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19 minutes ago, Kuzu the Boloedge said:

You're still ignoring the fact that Shadow knows he can just run to stave off the virus, Sonic told him this. 

You're ignoring the in-universe logic that's at play here. I know what the story is trying to do, its HOW it did it that I have an issue with.

You're ignoring that Shadow is pissed at Sonic and doesn't want to listen to anything he has to say because he sees Sonic as the one responsible for all this. Shadow's too caught up in his own bullshit to admit that he's wrong, that he's vulnerable, that he can't deal with this by himself.

1 minute ago, MetalSkulkBane said:

3) Even after getting infected Shadow believes his Ultimate-Lifeform healing system can stop this, but it doesn't work. Shadow picks a risky route based on belief in his own greatness, rather than hopeless route (not from my perspective, from his. he knows staying is game over) based on stubbornness.

How is this not basically what actually happened? And how would we not just get people saying he's stupid for thinking his ULF-ness would protect him when he's already infected?

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2 minutes ago, Kuzu the Boloedge said:

Anyway, the ending aside, the issue was fine. Nice to see someone calling Sonic out on how this was technically his fault.

Was it fully him, though?  He *convinced* Shadow not to do it, he still had Mr Tinker by the cuff at one point.  He knew Sonic had a point in drawing comparisons to Shadow's past and decided against killing him.  He could have just done it anyways.

I kinda don't like people saying it's all Sonic's fault since he did act within his own reasoning and he also didn't know at ALL what was going to happen.  It's completely unfair for Shadow to fully blame him for this, but I get that he's mad about the situation.

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Art was good aside from the mouths, what's up with that anyway? I kind of dig the sunset filter, lol.

Anyway, I really wanted to see some Team Dark dynamic, these comics always feel so short, it's why sometimes characters don't get enough badass moments, although Shadow got them, and we haven't seen yet how being a Zombot affected him. You are all acting as he's some dumbass victim (in the story and metaphorically for Ian's writing), he could not be? I'm not sure right now.

I agree about creating drama, but plot kind of needs him, you really wanted Shadow to act just like another hero? Do I have to remind you that it's Shadow who fuels plots all the time to get things interesting? And he also fuels endless debates over here :P

Besides, Flynn already did this all the time in Archie, in "Total Eclipse", remember how Shadow and Knuckles were dicks to each other for no reason? I do.

So if you want to stop reading the book as somebody said, give up on the comic, it's not a problem at all, if you really want to exploit the negatives and treat this arc like it sucks, because to me it's awesome, it honestly keeps getting better after the first issues of normality.

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6 minutes ago, Diogenes said:

You're ignoring that Shadow is pissed at Sonic and doesn't want to listen to anything he has to say because he sees Sonic as the one responsible for all this. Shadow's too caught up in his own bullshit to admit that he's wrong, that he's vulnerable, that he can't deal with this by himself.

I find it incredibly hard to believe that the same person who's willing to work with Sonic regardless of the situation to save the world is also the same person who can't put his ego aside for the sake of self preservation, but whatever you seem to be ok with this.

Just saying there were just better ways they could have did this without making him look foolish.

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4 minutes ago, AphexPhreak said:

Was it fully him, though?  He *convinced* Shadow not to do it, he still had Mr Tinker by the cuff at one point.  He knew Sonic had a point in drawing comparisons to Shadow's past and decided against killing him.  He could have just done it anyways.

I kinda don't like people saying it's all Sonic's fault since he did act within his own reasoning and he also didn't know at ALL what was going to happen.  It's completely unfair for Shadow to fully blame him for this, but I get that he's mad about the situation.

I mean, I find it hard to blame Sonic for this, how was he meant to know that a evil Eggman fanboy who’s got hypnosis powers would suddenly appear to break Mr. Tinker and restore Eggman. Like yeah, technically if Sonic didn’t stop Shadow from murdering him, this wouldn’t have happened, but that’s just basically absolving Starline of his actions in this mess, despite the fact he’s the one who restored Eggman specifically for the purpose of having Eggman take over again.

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The art was legit fantastic.

 

1 minute ago, Tangled Jack said:

I agree about creating drama, but plot kind of needs him, you really wanted Shadow to act just like another hero? Do I have to remind you that it's Shadow who fuels plots all the time to get things interesting? And he also fuels endless debates over here :P

I dunno the plot was kinda interesting before that, this kinda took the wind out my sails so to speak.

1 minute ago, Tangled Jack said:

Besides, Flynn already did this all the time in Archie, in "Total Eclipse", remember how Shadow and Knuckles were dicks to each other for no reason? I do.

This difference there is , shadow was still shadow. There were conversations and interesting interactions with knuckles before and after the fight about why it was going. Those two ego's clashing is why the fight was interesting. Now that shadow's a zombie shadow has been effectively robbed of autonomy. And flynn could have thought of more interesting ways for the zombification to happen, it just feels like Flynn gave up.

1 minute ago, Tangled Jack said:

So if you want to stop reading the book as somebody said, give up on the comic, it's not a problem at all, if you really want to exploit the negatives and treat this arc like it sucks, because to me it's awesome, it honestly keeps getting better after the first issues of normality.

I don't feel like i'm exploiting negatives, this just leaves a really bad taste in my mouth. Its like what they did to captain america in secret empire before they ran that all the way back. Just left a really bad taste in my mouth

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38 minutes ago, Kuzu the Boloedge said:

You're still ignoring the fact that Shadow knows he can just run to stave off the virus, Sonic told him this. 

I think Shadow misinterpreted what Sonic said.

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I feel like instead of hearing "running fast enough to will the reset the virus's progress when you're infected", Shadow heard "if you get infected, run away so you don't become a threat we have to deal with later".

It doesn't seem like Team Dark knew that Sonic had to run to keep the MV in check since Sonic had to explain it to Rouge.

...also, are we not going to talk about Shadow driving the Mad Convoy from City Escape?

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Actually, there's one thing that isn't about Shadow's behaviour that stuck out to me, and that's the fact that Sonic still seems to refuse the idea that Eggman turning evil again was an inevitability, not a freak accident. He blames Starline for it, but the guy actually failed to do that (and he was trying damn hard to do so). It was Sonic letting Metal Sonic go free and being programmed to return to Eggman that did it. 

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3 minutes ago, Your Vest Friend said:

Actually, there's one thing that isn't about Shadow's behaviour that stuck out to me, and that's the fact that Sonic still seems to refuse the idea that Eggman turning evil again was an inevitability, not a freak accident. He blames Starline for it, but the guy actually failed to do that (and he was trying damn hard to do so). It was Sonic letting Metal Sonic go free and being programmed to return to Eggman that did it. 

Which is fine, neither of them would know that...

Dramatic Irony like this is fine never being revealed to the characters.

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11 minutes ago, AphexPhreak said:

Was it fully him, though?  He *convinced* Shadow not to do it, he still had Mr Tinker by the cuff at one point.  He knew Sonic had a point in drawing comparisons to Shadow's past and decided against killing him.  He could have just done it anyways.

I kinda don't like people saying it's all Sonic's fault since he did act within his own reasoning and he also didn't know at ALL what was going to happen.  It's completely unfair for Shadow to fully blame him for this, but I get that he's mad about the situation.

Sonic had convinced Shadow  that he shouldn't kill Tinker, at that point the conflict is over.

And yea, Shadow was being unfair and I assume that was the point, and hence why gets infected.

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4 minutes ago, Sonictrainer said:

I think Shadow misinterpreted what Sonic said.

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I feel like instead of hearing "running fast enough to will the reset the virus's progress when you're infected", Shadow heard "if you get infected, run away so you don't become a threat we have to deal with later".

It doesn't seem like Team Dark knew that Sonic had to run to keep the MV in check since Sonic had to explain it to Rouge.

...also, are we not going to talk about Shadow driving the Mad Convoy from City Escape?

Shadow doesn't know what gun is, it is an unidentified trucking vehicle. Respect the lore

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10 minutes ago, Sonictrainer said:

I think Shadow misinterpreted what Sonic said.

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I feel like instead of hearing "running fast enough to will the reset the virus's progress when you're infected", Shadow heard "if you get infected, run away so you don't become a threat we have to deal with later".

It doesn't seem like Team Dark knew that Sonic had to run to keep the MV in check since Sonic had to explain it to Rouge.

...also, are we not going to talk about Shadow driving the Mad Convoy from City Escape?

If that's what was intended, then that should have been communicated better.

Shadow misinterpreting his words, especially since he's pissed off at him, is  more understandable. 

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That was Issue 19. It actually wasn't a bad issue; it felt like it had plenty happen enough without doing too much at all. 

Just a few minor things I wanna bring up:

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  1. Not to be too harsh, but this artstyle reminds me somewhat of Bunnie's reintroduction. Shadow was the second most on model and many of the extras looked like they were from something else.
  2. Cool to see Sonic Wind and the breakdance kicks put to use.
  3. Anyone else wondered what happened to Omega's Flamethrower?
  4. Shadowdorf lasted surprisingly long--he clearly grazed some of those goobers at least three times before he Side B'd.

Shoutout to Eli D for that cosplay.

9 hours ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

The more Sonic turns before Omega's eyes the quicker he's gonna need to check this box.

Image result for proof you're not a robot

Oh, I fucking hate some of those..

 

9 hours ago, Kazhnuz said:

TBH, he is for me way more interesting than Archie!Gemerl for one single thing : he is learning. Archie!Gemerl took the idea that his whole "learning to be more empathetic" was learn. Here is is making "robo-sentance", but he is working through a lot of thing. He have a goal, but he is learning the way to do it. He act logically yet is able to learn empathetic things, and even to say "sorry". For me he even have a more interesting personnality because of that. He isn't just yet-another-Sonic-clone-that-even-have-his-personnality, he is kinda more complicated with a lot to learn and making progress. Which make him a more "real" character than the older version. Having a personnality isn't just having some quirks and making sentances that looks human. It's way more the capacity to evolve and stuff. I'm not against "quirky characters" though.

 

( And there is the fact that making him keep Emerl data is kinda dumb for me, as much as could have been Chaos Gamma if it was "really Gamma". Let the dead character be dead. )

To be fair, I think the implication was less him getting Emerl's exact memories and more Cream walking Tails through how to make him similarly caring while still leaving room for him to make his own decisions.

Again, I think the biggest issue (aside from already having that cool interpretation established) is that we also have Omega doing robo speak while also being trigger happy and dismissive. 

 

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37 minutes ago, Sonictrainer said:

I think Shadow misinterpreted what Sonic said.

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I feel like instead of hearing "running fast enough to will the reset the virus's progress when you're infected", Shadow heard "if you get infected, run away so you don't become a threat we have to deal with later".

It doesn't seem like Team Dark knew that Sonic had to run to keep the MV in check since Sonic had to explain it to Rouge.

Huh.. that makes a lot more sense than him refusing to save himself out of sheer stubborness. 

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7 minutes ago, Ryannumber1gamer said:

Does it show Shadow transform? I'm curious what the design is when we can get a proper clearer look at it.

It's pretty much the same design as that variant cover.

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1 minute ago, Sonictrainer said:

It's pretty much the same design as that variant cover.

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Am I the only one who finds it interesting that the rest of the zombots all have drooping dead like expressions, but Shadow (And the chao iirc) look properly vindictive and ready to lunge at anyone?

 

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So seeing the panel people were upset over this?????????? It clearly shows he thought she meant run away to save himself. Not to burn it off

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Oh my gasha, Shadow the Hedgehog has spikes now.

...wait a minute...

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So seeing the panel people were upset over this?????????? It clearly shows he thought she meant run away to save himself. Not to burn it off

Sonic literally said "...if it happens, run it off..." The first time, so it shouldn't have even been a misunderstanding.

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Just now, Ryannumber1gamer said:
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Am I the only one who finds it interesting that the rest of the zombots all have drooping dead like expressions, but Shadow (And the chao iirc) look properly vindictive and ready to lunge at anyone?

 

I was thinking about that too; look at his expression compared to the others

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