like he deserved her btw. And because of this grave sin, she was painted as the bad guy and actually made one. There's a lot of weird  shit in the pre-reboot and the mysogonistic handling of some of its themes were some of the worst of it

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15 hours ago, SBR2 said:

So I got a serious question. There's sop many people "Not feeling" the book or having trouble getting into it and that's fine not everyone's going to like any one piece of media but I'm curious does anyone on here like the IDW comic?

Love it myself, the first year does seem a bit on the rushed side but it got better and better, the art is consistent good and I love the characters interaction and the zombie-robot plot is pretty amazing!

 

I get confused when people are saying Idw Amy is too much like Sally or Tangle is a ""Sally Copy"" There was more to Sally then just being a leader type character, she guided the characters, Amy on the other hand just took a leading organizing role, but isnt telling Sonic or Tails what to do during battle,  and Tangle and Sally are nothing alike

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5 hours ago, Kellodrawsalot said:

 

I get confused when people are saying Idw Amy is too much like Sally

There was more to Sally then just being a leader type character, she guided the characters, Amy on the other hand just took a leading organizing role, but isnt telling Sonic or Tails what to do during battle,  

I agree with your reasoning, but it's ultimately a spiritually inheritance/equivalency-sorta thing.

 

5 hours ago, Kellodrawsalot said:

 

 

Tangle is a ""Sally Copy""

and Tangle and Sally are nothing alike

People are really still saying that?

Oh my goodness...

4 hours ago, StaticMania said:

Tangle actually fights right?

So did Sally, particularly in the Reboot.

The distinction is that Tangle is excited about fighting and looks forward to it, whereas only does so when it's necessary for the mission. 

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For the sake of getting a rational leg up on this old bruhaha (because I know its gonna be dredged by you handful of clods out there), Tangle apparently replacing Sally is on IDW and/or it's marketing department. 

Back in, what, January of last year or two, IDW finally followed up on promoting and showcasing the upcoming comic by building up a new character for the comic. They did this by gradually revealing parts of an image of the character, silhouetted, back to back with Sonic himself. Now at first, it was hard to make out anything for that exact reason,but as the 5 weeks counted down, they unveiled more of the image. At internals, we could make out bits of what was going on, like Sonic holding onto something and the character having female denoting eyelashes. 

During the final week before the character was revealed as Tingle the Lemur, they showed the full image's context--the two geared to fight surrounding Egg Pawn--with the character still blacked out. And, honestly, the silhouette did look like New252!Sally holding a Wispon at a glance. It's easy to look back now and try to claim an edge, but at the time, no one knew what a Tangle was and so some people just compared it to what they did. I mean, look at it:

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Unfortunately, Tangle's reveal proper inevitably inherited some initial push back, some obviously from those who thought or wished it was Sally. If not from those of us who believed the whole thing was a misguided idea to begin with. This had a short but apparently still lingering period where that was a reason for some to not like the character, as well as an easy out for those who opposed that reaction or at least didn't like Archie/Sally anyway. It was a unnecessary fume start to quiet finish. 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, DabigRG said:

For the sake of getting a rational leg up on this old bruhaha (because I know its gonna be dredged by you handful of clods out there), Tangle apparently replacing Sally is on IDW and/or it's marketing department. 

 

 

 

People think this? That's a hilariously bold assumption for a number of reasons, one in particular though.

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49 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

People think this? That's a hilariously bold assumption for a number of reasons, one in particular though.

I was surprised to here that as well. Unfortunately, it's been proven to be the type of thing that "makes sense."

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6 hours ago, Dantemustdie00 said:

That's were the similarities end tho, same said for Wisper.

If anything it's Amy whose the closest thing to Sally, but without being too similar.

Similarity? That's was the difference.

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7 hours ago, Dantemustdie00 said:

That's were the similarities end tho, same said for Wisper.

If anything it's Amy whose the closest thing to Sally, but without being too similar.

Wait, why Whisper?

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23 minutes ago, Dantemustdie00 said:

Nah I just said that in case their were people trying to think Whisper was a Sally replacement too

Ah, okay. 

Cause there's literally no correlation there.

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On 6/9/2019 at 10:05 PM, Heckboy said:

It's not Sega, at least not entirely. Read Ian's other books, like that Cosmo thing that lasted for five whole issues. He's written some good stuff, but his writing can be pretty mediocre. I really just think he's burnt out after 13 years of writing the same fucking series.

They need a new writer or co-writer. The mandates excuse really is bullshit when you realize other writers have done more with the characters in spite of these guidelines, the most recent example being the stories in the annual. You can have so many varied and fun stories with these characters that are totally in compliance with the mandates, but for some reason - either because of Ian or his editors or whatever - we get stuck with boring, decompressed-as-fuck arcs that just spin their wheels for a year until the rushed climax.

Ok so like. I don't think the annual is that spectacular of an example and not even in the same context. All the characters are written the same, actually written in an isolated context for the first time,  or new. The only difference is the scenario's, but odds are IDW and Sega want this to be an action oriented comics centered around video game stuff. Which is why the books are written the way that they are.

Ontop of that, I think the suggestion that he's burnt out is uh... laughable... to say the least. Not only does this man continue to show genuinely respect and enthusiasm for this series he continues to enjoy. But he's coming up with new ideas, how can you say that' he is burn out and this year's narrative is a zombie apocalypse story using what was an Easter egg in one game.

 

All that said though , I wouldn't mind if flynn wasn't the sole or " main writer " on this. while I don't think he's burnt out by anymeans, he is a man and has flaws. Some of which if you are familiar with his writing as much as some of us are (We will get back to this in a moment )  they shine through. One example being he's sort of obsessed with dynamic's and characterizations that aren't particularly interesting. I mentioned above, in another statement reminded by the cool poster @Rosaleia  tail's is written strangely. To be fair to flynn, sega been doing that too, but I honestly think within the confines of the character you could have had one who questioned sonic's descions about logistics and stuff. But he really likes that brother dynamic.... so nope.

Another example being lack of consequences. Obviously sonic is a series where you can move past... alot. However, Just want to remind you, the lesson of this year is either going to be " Damn sonic you should have let shadow murder someone "  or quickly move past this and never address the fact that rouge and sonic should have let shadow, murder someone. Now there are ways to avoid this, one savy way in particular, but I have no confidence that he will do so because of aforementioned " Obsession with uninteresting dynamics" and he wants to put shadow in an adversarial position even when it isn't warranted.  Someone else probably would have went " Oh yeah maybe not write the story about the morality of murder where sonic's decision will be instantaneously questioned in a way that makes him seem hella wrong in like a year " . " Maybe having a moral discussion of this magnitude on a yearly reset book isn't the appropriate place for this.

So you know, I can appreciate having other writers to combat that. Yeah aforementioned " Writers with hot takes on my favorite characters" however, I'm willing to take that risk.  To avoid Ian Flynns flaws.

But here's the thing, most people aren't familiar with those flaws yet, or havent been around enough to make a judgement call on if they even think they are flaws. The book sells regularly 2 to 3 out of stock, and several times more than the previous book. This game focused yearly reset approach seems to be what is hot in the streets.  So I would imagine those with vested interests in such things like sega and IDW would like his to continue

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I would also like to point out using Cosmo as an example is ridiculous. It had sales troubles because it's an incredibly obscure book and Archie is not exactly the best at running a business.

Honestly it's not surprising Cosmo crashed because the sad reality is if Flynn's not writing Sonic nobody really seems to care. Which sucks because while I enjoy his Sonic work I'd put Mega Man, New Crusaders and his TMNT contributions well above it. Hell his short Superman story was also not too shabby.

So I'll agree with Heckboy on one thing in his post Sonic isn't Ian's best work. I still think it's good but if you don't believe he's bogged down by mandates check out literally anything else he's done.

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2 hours ago, SBR2 said:

I would also like to point out using Cosmo as an example is ridiculous. It had sales troubles because it's an incredibly obscure book and Archie is not exactly the best at running a business.

Honestly it's not surprising Cosmo crashed because the sad reality is if Flynn's not writing Sonic nobody really seems to care. Which sucks because while I enjoy his Sonic work I'd put Mega Man, New Crusaders and his TMNT contributions well above it. Hell his short Superman story was also not too shabby.

So I'll agree with Heckboy on one thing in his post Sonic isn't Ian's best work. I still think it's good but if you don't believe he's bogged down by mandates check out literally anything else he's done.

I think Cosmo crashed mainly because it was an original IP, because stuff like Mega Man was fairly successful.

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21 minutes ago, Eurisko said:

Has there been anymore word on Sticks joining the comics? I know Ian had sort of hinted at the possibility of it happening last year. 

Not that I've heard of so far, though I am behind on Bumblekast.

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