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Omega was gold, as always (maybe a bit less organic that before, but still as Omega as before).

 

Some spoilerz

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Welp, seems that Shadow had to much of an ego here. We're kinda back to pre-2006 Shadow, and I'm not sure it's totally a good thing, but… I kinda like it. It add a weakness to a character that could level everybody else without that. I especially kinda like that he couldn't even think of "being infected". It's pretty logical as he is supposed to be the ultimate life form. For us who know this is a story, it's obvious that he will because it's what make the most sense in a meta way (and even that, we were a lot to say that it should be impossible, so it makes perfectly sense that he know he can't). TBH I hope they'll add a reason that he seems to really dislike run (and that's not just ego here, TBH my idiotic headcanon is that despite what he says, he still have a big case of Maria traumatism and refuse giving up a fight because of that).

I kinda liked how he was angry at Sonic for the invasion though. It wasn't just "I told you so" (I knew that it wouldn't, but I liked it anyway), it was really Shadow being angry of the situation because of Sonic. And I liked that it make Sonic doubt of the situation, and it make think that it's why Eggman will kinda help at the end.

 

15 hours ago, Shadowlax said:

Because that's not a personality really. That's a goal. And he isn't serious, he's a robot and largely devoid of personality.

TBH, he is for me way more interesting than Archie!Gemerl for one single thing : he is learning. Archie!Gemerl took the idea that his whole "learning to be more empathetic" was learn. Here is is making "robo-sentance", but he is working through a lot of thing. He have a goal, but he is learning the way to do it. He act logically yet is able to learn empathetic things, and even to say "sorry". For me he even have a more interesting personnality because of that. He isn't just yet-another-Sonic-clone-that-even-have-his-personnality, he is kinda more complicated with a lot to learn and making progress. Which make him a more "real" character than the older version. Having a personnality isn't just having some quirks and making sentances that looks human. It's way more the capacity to evolve and stuff. I'm not against "quirky characters" though.

 

( And there is the fact that making him keep Emerl data is kinda dumb for me, as much as could have been Chaos Gamma if it was "really Gamma". Let the dead character be dead. )

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9 minutes ago, Marco9966 said:

Instead of having Shadow having to defend civilians and accidentally get infected, he jumps into the horde and then refuses to run like Sonic to clear the virus. Bad writing for shadoe

Not necessarily. Shadow is often more offensive that defensive in his way of acting, so "defending" directly the civilian doesn't really make sense with how he act (he act way more as "the best defense is attacking"). A bit part of Shadow personality have always been "figthing until the very end" (it's even a bit mentionned in Sonic 2006 in his final dialogue", and IIRC in some of his theme song too ?).The "he don't run" mean a lot with him that he want to fight no matter what . This time it wasn't a good idea, but a lot of times, his powers and capacity made it worth it, and is related that he never shown a lot of respect for his own well-being or even a tad of sense of preservation. It's not unlike how in Battle he basically managed to make his condition go worse each time he could. Shadow is reckless and sure of his resilience, it's just that we tend to forget that as 2006 added a lot the "quiet" thing to his personality (and now that I mention it, all character are way more "quiet" and "passive" in 2006). That's why I think that they are going full pre-2006 with him. He remind me also a bit of SonicX!Shadow too.

A character being "stupid" isn't « bad writing » in itself, especially when his action have roots in his personality and when the action serve to say something. (I would add that a lot of people have "dumb moment", especially in dire situations, but I think that it's less important than saying something with it)

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16 minutes ago, StaticMania said:

Does Sonic tell Shadow that running with stall the virus?

If he does and Shadow doesn't run anyway...then that would be bad writing.

If he doesn't...then that would be bad writing.

Somebody suggested a page or two ago that that wouldn’t work for Shadow because his speed, unlike Sonic, is not physical (aided by his air shoes).

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I think this will piss off a lot of folks, for sure, Ian knows that, damn it! Lol, he really wants to mess with us.

Can we talk without spoiler tags at this point? You guys already spoiled the twist.

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spoiler tagged for now…

That is Shadow alright. Eh. But yeah, it is kinda disappointing and simple, but I'm shocked, I didn't expect this, everyone expected Shadow to protect Rouge or something, so a surprise is a nice thing but it all happened in 2 seconds. Why?

Also more things I didn't like:

- Female characters are always strategic leader types? First Sally, then Amy and now Rouge? I'd like them to be more of a fighter type.

- No Team Dark interactions, =( bummer, I really wanted to see the trio team up and talk, I think they are wonderful together. Instead the focus is on Sonic and Shadow again.

…Which I don't mind, they both make mistakes, but I just wanted some Team Dark action here.

I'm so curious as to whether Shadow has control now that he's a zombot or not.

 

Point is, everyone would have loved to see Shadow go out protecting his team mates, but that is the point, it would have been fucking predictable. Not a fan of what happened either, just surprised.

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Can't say I'm a fan of pre-2006 Shadow.  I get he's a gruff, unfriendly character but to portray him as a huge arrogant asshole with zero care for the fate of his allies flies in the face of any character development he could have had.

ALSO (minor spoilers):

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Plus him basically saying he wants his longtime rival and ally to die/succumb to his infection is regressing his character.  Pretty weak. I hope he has at least some redemption there.  They're rivals but it's a complex and tense relation with a hint of mutual respect, and up until now he did a good job with Shadows past appearances on this aspect at least with IDW.  I dont want Shadow to go back to a huge morally directionless, unlikable empathy void again.

This is really bothering me and will bug me till the next issue when I can hopefully get some releif...

I'm dissapointed.  Shadow is a more complex character than that. 

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It's this like this that make me wonder if ian hates this character

Someone mentioned a lack of some characters interacting, that just seems like some Sega meddling

1 hour ago, Tangled Jack said:

I think this will piss off a lot of folks, for sure, Ian knows that, damn it! Lol, he really wants to mess with us.

Can we talk without spoiler tags at this point? You guys already spoiled the twist.

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spoiler tagged for now…

That is Shadow alright. Eh. But yeah, it is kinda disappointing and simple, but I'm shocked, I didn't expect this, everyone expected Shadow to protect Rouge or something, so a surprise is a nice thing but it all happened in 2 seconds. Why?

Also more things I didn't like:

- Female characters are always strategic leader types? First Sally, then Amy and now Rouge? I'd like them to be more of a fighter type.

- No Team Dark interactions, =( bummer, I really wanted to see the trio team up and talk, I think they are wonderful together. Instead the focus is on Sonic and Shadow again.

…Which I don't mind, they both make mistakes, but I just wanted some Team Dark action here.

I'm so curious as to whether Shadow has control now that he's a zombot or not.

 

Point is, everyone would have loved to see Shadow go out protecting his team mates, but that is the point, it would have been fucking predictable. Not a fan of what happened either, just surprised.

It will take predictable and good and the way I like the character instead of trying to subvert expectations and shit on everything.

 

 

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2 hours ago, StaticMania said:

Does Sonic tell Shadow that running with stall the virus?

If he does and Shadow doesn't run anyway...then that would be bad writing.

If he doesn't...then that would be bad writing.

He tells him,but Shadows doesn't run because "cowards run" 😑

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I legit could have dealt with the entire thing if it wasn't some " Cowards Run " shit. Like yo maybe I could like suggest that sega meddled or something, but even Ruby Eclipse the guy writing the parody twitter shit had the understanding to not do anything like that. Even the non canon racing game had the understanding to not do anything like that. That just seems like the manifest station of Ian trying to make them antagonistic and it didn't work... again. Maybe sega needs to come in and literally force Ian to write shadow a different way...again.

1 hour ago, Kuzu the Boloedge said:

Yea, Shadow wasnt being smart here. Sonic tells him to not touch anybody, and that he can burn off the virus with his speed. But he's all "FUCK YOU, I'M THE PRINCE OF SAI- THE ULTIMATE LIFEFORM" and then acts surprised when he gets infected and refuses to run to get rid of the virus after Rouge tells him to.

I'm all for characters being flawed if it leads to interesting circumstances, but this is Shadow being blatantly stupid for the sake of moving the plot along.

I'm only gonna do this once. And I think its thematically appropriate.'

Shadow in the previous Year of our lord : Fuck My development I'm bout to end this man's whole career and his life, despite literally seeing the value in working with him multiple times. And being friends with a government entity that could just hold him up for the time being. Also I don't talk to my friends.

Me last Year: Yo shadow seems like they are writing him for the story to happen not his character and that's a bad way to write him. This already seems not great

Internet People: Nah you just mad because shadow isn't morally aligned the way you want him to and not perfect. Its nothing wrong you are being a giant nerd, and its just a different interpretation

Shadow in this current year of lord: Fuck my development , I am strongest man. I don't talk to my " friends " other than to give them instruction. Let me jump in literal poison.

Internet people: WTF they are just writing this character to progress a narrative

Me:

 

QmLS5oh.png

 

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17 minutes ago, DK' said:

Sorry, may you confirm me something?

Do those who have already seen the issue bought it?

Don't see why they wouldn't have bought it. Digital formats can release as early as midnight, and outside the US the shops are open in a lot of places already ( for example I'm writing this from the FP I purchase my comics from. I'll have it in a few minutes).

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The "cowards run" is legit the only sentance that annoy me, because it's really cliché. All the rest makes sense for me with his character and how he was depicted in many story. He should have been a bit more about "I don't care about myself", but the action in themselves were kinda logical with the context and how he have acted before.

8 minutes ago, DK' said:

Do those who have already seen the issue bought it? 

Bought on comixology, he is already available.

2 hours ago, AphexPhreak said:
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Plus him basically saying he wants his longtime rival and ally to die/succumb to his infection is regressing his character.  Pretty weak. I hope he has at least some redemption there.  They're rivals but it's a complex and tense relation with a hint of mutual respect, and up until now he did a good job with Shadows past appearances on this aspect at least with IDW.  I dont want Shadow to go back to a huge morally directionless, unlikable empathy void again. 

This is really bothering me and will bug me till the next issue when I can hopefully get some releif...

 

 

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I really disagree on that one. Him saying that Sonic "deserving it" was :

- Knowing that Sonic is somehow able to resist it, maybe not with all the details if Tails haven't said everything (as it seems to be public knowledge to the Team Dark as Rouge already know that he is infected without being really specially stressed by it. So for him it's not a "he wants him to die/succomb to the infection".

- He see Sonic as basically the cause of all this, and thus act like "you played with fire, you got burned, serve you right".

- Sonic greeted him with a joke in the whole center of an apocalypse, and then happen to act like "but I was also affected by it" when Shadow was angry about that… TBH that comeback was pretty deserved.

Sure, he wasn't being nice… But I don't expect a "I respect your choice of not killing Eggman" in such a context. If it was a small invasion or just some common Eggman shenanigans, it would be simple enough to show how the vision are conflicting.

 

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23 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

I legit could have dealt with the entire thing if it wasn't some " Cowards Run " shit. Like yo maybe I could like suggest that sega meddled or something, but even Ruby Eclipse the guy writing the parody twitter shit had the understanding to not do anything like that. Even the non canon racing game had the understanding to not do anything like that. That just seems like the manifest station of Ian trying to make them antagonistic and it didn't work... again. Maybe sega needs to come in and literally force Ian to write shadow a different way...again.

I'm only gonna do this once. And I think its thematically appropriate.'

Shadow in the previous Year of our lord : Fuck My development I'm bout to end this man's whole career and his life, despite literally seeing the value in working with him multiple times. And being friends with a government entity that could just hold him up for the time being. Also I don't talk to my friends.

Me last Year: Yo shadow seems like they are writing him for the story to happen not his character and that's a bad way to write him. This already seems not great

Internet People: Nah you just mad because shadow isn't morally aligned the way you want him to and not perfect. Its nothing wrong you are being a giant nerd, and its just a different interpretation

Shadow in this current year of lord: Fuck my development , I am strongest man. I don't talk to my " friends " other than to give them instruction. Let me jump in literal poison.

Internet people: WTF they are just writing this character to progress a narrative

Me:

 

QmLS5oh.png

 

You're comparing two different situations and they're not even remotely similar, just so you can pretend to have some false sense of superiority. Because you're basically saying "Haha, I was right, I told you so" Go back to elementary school with this childish shit.

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17 minutes ago, Kuzu the Boloedge said:

You're comparing two different situations and they're not even remotely similar, just so you can pretend to have some false sense of superiority. Because you're basically saying "Haha, I was right, I told you so" Go back to elementary school with this childish shit.

I'm not pretending to have anything superior to anything. Its a fun comic for children and that would be a weird claim to my superiority. I'm teasing, that's it.

I called last it year and i'm being funny about it. It ain't that serious. It sucks, the writing sucks right now, but it ain't that serious. And I do not think the situations are dissimulator, ya'll are using the exact same language. I dunno it ain't that serious,  given the reaction on the internet so far Ian might go back to the drawing board with shadow...again. It is what it is.

Shrugs

 

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I didn't read the comic, I'm just reading your comments here,

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though from what I'm reading I've got a feel that this is going to turn out like Majin Vegeta during the Majin Buu arc:

"I got corrupted on purpose to become stronger, but I'm too strong to let the corruption take over me, so I'm still sentient and I can take advantage of the new powers". Maybe?

 

Also, too bad that people seem to not like Gemerl, I hope he gets better writing in the future, because I'd rather have him rewritten than having him scrapped at all, I appreciated that they decided to bring him back from the oblivion of the forgotten characters.

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