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50 minutes ago, Ernest the Panda said:

I thought that was more because of them thinking “well we’re not going home again anytime soon so I may as well prepare for a long stay”.

I also personally assumed Tails’ workshop in the SA1 arc was his original workshop from their home world and it was one of the many things that began popping up on Earth after the Chaos Control messed everything up.

IIRC Chuck explained that in the finale storyline of Season 2: the two worlds were once one and split apart a long time ago. Hence why the effects of the freak accident Chaos Control specifically warped Sonic's friends, Eggman, and Rouge there, as well as why the second one caused by Super Sonic destroying the Eggsterminator warped Angel Island, the Chaotix's Office, Vanilla, Flickies, the Bocchans(?), and possibly Big & Froggy there afterwards. However, since they've spent so long apart, they've since developed their own space-time properties and thus the continued bridging of the two was starting to result in an attempt re-regulation that would've caused time to stop entirely.

In Sonic X itself, sure, for the most part.  I wanna say Tails' workshop was a joint effort with Chuck, but that might just be me remember my post.

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I feel as though the issue with tyring to pretend its iizuka's head canon unlike everything else there is are actual consequences of this thematically. Example " Shadow can't do chaos control with out chaos emeralds " not only was that not like inline with how the games presented he obviously changed his mind because he's doing more now. You can just ignore it, because the games actively contradict it untill iizuka goes with the flow so to speak.

This is inline with presentation. That's the issue. You can pretend no humans are around, but then it brings up the question " What happened to gun " even harder, but more so what happened to the space colony arc. because you go to space in that game and that would most likely be in the orbit of the planet. But lets say you ignore all that, maybe the arc was conviently out of frame  and iizuka forgot eggman pissed on the moon and broke it . You go all over the world in that game, you save the whole world in that game. You telling me there was just no humans no where? No, they don't exist. When it was the other way around, your characters were the animals and had houses shit and it was mostly humans so you could make the assumptions. But now that doesn't work in the reverse, it thematically set up to be that way. Even the characters dialog with specific human connections are said in such a way to avoid all that entirely. You can't ignore it, its to ingrained into the setting.

My suggestion with the two worlds thing is to just deal with it as we come across it. It feels like sonic is going in a different direction, see where it goes. Because its to prominent to ignore. Its giant fishing purple cat in the room screaming about frogs, we don't have the power to direct it so we can at least see where it goes to deal with the problem.

56 minutes ago, Splash the Otter said:

I don't think we've seen the last of Infinite. He's too cool to just abandon like that!

I have issues with infinite to be fair. But my issues aren't why I think he's gone. I just don't think sega got out of that character what they wanted. Its very clear they wanted infinite and forces to be a different game and what they had to make they don't seem to be particularly proud of and imagine that character is a weird mutation of what they saw that character from the beginning. Whether it just be through lack of dev time, or the ability to make the game they wanted , or just looking at the character for a while realizing he ain't that great but its too far gone now ( I think its bit of everything but that's me ).

I just think they wanna move on.

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48 minutes ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

While its true that they've indeed specified that Blaze is from another dimension and Silver is from the future (even providing the number of years in an actual game instead of in a comic or a character profile, finally) they're still very much not in tune with ironing out the specifics behind their characters.

How so?

Also, was that not clarified before TSR?

1 hour ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

It's certainly a little better now that where they're from has been sorted out and they seem a little reluctant to use the most confusing component about the two them, which is Eggman Nega (it's weird because they still gave him his own 25th anniversary comic and he was still in the Rio Olympics, so he hasn't been scrapped either) but it's usually important for things about a character and their state of being to be a bit more clear.

Dr. Nega is at least a case where they stopped using Silver and especially Blaze in major appearances on top of doing other things with spacetime continuum less, so they haven't had reason to put him in another major game.

1 hour ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

 

That's why I feel it best to ignore the two worlds thing and treat it like Iizuka's odd little headcanon until it actually affects something within the plot. In Forces there were way more animals then there used to be but that doesn't negate the idea that humans could still be living there. Vice-Versa for something like Unleashed. Eggman is a human and he's in Forces. Sonic's an animal and he's in Unleashed. We don't have any reason to assume they're just in areas populated by more of one kind of species.

He did also mention that Sonic and Eggman among others are able to travel between the two, though.

1 hour ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

. The game never tells us this isn't the case and no one has any real reason to assume otherwise. No one outside of the informed part of the Sonic fanbase probably even knows about it and still thinks they all take place on the same planet because it was just something talked about in an interview they never read. 

It's weird because they're making decisions that only people who DO care about the story and lore would make. It really does feel like they're just super bad at it. Either that or they can't decide on something as a group. They probably need to just get ONE person to iron this all out and be the guy who keeps the lore and character stuff in check. 

Hm, fair point.

 

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1 hour ago, DabigRG said:

How so?

Also, was that not clarified before TSR?

I just explained how so. I also said where it was clarified outside of TSR in that same sentence.

1 hour ago, DabigRG said:

He did also mention that Sonic and Eggman among others are able to travel between the two, though.

It doesn't matter. That doesn't change the fact that we haven't seen it happen and have been presented with no reason within any of the game's plots to believe it is.

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3 hours ago, Shadowlax said:

I feel as though the issue with tyring to pretend its iizuka's head canon unlike everything else there is are actual consequences of this thematically. Example " Shadow can't do chaos control with out chaos emeralds " not only was that not like inline with how the games presented he obviously changed his mind because he's doing more now. You can just ignore it, because the games actively contradict it untill iizuka goes with the flow so to speak.

This is inline with presentation. That's the issue. You can pretend no humans are around, but then it brings up the question " What happened to gun " even harder, but more so what happened to the space colony arc. because you go to space in that game and that would most likely be in the orbit of the planet. But lets say you ignore all that, maybe the arc was conviently out of frame  and iizuka forgot eggman pissed on the moon and broke it . You go all over the world in that game, you save the whole world in that game. You telling me there was just no humans no where? No, they don't exist. When it was the other way around, your characters were the animals and had houses shit and it was mostly humans so you could make the assumptions. But now that doesn't work in the reverse, it thematically set up to be that way. Even the characters dialog with specific human connections are said in such a way to avoid all that entirely. You can't ignore it, its to ingrained into the setting.

Eh, again, I'm not sure the "just doesn't/won't exist" mantra is really a warranted one, never mind an empirical one.

It's really down to the developers and writers not being great to remembering and/or taking into account the implication of everything that came before. Forces in particular is clearly made of them having a few decent to good ideas that they just threw together into a final product that's more about looking intense than having much of a value to rate it with.

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I find the 2 worlds thing interesting just purely for how convoluted it is. I know you can nitpick the idea that every Sonic game takes place on one Mobius, with the stated inconsistencies of games like Adventures 1 and 2 and Unleashed against the likes of Heroes and Forces, but I don't really see why you can't just say it takes place on one Mobius with say different continents. Perhaps it doesn't hold under a huge amount of scrutiny, but then alot of Sonic's continuity doesn't really hold up that much either if you really think about it for too long with the sheer number of spin-off games.

I just find it all abit weird and a bit half assed I suppose. Why the two worlds thing? Why the insistence on defining characters like Team Hooligan as "classic" only, if half the classics characters are both "classic" and "modern". Why is Zavok sticking around despite seemingly noone wanting him around, and what about the other Deadly members? Why no explanation about the Wisps appearing all the time now? If Silver and Blaze are going to remain as recurring elements, why not just have them like in Sonic's world? It wouldn't take much of a stretch considering Blaze doesn't have any friends in her place - except Marine, but who would want to live with her - and Silver's future sucks... maybe? Again, as far as we know, why can't he just live in Sonic's world? You could even give him the excuse of saying he has to stay in Sonic's time so that he can make the future good, like what they are doing with Silver in IDW right now.

Honestly, if Sonic Team wants to genuinely make Sonic a coherent universe, they should probably just do at the very least a soft reboot. Otherwise you're just piling on the problems in my opinion.

 

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It's weird because they're making decisions that only people who DO care about the story and lore would make. It really does feel like they're just super bad at it. Either that or they can't decide on something as a group. They probably need to just get ONE person to iron this all out and be the guy who keeps the lore and character stuff in check. 

They dont want that so they can keep their narratives free. Though in doing so , its often contradictory and nothing and doesn't endear you to the characters that they are still trying to sell to you . But its what they feel is the correct way to go so , here we are.

 

1 hour ago, Silvereyes said:



I just find it all abit weird and a bit half assed I suppose. Why the two worlds thing? Why the insistence on defining characters like Team Hooligan as "classic" only, if half the classics characters are both "classic" and "modern". Why is Zavok sticking around despite seemingly noone wanting him around, and what about the other Deadly members? Why no explanation about the Wisps appearing all the time now? If Silver and Blaze are going to remain as recurring elements, why not just have them like in Sonic's world? It wouldn't take much of a stretch considering Blaze doesn't have any friends in her place - except Marine, but who would want to live with her - and Silver's future sucks... maybe? Again, as far as we know, why can't he just live in Sonic's world? You could even give him the excuse of saying he has to stay in Sonic's time so that he can make the future good, like what they are doing with Silver in IDW right now.

The branding has changed and they are trying to go in a direction while not trying to committing full in on some sort of reboot

1 hour ago, Silvereyes said:

Honestly, if Sonic Team wants to genuinely make Sonic a coherent universe, they should probably just do at the very least a soft reboot. Otherwise you're just piling on the problems in my opinion.

 

I agree

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5 hours ago, Psycho_Jack said:

Any interesting bits of info from the latest bumblekast?

Its that even if Tails mentioned his Cocoa Island adventure in the twitter takeover, its still in the classic universe.

I noticed we never see references to the classic games even the big 3. The earliest reference in IDW is SA1.

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12 hours ago, Silvereyes said:

I find the 2 worlds thing interesting just purely for how convoluted it is. I know you can nitpick the idea that every Sonic game takes place on one Mobius, with the stated inconsistencies of games like Adventures 1 and 2 and Unleashed against the likes of Heroes and Forces, but I don't really see why you can't just say it takes place on one Mobius with say different continents. Perhaps it doesn't hold under a huge amount of scrutiny, but then alot of Sonic's continuity doesn't really hold up that much either if you really think about it for too long with the sheer number of spin-off games.

Honestly, all the two worlds thing does so far is help them not include characters like Team Dark & sometimes Knuckles if they don't want to and set the stage for Forces to have nothing but Mobian NPCs within the Resistance.

It's all about convenience.

12 hours ago, Silvereyes said:

 Why the insistence on defining characters like Team Hooligan as "classic" only, if half the classics characters are both "classic" and "modern". 

Because they wanna make Classic it's own sub-series to finally capitalize on it's renowned success.

I'm guessing SEGA knows good well that people like those guys and want them back in games again. I know at least Fang came up at some point to them and they mentioned that while he is a fun character, he sorta filled a niche that's also occupied by Rouge. So sequestering them off on that end ensures they keep that contextual existence popular and distinct.

Which is funny, considering they've had a bad habit of overly crossing over with the Modern/Dreamcast brand for a while, but whaddyagonnado?

12 hours ago, Silvereyes said:

Why is Zavok sticking around despite seemingly noone wanting him around, and what about the other Deadly members?

The two big reasons I have theorized are due to him being easy to use and someone within SonicTeam just really liking him.

Personally, I don't mind him sticking around--what I do mind is that they haven't done much of legit substance with him, In addition to not really using the others of course.

12 hours ago, Silvereyes said:

Why no explanation about the Wisps appearing all the time now?

 

Oh they did: basically, some of the Wisps took a liking to Sonic & his world and so decided to stick around.  And out of universe, they saw value in keeping them around as recurring power-ups.

The problem is that they delayed on actually explaining this until I think Sonic Runners, which seemingly takes place on the Lost Hex anyway. So, uh, oops.

Again, I don't really care outside of the fact that a) they didn't do much to establish/explain initially and b) they have been in just about everything lately. I'm fine with Forces, Team Sonic Racing, and by extension Runners, but Lost World ran into problem a.

12 hours ago, Silvereyes said:

 If Silver and Blaze are going to remain as recurring elements, why not just have them like in Sonic's world? It wouldn't take much of a stretch considering Blaze doesn't have any friends in her place - except Marine, but who would want to live with her - and Silver's future sucks... maybe? Again, as far as we know, why can't he just live in Sonic's world? You could even give him the excuse of saying he has to stay in Sonic's time so that he can make the future good, like what they are doing with Silver in IDW right now.

 

Silver and Blaze keep showing up because they're probably the most recently popular and thus are a shoe-in for spinoffs, certain big plots, and other fanservicey things. For better or worse.

Which has just been a lot as of late. 

 

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They're alike in that they're both treasure hunters whose defining vice is greed. Granted Rouge also has love interest, power house, super spy, and shadow's keeper going on, but she started with a similar archetype and grew out from it.  

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54 minutes ago, Cuz said:

They're alike in that they're both treasure hunters whose defining vice is greed. Granted Rouge also as love interest, power house, super spy, and shadow's keeper going on, but she started with a similar archetype and grow out from it.  

I mean I guess? I just I dunno greed isnt defining trait to the degree in which she's bad unlike the hooligans are willing to be. Outside of a single ian Flynn interpretation she's largely a portrayed as a good guy. I feel as though considering the hooligans are bad guys seemingly there's room for both. I don't think they are that similar, I always took the hooligans as goons for hire if anything.

Also hey you gotta keep with the lore. She isnt shadows anything, they aren't friends really or a team. So sayeth lord sonic team, forget the stuff you think you know

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30 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

 Outside of a single ian Flynn interpretation she's largely a portrayed as a good guy.

It's worth nothing that Bean and Bark weren't initially bad guys either until Ian popularized them as such. 

I agree there is room for both for the same reason you just gave, and given Sonic's sparse rogues galley. Never the less, that's usually the train of thought that gets used to shutdown any dreams of fang's revival.

That and toting around a gun in a series aimed at kids, I mean that's Shadow's thing. 

and I was being candid in calling her "Shadow's keeper". 😛

 

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37 minutes ago, Cuz said:

It's worth nothing that Bean and Bark weren't initially bad guys either until Ian popularized them as such. 

I agree there is room for both for the same reason you just gave, and given Sonic's sparse rogues galley. Never the less, that's usually the train of thought that gets used to shutdown any dreams of fang's revival.

That and toting around a gun in a series aimed at kids, I mean that's Shadow's thing. 

and I was being candid in calling her "Shadow's keeper". 😛

 

 

To the hooligans it would be nice for sonic and co to have a normal rogues gallery outside of monster that needs to die, confused character who will become good, character who come back but will be trashed and Dr. Eggman. It's why I find the the idea of thdisappointing. Being thrown away and what's become of the d6 mildly dissapointing.

You gonna focus on animal planet? Sure, give us characters both good and bad to flesh it out

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3 hours ago, Shadowlax said:

How do rouge and fang fit in the same niche

What those two said.

The only thing is that the treasure hunting aspect doesn't really come up anymore and Rouge is more generally a cardcarrying jewel thief either way. 

2 hours ago, Shadowlax said:

Outside of a single ian Flynn interpretation she's largely a portrayed as a good guy.

Ken Penders.

Anyway

2 hours ago, Shadowlax said:

I mean I guess? I just I dunno greed isnt defining trait to the degree in which she's bad unlike the hooligans are willing to be. Outside of a single ian Flynn interpretation she's largely a portrayed as a good guy. I feel as though considering the hooligans are bad guys seemingly there's room for both. I don't think they are that similar, I always took the hooligans as goons for hire if anything.

Also hey you gotta keep with the lore. She isnt shadows anything, they aren't friends really or a team. So sayeth lord sonic team, forget the stuff you think you know

Yeah, the catch is that Fang is greedy in the basic sense, whereas Rouge is presumably more kleptomaniacal. Add in that he is a overconfident klutz with a gun compared to a obfuscatingly flirty jill of all trades and they are pretty different characters.

 

Plus, there's also the Babylon Rogues, or at least Jet.

2 hours ago, Cuz said:

It's worth nothing that Bean and Bark weren't initially bad guys either until Ian popularized them as such. 

I agree there is room for both for the same reason you just gave, and given Sonic's sparse rogues galley. Never the less, that's usually the train of thought that gets used to shutdown any dreams of fang's revival.

That and toting around a gun in a series aimed at kids, I mean that's Shadow's thing. 

and I was being candid in calling her "Shadow's keeper". 😛

 

Yeah, apparently.

1 hour ago, Shadowlax said:

 

To the hooligans it would be nice for sonic and co to have a normal rogues gallery outside of monster that needs to die, confused character who will become good, character who come back but will be trashed and Dr. Eggman. It's why I find the the idea of thdisappointing. Being thrown away and what's become of the d6 mildly dissapointing.

You gonna focus on animal planet? Sure, give us characters both good and bad to flesh it out

Might wanna doublecheck your sentences near the end there, lax.

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2 hours ago, Ellipsis-Ultima said:

So here's another sneak peek of Tangle and Whisper- in video format!

E: more stuff from Twitter:

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Angry Whisper is cuute

Does Whisper have to shoot a bitch?

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I listened to BumbleKast 89(?; it was BumbleKwest or whatever) last night and heard a few things.

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    • The next issue is more or less the Cream & Gemerl issue, with Chocola and Vanilla being hinted at
      • Something he didn't say and neither shall I
    • Rough n Tumble, Whisper, Jewel(?), and possibly Dr. Starline are likely in their midteens to early twenties like the rest of the cast  
    • Null Mind and Cortez are likely not gonna be in IDW 
      • Null is similar to something that is/will happen
      • Cortez was context heavy to Antoine's backstory and probably won't be retooled since he'd be a different character at that point 
    • Gardon may appear if we get a story in Blaze's World

     

    Also I listened to a different one a little while ago and remember this much

Spoiler

Don't expect things like the Magic Hands

 

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31 minutes ago, DabigRG said:

Also I listened to a different one a little while ago and remember this much

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Don't expect things like the Magic Hands

 

I don't why anyone wouldn't expect that, but there ya go.

Something to look forward to, I guess.

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A bio for Tangle was posted on the Facebook Group and an interview with Evan Stanley.

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If you're excited for Tangle & Whisper in July, here's an interview with artist Evan Stanley!

Sonic looks a little off. Is he sick or something?

I dunno, but something fishy is definitely going on...

Is there anything that didn't make the final cut or had to be redrawn?

There's almost always a few things that don't make it into the final issue. When Tangle's around I tend to have too much fun with her expressions, and have to reel it back a little!

If Whisper's hunting Sonic, does that mean that she and Tangle are going to... tangle?

You better believe it! I'm not sure Tangle's ready to take on a hardened warrior like Whisper, but she'll certainly try!

And now for a more personal question. Which person or event in your life encouraged you to begin drawing?

The first person who introduced me to the idea that art could and should be something I pursue in earnest was my middle-school homeschool teacher, Peg Edwards. I didn't start off with cartooning; Peg is a scientific illustrator as well as a teacher, and she held classes for her artistically-inclined students to train them in traditional illustration techniques and learn about natural history. I remember spending hours learning how to create photo-real graphite renderings, then running outside to hunt for fossilized shark's teeth and prehistoric whalebone in her backyard. Though the work I do now is very different, her love of the craft and the inspiration she took from the wider world has never left me.

What’s the most challenging aspect of working with such a beloved franchise?

The trickiest part is that it is such a beloved franchise, with such an enormous legacy. How do I find my voice and look, and create something new and interesting? Can I innovate while also staying true to what makes this world and its characters special? It may seem like I'm overthinking it, but the Sonic franchise has played a huge role in my life. I want to do what I can to make stories that can be a force for good in other people's lives, too.

Since there is such a large number of Sonic fan artists out there, I want to ask you this. What is the number one thing that a fan artist can do to improve their craft?

I have a term I made up for something I do to help myself: tangential enthusiasm. As a fan of something, it's easy to invest a ton of time an energy into learning and consuming every facet of that thing. Tons of people have become impressive scholars of entirely fictional universes, but don't know how to move beyond the material directly connected to their story-world of choice. This can lead to creative frustration and stagnation. My advice to fans who want to continue learning and creating is to look at the world around them and consider how exploring the wider world can enrich not only their skills, but their understanding and enjoyment of whatever their particular fandom is. It's not a betrayal or a departure; everything you learn can be brought back to what you already love, and make it even better. There's all kinds of wild connections out there, just waiting to be made. Fan art is real art, and you do yourself a disservice when you don't treat it as such.

 

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7 hours ago, DabigRG said:

I listened to BumbleKast 89(?; it was BumbleKwest or whatever) last night and heard a few things.

  •   Hide contents

     

    • The next issue is more or less the Cream & Gemerl issue, with Chocola and Vanilla being hinted at
      • Something he didn't say and neither shall I
    • Rough n Tumble, Whisper, Jewel(?), and possibly Dr. Starline are likely in their midteens to early twenties like the rest of the cast  
    • Null Mind and Cortez are likely not gonna be in IDW 
      • Null is similar to something that is/will happen
      • Cortez was context heavy to Antoine's backstory and probably won't be retooled since he'd be a different character at that point 
    • Gardon may appear if we get a story in Blaze's World

     

     

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Don't expect things like the Magic Hands

 

Spoiler

I think the Octopus girl is gonna be what Null Mind was supposed to be before that issue got scrapped.

 

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September solicitations are out!

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STH #21

Ian Flynn (w) • Tracy Yardley (a) • Aaron Hammerstrom (c)

"The Last Minute," Part One! To contain the Metal Virus, the Restoration must split up! In this issue, as Tails researches a cure for the Metal Virus, his lab comes under attack by Zombots. With Whisper and Tangle out saving as many civilians as they can, will Tails withstand the siege and find the cure—or will the whole world fall?

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Tangle & Whisper #3

Ian Flynn (w) • Evan Stanley (a & c)

"Betrayal." The origin of Whisper the Wolf is revealed! All your (and Tangle's) questions answered! Where did her Wisps come from? How did she get her Variable Wispon? Why does she hate Eggman so much? And who betrayed her?

THEY GOT CHEESE

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