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12 minutes ago, Iko said:

I didn't read the comic, I'm just reading your comments here,

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though from what I'm reading I've got a feel that this is going to turn out like Majin Vegeta during the Majin Buu arc:

"I got corrupted on purpose to become stronger, but I'm too strong to let the corruption take over me, so I'm still sentient and I can take advantage of the new powers". Maybe?

 

Also, too bad that people seem to not like Gemerl, I hope he gets better writing in the future, because I'd rather have him rewritten than having him scrapped at all, I appreciated that they decided to bring him back from the oblivion of the forgotten characters.

I don't think he would get scrapped? Like he isn't around much in the first place, why would they just scrap him?

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Im gonna say one more thing, and then i'm done.

Some folks are saying shadow is now " pre-06" that was my thought last year, but I would like to edit this. This shadow is as if Sonic Adventure 2 didn't happen and maria didn't exist. Now if this is an really wanting shadow to be antagonistic for the sake of his own preferences hopefully he gets criticism that causes him to stop doing it...again. If it actually is corporate meddling, that confirms some theories I have.

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4 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

Im gonna say one more thing, and then i'm done.

Some folks are saying shadow is now " pre-06" that was my thought last year, but I would like to edit this. This shadow is as if Sonic Adventure 2 didn't happen and maria didn't exist. Now if this is an really wanting shadow to be antagonistic for the sake of his own preferences hopefully he gets criticism that causes him to stop doing it...again. If it actually is corporate meddling, that confirms some theories I have.

Considering,how there seems to be no human character and G.U.N. doesn't seem to exist anymore,I'm starting to fear that Maria never existed in this canon

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1 hour ago, Shadowlax said:

I'm not pretending to have anything superior to anything. Its a fun comic for children and that would be a weird claim to my superiority. I'm teasing, that's it.

I called last it year and i'm being funny about it. It ain't that serious. It sucks, the writing sucks right now, but it ain't that serious. And I do not think the situations are dissimulator, ya'll are using the exact same language. I dunno it ain't that serious,  given the reaction on the internet so far Ian might go back to the drawing board with shadow...again. It is what it is.

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I've seen too many of your posts to believe that you're just "teasing", so I already know that's a lie.

You're trying to justify your attitude by (wrongfully) comparing what you said about a previous issue to what's being said now, simply because nobody agreed with you before. 

Its blatantly childish. And if you didn't care or felt it wasn't that serious, you wouldn't have felt the need to type all of that out to begin with and just left it alone.

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12 minutes ago, Kuzu the Boloedge said:

I've seen too many of your posts to believe that you're just "teasing", so I already know that's a lie.

I am but ok.

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You're trying to justify your attitude by (wrongfully) comparing what you said about a previous issue to what's being said now, simply because nobody agreed with you before.

I'm making a funny about a previous time because I thought it was funny.

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Its blatantly childish. And if you didn't care or felt it wasn't that serious, you wouldn't have felt the need to type all of that out to begin with and just left it alone.

Or I thought of a joke, about something that happened last year. Typed out that joke and then it seemed like you were legitimately offended, so I tried to reassure you that I was not being serious nor did I think less of you or anyone else for disagreeing with me because I was trying to be nice.

" Haha remember when I said this " that was it, I literally wrote the original filled with memes and over exaggerating the situation because it was supposed to be funny. But ok, if you are legit offended or I made you feel bad or anything. I'm sorry.I didn't want to hurt your or anything , I was making a joke.

It was joke, I was joking .

26 minutes ago, Redbluethunder5 said:

Considering,how there seems to be no human character and G.U.N. doesn't seem to exist anymore,I'm starting to fear that Maria never existed in this canon

That's a bold claim. I mean at this point it makes sense. I mean if you want to know you can ask him yourself, he got a podcast and a patrion, we could just ask Ian if maria exists in this canon.

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3 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

I am but ok.

I'm making a funny about a previous time because I thought it was funny.

Or I thought of a joke, about something that happened last year. Typed out that joke and then it seemed like you were legitimately offended, so I tried to reassure you that I was not being serious nor did I think less of you or anyone else for disagreeing with me because I was trying to be nice.

" Haha remember when I said this " that was it, I literally wrote the original filled with memes and over exaggerating the situation because it was supposed to be funny. But ok, if you are legit offended or I made you feel bad or anything. I'm sorry.I didn't want to hurt your or anything , I was making a joke.

It was joke, I was joking .

That's a bold claim. I mean at this point it makes sense. I mean if you want to know you can ask him yourself, he got a podcast and a patrion, we could just ask Ian if maria exists in this canon.

It's just a theory and I hope I'm wrong about it

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37 minutes ago, Redbluethunder5 said:

Considering,how there seems to be no human character and G.U.N. doesn't seem to exist anymore,I'm starting to fear that Maria never existed in this canon

Two Worlds.

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That ^

I think that if Flynn bother talking about how there is a "Human World" in his podcast, we can consider that important human character "exists somewhere" (independantly of wether or not we will see the "Human World").

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22 minutes ago, Razule said:

Two Worlds.

 

19 minutes ago, Kazhnuz said:

That ^

I think that if Flynn bother talking about how there is a "Human World" in his podcast, we can consider that important human character "exists somewhere" (independantly of wether or not we will see the "Human World").

Two worlds can still exist and maria not exist

My original " It seems like SA2 and Maria never happened " doesn't discount the two worlds things, he's written as if those things never happened. His character as of currently is contradictory to...everything his character...is about. Now whether that game even happened is now in contention in my mind.

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TBH, Maria happening and Shadow being more of a jerk isn't really incompatible to me. That's a huge case of "good is not nice" tropes, but that's not really incompatible, especially with things in Sonic X, where he tended to shut himself a lot from other and stuff. Maria can still be his drive to protect the world and too fight for the goodç, but what he suffered might make him less open to other, and way more unforgiving. (It would for me make even more sense about why he is way more radical than Sonic : because protecting the world is more "personnal" for him). And that's a tropes we see in a lot of fiction : people that are really harsh, edgy and kinda anti-heroïc, but have a "morality pet" (alive or not) that make them do the "right choice". (something that bother me sometimes, when it's used to excuse horrible stuff, like for Severus Snape where his relationship with Lily is often used as a way to say "looks he is not a bad guy" #AngryHPFanRambling.)

Maybe you should elaborate more about how this would invalidate the "Maria" part of his backstory, because I really don't see it, and I would be pretty interested to understand better.

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44 minutes ago, Razule said:

Two Worlds.

So now all the humans moved into another world,since until recently the existed in the same world as them?

15 minutes ago, Kazhnuz said:

TBH, Maria happening and Shadow being more of a jerk isn't really incompatible to me. That's a huge case of "good is not nice" tropes, but that's not really incompatible, especially with things in Sonic X, where he tended to shut himself a lot from other and stuff. Maria can still be his drive to protect the world and too fight for the goodç, but what he suffered might make him less open to other, and way more unforgiving. (It would for me make even more sense about why he is way more radical than Sonic : because protecting the world is more "personnal" for him). And that's a tropes we see in a lot of fiction : people that are really harsh, edgy and kinda anti-heroïc, but have a "morality pet" (alive or not) that make them do the "right choice". (something that bother me sometimes, when it's used to excuse horrible stuff, like for Severus Snape where his relationship with Lily is often used as a way to say "looks he is not a bad guy" #AngryHPFanRambling.)

Maybe you should elaborate more about how this would invalidate the "Maria" part of his backstory, because I really don't see it, and I would be pretty interested to understand better.

Shadow developed since then and he cares about people,but now in the comic he doesn't

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15 minutes ago, Ernest the Panda said:

We know SA2 happened in some form because we’ve had flashbacks to it.


A version did , that doesn't garuntee maria or anything else happened the same way is what i'm saying.

 

21 minutes ago, Kazhnuz said:

TBH, Maria happening and Shadow being more of a jerk isn't really incompatible to me. That's a huge case of "good is not nice" tropes, but that's not really incompatible, especially with things in Sonic X, where he tended to shut himself a lot from other and stuff. Maria can still be his drive to protect the world and too fight for the goodç, but what he suffered might make him less open to other, and way more unforgiving. (It would for me make even more sense about why he is way more radical than Sonic : because protecting the world is more "personnal" for him). And that's a tropes we see in a lot of fiction : people that are really harsh, edgy and kinda anti-heroïc, but have a "morality pet" (alive or not) that make them do the "right choice". (something that bother me sometimes, when it's used to excuse horrible stuff, like for Severus Snape where his relationship with Lily is often used as a way to say "looks he is not a bad guy" #AngryHPFanRambling.)

Sonic X shouldn't be the basis for any characterization, and if you are doing that you already messed up.

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Maybe you should elaborate more about how this would invalidate the "Maria" part of his backstory, because I really don't see it, and I would be pretty interested to understand better.

And its not him being a jerk that's the issue. Shadow's an asshole, its why I like him. Its his decision making. In Sonic Adventure 2, the rawest version of this character, the one who is willing to blow up an entire planet over 1 person. He went out to try and save people even while being evil and saw the value in working together and didn't just go do shit by himself.  In Sonic adventure 2, the first game, and this only intensifies as his character continues throughout the series. Even if 06 never happened, at the end of shadow's game which a version of it did happen.  He learns this.

This is contradictory to shadow's character on a baseline. " Shadow will do anything to see his goals done " and that means working with someone he finds to be profoundly stupid because they caused the issue in the first place.  Maria's whole deal was to tell shadow to try and help people be better. But this is contradictory, this is him doing everything by himself not to keep everyone else safe but because he's " The best " which has never actually been a part of his characterization. His claim to being the " ultimate lifeforms " is often when used in more serious contexts a sign of his insecurities, he feels like he's a monster. This whole situation seems insanely out of character. Even the parody version of him from the twitter take over has more correct characterization than this .

I don't care if shadow's an asshole, that's the point. What I care about is that he's also a good person and generally has a pretty cool head on his shoulders and can actually do introspection. But there's none of that here, its just really fucking bad.

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I always enjoy when fans act like they wrote shadow.  People change, people struggle. Shadow struggles.  He tries to do right but he's not perfect. He has some pride and wants to protect others but not always in the right way. There's a reason Sega always bils him as an anti hero. They are not perfect  but he's trying his best also I'm sure he's upset he let eggman go but it's not eggman fault he's doing all this

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7 minutes ago, Meta77 said:

I always enjoy when fans act like they wrote shadow.  People change, people struggle. Shadow struggles.  He tries to do right but he's not perfect. He has some pride and wants to protect others but not always in the right way. There's a reason Sega always bils him as an anti hero. They are not perfect  but he's trying his best also I'm sure he's upset he let eggman go but it's not eggman fault he's doing all this

No one wants him to be perfect this is terrible. This legit goes against his base characterization.  Characters change but there's a base line to reference , the parts people like and there's nothing there.

1 minute ago, Diogenes said:

Overconfident lone wolf character gets punished for acting like an overconfident lone wolf, this is bad writing somehow? I really don't get these complaints.

Him being out of character is bad writing yeah

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3 minutes ago, Diogenes said:

Overconfident lone wolf character gets punished for acting like an overconfident lone wolf, this is bad writing somehow? I really don't get these complaints.

Because Shadow is supposed to have matured and developed: he is not that dumb! As soon as he saw he was infected he would have runned!

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To be fair, it isn’t that out there. Shadow basically doesn’t age and is immune to most diseases, because he was created to help cure Maria’s disease (assuming that’s still canon to the games/comics). 

So on one hand, I can kind of get why he wouldn’t run and claim it’s because he’s the Ultimate Lifeform, because to him so far, he’s been immune to any infections or diseases, but on the other hand, like if they could see the metal already beginning to develop around him, it becomes obvious that Shadow should’ve knew that wasn’t going to fly and had to run to save himself, otherwise it makes him look a bit stupid.

i can’t really say one way or the other til I see the issue proper though.

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8 minutes ago, Ryannumber1gamer said:

To be fair, it isn’t that out there. Shadow basically doesn’t age and is immune to most diseases, because he was created to help cure Maria’s disease (assuming that’s still canon to the games/comics). 

So on one hand, I can kind of get why he wouldn’t run and claim it’s because he’s the Ultimate Lifeform, because to him so far, he’s been immune to any infections or diseases, but on the other hand, like if they could see the metal already beginning to develop around him, it becomes obvious that Shadow should’ve knew that wasn’t going to fly and had to run to save himself, otherwise it makes him look a bit stupid.

i can’t really say one way or the other til I see the issue proper though.

Him thinking he would be fine is cool, that was actually a neat detail. Thars a good in character mistake! The decision made after that and the lines said is my issue

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1 minute ago, JosepHenry said:

A few pages ago I saw some people questioning if Ian hates Shadow...

.... Are you freaking kidding me? 

Did you guys forgot Sonic Universe? The thing that made Shadow 10 times more likable? Written by Ian Flynn?

I said that, that wasn't serious by the way. Its clear he doesn't care for him too much, but I don't think he hates him.

That said though you don't have to like or get a character to write them competently. And I have read plenty of good books by people who legit hate the character they are writing. You can actually get some genuinely interesting criticism sometimes when that happens. Or the thundercats reboot a while ago, that was really bad, but sometimes its pretty neat.

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