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19 minutes ago, DabigRG said:


Oh.

Honestly--and this is partly me talking if I was in his shoes--, I think that was him being [overly?]pragmatic while using Shadow.

As you know, Shadow's tenure in Archie is one of the bigger examples of the comic not really knowing how to properly use a character either to due to lack of concrete material from SEGA and/or due to too many variables to readjust to accommodate them. (See Sub bullet points for recap) After Mr. Flynn basically hit a fastforward button to admittedly half-BS his way through getting Shadow where he needs to be within 40 issues, there was a new level of nebulousness that had the benefit of what had happened in-between those loose game adaptations to use and give Shadow his own stories on par with Sonic & Knuckles.

  • First he was only alluded to(?) around 98 because the Adventure 1 adaptation already fucked with the writer's resources & apparently their memories and they most likely didn't wanna go through that again. Also, they literally couldn't reasonably adapt the game considering the already messed up stories of the time were being wrapped up, Knuckles was green, and Tails was an Ixis clone.
  • 124 or 125 had him thrown in by the Bem in time for the Xorda seemingly killing off Sonic for a yearlong timeskip. This was clearly because Heroes brought him back from the dead and Mr. Bollers, despite his efforts to bring in more from the games, clearly had little clue on what he was supposed to do with him beyond--and stop me if this sounds familiar--just being an antihero.
  • The 140-159 era, under Mr. Penders, still had him doing confusing antihero stuff from I what I recall. This included fighting Metal Sonic, having their unconscious bodies kidnapped by Mecha, and riding an underground trolley to fight Sonic him under ground for some reason. There was also him becoming protective of Hope, trying to murder Locke for some reason, help Sonic fight an army of Neo Metal Sonics, and have Knuckles recognize his connection to the Chaos Force, which was [mostly] better. Did I forget anything?
  • The 160-200 era, with Mr. Flynn's long awaited debut, saw him involved in the cleanup. This includes showing up to Sonic's birthday to thank and help him fend off the attackers, turn on Eggman to get answers about his past, get closure with NICOLE's help, and join up with GUN.
  • I think you or SkulkBane brought up how he tended to occasionally show up in the main book to help show how powerful the villain of the week is one time? ...Well, I think it's this is damned if you do, damned if you don't situation tbh. To crib your speaking patterns for a second, it's possible this was a matter of people potentially going "Hey, why didn't they call Shadow to wipe this guy out in one hit?" and him going "Shadow tried, but ADAM-Tommy/Knuxerjak/SuperScourge is too much of craftyboi/diety/Superform for that to work." It's unfortunate, but I can't say it really affected that much from memory. 
  • Shadow and to an extent Blaze are the two most broken and [near] infallible of the recurring cast; it can be difficult to write stories that involve characters like Bean the Dynamite and/or need to last a fair amount of time with them. This, alongside their popularity and (the last bullet), gave motivation to reasonably limit their involvement in bigger events and "crossover" stories.
  • And finally, given this is Shadow we're talking about, he had a whole supporting cast and other backstory elements that were being built up in the games that provides material for stories about him. So it honestly made sense to have those stories take place in their own little corners unless a crucial part of a bigger event. 
     

Which brings us to World's Unite. It had it's moments(ex.Gemerl), but it primarily turned out to be a mistake on multiple accounts. A lot of editorial pushing(it happening when it did, Xander Payne needing to be toned down), licensing mandates(what characters he used), fan appeal(Freedom Fighters & Light Robot Masters, Wily seeing Zero), and maybe even outsourcing(those other artists and writers) made that sequel crossover a clear mess of epic proportions. As impressive as it was, it really says something that the second and third parts of it had a entire customary page dedicated to showing off every single character involved--which was something like 50 of em.

So when the editor also said "Hey, the stakes aren't high enough--you need to kill off a major character or two," he just rolled his eyes and probably went, "okay, who would a decent person that I can use for that blatant shock value while not getting too in the way? Hm...I guess Mayor Dorado(?), Team Dark, the President, Commander Tower, and his daughter/niece are in a city, so maybe they can be there when Sigma's devices merge the worlds. Will that work? Okay, now to plot out this epic final fight with Super Sonic, Super Adaptor Megaman, and Super X Armor..."

I don't really have any response? Like I agree with everything you are saying and its what is supporting my " He might not car for shadow and shadow's weird to write , so he writes him out of stories " , that's my luke warm take. It isn't as bad as bollers or penders... though emperor shadow was pretty bad, however I don't think not being as bad some of the most embarrassing shit to exist in the franchise isn't a high bar nor does it absolve him of criticism.

11 minutes ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

Yeah, and I'm saying you're being ridiculous to suggest that this is the case for Shadow and at all related to why he killed off Team Dark in that crossover. He gave a reasoning, in far more detail then you're giving credit for by the way, and you're choosing to ignore it and dismiss it in favor of something that makes more sense to you. It's baseless and it's silly.

Eh not really. There's no explanation that makes " oh hey you know during this moments video game occasion crossover thing , you know who didn't show up, shadow or blaze  You know who's gonna show up, a bunch of characters from a cartoon that so old adults in the fanbase could have not watched it" make sense besides "In that instance those characters stories were more valuable to him"  which when you calm down and look at it is a very luke warm boring take.

Again this isn't some " Ian flynn is going to destroy our babies or some shit" he had a preference, shadow fans got assed out. Eh.

11 minutes ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:



World's Unite had a lot of things done for the sake of compensation. Your assertion that he absolutely got to focus on just who he wanted to write doesn't even have basis in truth because I know for a fact that he's had to make a ton of compromises based on just what would flow better or stand alone as an advertisement for the book.  The Freedom Fighters weren't in the first crossover because of that.

So this is gonna get addressed later, but he may say things have been sacrificed to flow better. But generally Ian Flynn has an issue with sacrificing things and letting go of storylines and characters he's interested in. I would make the argument the the story going on, now is the result of this. Because it isn't particularly that interesting and he's going on with it. Its a habit , its something that's often called out when criticizing flynn.

If he wants me to not believe this he's going to have to start writing that's flow better, I'm going need to see the results of that, because he never really has. He writes really good dialog but his stories have always had pacing issues.

11 minutes ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

He put the Freedom Fighters in World's Unite because there were people wondering and asking why they weren't in the first crossover and he tried his best to appease that crowd with World's Unite. But, of course, hindsight is 20-20. Too many characters were in that story and he straight up said that if he could do it again he'd remove the Freedom Fighters and the Maverick hunters to try and balance things out. 

You realize that doesn't really negate anything i'm saying? He wanted to tell a story about the freedom fighters, he chose a character he might have not cared for or had any serious plans for to die and his team and that's...it really. There wasn't a lot of room... he made a choice, he picked the character he often picks to write out of stories. If he would go back and change it... that's cool. But what happened, happened.

11 minutes ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

 

He may not be obligated to talk about his thought process but that hasn't stopped him. He does it routinely and it's really not hard to find. 

You are naive if you think flynn tells all in those podcasts. That man has a job and likes having a job and potential more jobs. And those answers while enlightening in some regards, filtered as fuck

11 minutes ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

You're making shit up and you have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm making pretty reasonable assumptions based off of his previous writing of the character in question.

11 minutes ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

I'm getting kind of heated right now because, again, I just recently listened to him talking about Eclipse and Shadow Fall and the whole deal with Shadow in one of the older podcasts. The amount of enthusiasm and the heavy emphasis he put into how much hard work went into taking the concepts from Shadow's game and creating Eclipse is something that falls into direct contrast with your hand-waving of it here. This is dumb and I kind of find it intensely insulting and gross. 

Dislike the stories and the direction he took all you want but what you're doing here is basically claiming to know what the guy's intention was without properly looking into the available avenues that actually give you an actual, better understanding of what that may be.

So here's the deal , one he cold simultaneously not be into that character and want to write a decent story about that character. Its not uncommon , ontop of that, that instance doesn't... you know take away ... all the other instances of basically him trying to write shadow out of stories whether its just getting beaten up or just... not existing. Or in the reboots case, being cornered off.

But here's the big two, if he genuinely feels that way. Write the character better, write better versions of the character. Because Ian flynn not getting shadow is genuinely one of the most common criticisms I see about flynn. Its literally a meme at this point and this recent book didn't help. And I disagree with that.I think he gets the character well, and in the instance the reboot where he could isolate him off and tell a story about that... it was good. However its a pretty common sentiment , while yes he can seem emotional and enthusiastic in a podcast. It largely means nothing if the rest of his body of work doesn't really reflect that enthusiasm and it seems like he's trying to write him out of narratives.

You got to write stories to get people to buy into what you are selling, and he never has with shadow...except once.

Even in IDW last year, late in the year what little cool moment shadow undermined , and then he just vanished. And then the next time you see him... this. Like if someone arrives at the conclusion that the person writing might not be fond of the character... I wouldn't blame em. Because while in this instance if the reddit post that started this whole conversation was true, that doesn't explain every other instance of ian with shadow flubbing it up or writing him out of narratives. The meme with ian's writing doesn't exist with any other character except shadow. And there's a reason for that,

11 minutes ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

I'm not going to accept or have any respect for your dreaming up evidence to support this nonsensical argument you're trying to make. 

This IS conspiracy theory nonsense. 

 

" The writer might not care for this character and cares more about the story and chooses to focus on that" isn't really a gigantic conspiracy theory.. and is a fairly common thing that happens. But sure cool man.

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2 hours ago, Shadowlax said:

Its not that elaborate and its the charitable read

My sides.

2 hours ago, Shadowlax said:

Simply put, due to the dumpster fire that was archie at that moment and the things his editor was saying to him, he had to make a choice and he choice to get rid of some characters people were asking about so he could focus on the characters he wanted to right

"Write."

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Despite my disdain of the decision, it is not inherently good or bad it is just a thing.

You've been whining about how Shadow was handled in World's Unite (and Archie as a whole) for at least half a year across multiple threads, and that's just from the ones I remember seeing in topics that I usually don't bother looking at since I couldn't give less of a shit about IDW until someone reports something in a thread talking about it. I don't think anyone actually believes that you consider it "just a thing," so much as a "heinous character derailing act that signifies how much the head writer of the comic hates the character I wish I could bang in real life."

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Not in the since that ian flynn is a secret vendetta against shadow as you say it

"Sense."

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This to be very blunt is if you over saw a DC Marvel Crossoever event and decided to kill if batman so he couldn't meet wolverine, but the wonder twins were there.

Maybe if the Wonder Twins had been in the comic for nearly a decade before Batman was and it was far more their comic than it ever was Batman's.

 

And "crossover."

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No he saw the narrative potential in these two dudes who represent generation changes in their respective brand interacting in some way, heck its on the poster.

"It's"

9 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

There's no explanation that makes " oh hey you know during this moments video game occasion crossover thing , you know who didn't show up, shadow or blaze  You know who's gonna show up, a bunch of characters from a cartoon that so old adults in the fanbase could have not watched it" make sense besides "In that instance those characters stories were more valuable to him"  which when you calm down and look at it is a very luke warm boring take.

I know for a fact this was explained to you in such simple terms that it might as well have been phonetic, and you still just ignored it. This goes along with the "make shit up to support my tortured reading of the material" thing that you're constantly called out on.

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1 hour ago, Shadowlax said:

Eh not really. There's no explanation that makes " oh hey you know during this moments video game occasion crossover thing , you know who didn't show up, shadow or blaze  You know who's gonna show up, a bunch of characters from a cartoon that so old adults in the fanbase could have not watched it" make sense besides "In that instance those characters stories were more valuable to him"  which when you calm down and look at it is a very luke warm boring take.

That's just something you decided. You decided that it didn't make sense. YOU. 

The fact that you're trying to use something you decided as a benchmark for Ian Flynn's decision making makes no sense.

Saying "Ian is intelligent and therefore I'm giving him credit by saying he wouldn't do something that I deem doesn't make sense to me" is ridiculous. He's explained why he felt he needed to do it and the basis for why is stronger when you have the full context.

It also helps that he, as the writer of the goddamn book, would feel the effects of what the fans of the book all over are asking of him more than you; some guy who just really loves Shadow a lot.

1 hour ago, Shadowlax said:

So this is gonna get addressed later, but he may say things have been sacrificed to flow better. But generally Ian Flynn has an issue with sacrificing things and letting go of storylines and characters he's interested in. I would make the argument the the story going on, now is the result of this. Because it isn't particularly that interesting and he's going on with it. Its a habit , its something that's often called out when criticizing flynn.

If he wants me to not believe this he's going to have to start writing that's flow better, I'm going need to see the results of that, because he never really has. He writes really good dialog but his stories have always had pacing issues.

Did you seriously just try to use your opinion of the current IDW arc as a rebuttal against the fact that he absolutely HAS sacrificed things for the story to flow better? Whatever your opinion of the current arc is doesn't matter when related to this conversation.

Again, you haven't actually looked into ANY of this. It's all readily available but you're choosing to just assume that the man isn't trying any of what you're saying here. This argument is a farce.

1 hour ago, Shadowlax said:

You realize that doesn't really negate anything i'm saying? He wanted to tell a story about the freedom fighters, he chose a character he might have not cared for or had any serious plans for to die and his team and that's...it really. There wasn't a lot of room... he made a choice, he picked the character he often picks to write out of stories. If he would go back and change it... that's cool. But what happened, happened.

Actually it does because this passage on the Freedom Fighters was an example I provided of how he has to sacrifice what he wants to do and make compromises based on not JUST what HE feels will make a good story. Something that you're continuously denying for no discernible reason.

1 hour ago, Shadowlax said:

You are naive if you think flynn tells all in those podcasts. That man has a job and likes having a job and potential more jobs. And those answers while enlightening in some regards, filtered as fuck

I was seriously waiting for you to bring this point up because I knew it'd be the thing people defaulted to as a way to discredit the actual, tangible evidence out there. 

One, I never said he tells all in those podcasts. In fact, he makes it explicitly clear that he sometimes CAN'T tell all in the podcasts and politely rejects questions based on whether or not his job would allow it. This is something you would know if you had looked into it properly. But you didn't. You're basing ALL of this conjecture on a dreamed up scenario created by pure emotion.

Two, the fact remains that actual words coming from his mouth (as well as the tone in which he says them and the detail in which he gives the information) stands as harder, more believable evidence than making stuff up, like you're doing now.

And again, you're not even trying to hide your appeal to emotion with this. "Filtered as fuck" isn't something someone with a reasonable open mind would say in regards to the what he's saying in those podcasts. It's the reaction of someone who's made up their mind based on arbitrary things they cherry picked from the book and have a view of the writer and his responses that's based on... nothing. 

You're not being respectful or charitable at all. This is just insulting and it's even worse because you don't know what you're talking about. 

1 hour ago, Shadowlax said:

I'm making pretty reasonable assumptions based off of his previous writing of the character in question.

No you're not.

1 hour ago, Shadowlax said:

So here's the deal , one he cold simultaneously not be into that character and want to write a decent story about that character. Its not uncommon , ontop of that, that instance doesn't... you know take away ... all the other instances of basically him trying to write shadow out of stories whether its just getting beaten up or just... not existing. Or in the reboots case, being cornered off.

You're imagining this. This is a FANTASY you've built up in your head.

Ian is juggling a ton of characters in a HUGE cast, both official and comic exclusive, and you're seriously trying to make the claim the THE literal most prominent and featured character in the Archie Books, aside from Sonic, the one who started Sonic Universe and went on to have the most arcs on him and the most presence within them all, was held up by a man who was doing everything he could to write Shadow OUT of stories?

This isn't even something you need to listen to Ian talk about to know how false it is. 

1 hour ago, Shadowlax said:

But here's the big two, if he genuinely feels that way. Write the character better, write better versions of the character. Because Ian flynn not getting shadow is genuinely one of the most common criticisms I see about flynn. Its literally a meme at this point and this recent book didn't help. And I disagree with that.I think he gets the character well, and in the instance the reboot where he could isolate him off and tell a story about that... it was good. However its a pretty common sentiment , while yes he can seem emotional and enthusiastic in a podcast. It largely means nothing if the rest of his body of work doesn't really reflect that enthusiasm and it seems like he's trying to write him out of narratives.

Even in IDW last year, late in the year what little cool moment shadow undermined , and then he just vanished. And then the next time you see him... this. Like if someone arrives at the conclusion that the person writing might not be fond of the character... I wouldn't blame em. Because while in this instance if the reddit post that started this whole conversation was true, that doesn't explain every other instance of ian with shadow flubbing it up or writing him out of narratives. The meme with ian's writing doesn't exist with any other character except shadow. And there's a reason for that,

It means something if the literal point of the current conversation is the man's INTENTION which IS what we're talking about. If this was a discussion about the quality of the work, we'd be having a completely different discussion right now.

Also, you need to understand how silly of a response "just write the character better" is. How he genuinely feels and how you perceive the way he's writing the character aren't conflatable. Your appeal to popularity when it comes to what you say are the most common criticisms when it comes to his work also is rather flimsy because as far as I'm concerned, most of the criticism for how he writes Shadow has only started just with this most recent book. Largely because it's quite a different approach from what he was doing with him in the Archie books and also largely because no matter what, people are going to have their preferences either way. 

He can't please everybody. I think he's writing Shadow just fine, give a hiccup or two, and other people don't. If he changed the way he wrote him, there's a chance you might like it and I might hate it all of a sudden. "Write the character better" is such a dumb, blanket, dismissive thing to say when talking about whether someone is being genuine or not. 

You can try to argue for the appeal of popularity all you want but it's not going to serve as proof of anything other than you, and whatever this meme culture group you're talking about, don't like the way he's chosen to write this particular character. The conclusion you've reached STILL hasn't been proven to be based on anything but a silly appeal to emotion with no further research done.

This isn't even going into the fact that I feel some of this stuff about the reception of his writing of Shadow overall is overblown on your end. 

1 hour ago, Shadowlax said:

" The writer might not care for this character and cares more about the story and chooses to focus on that" isn't really a gigantic conspiracy theory.. and is a fairly common thing that happens. But sure cool man.

The nonsense you used to sloppily reach that conclusion gives off the mental image of someone stringing up charts in their room to reach a conclusion based on what they've dreamed up in their head. It's got no basis in anything he's actually said. Simplify what you think you're doing as best you can all you want but all you've got is your perception of the stories. You don't have anything that supports the intention, so the fact that you're so brazzen to speak as if you know what that intention is makes this incredibly mystifying and silly. 

 

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55 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

I don't really have any response? Like I agree with everything you are saying and its what is supporting my " He might not car for shadow and shadow's weird to write , so he writes him out of stories " , that's my luke warm take. It isn't as bad as bollers or penders... though emperor shadow was pretty bad, however I don't think not being as bad some of the most embarrassing shit to exist in the franchise isn't a high bar nor does it absolve him of criticism.

 

Oh, I know. I somewhat agree with the basic idea of inhibiting Shadow in part because it's how Id probably do it, especially nowadays. 

I just don't think it's quite that conscious. Sorry bout the length. 

Oh and King Shadow was apparently an editorial idea that Mr Penders was supposed to do. 

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1 hour ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:



World's Unite had a lot of things done for the sake of compensation. Your assertion that he absolutely got to focus on just who he wanted to write doesn't even have basis in truth because I know for a fact that he's had to make a ton of compromises based on just what would flow better or stand alone as an advertisement for the book.  The Freedom Fighters weren't in the first crossover because of that. He put the Freedom Fighters in World's Unite because there were people wondering and asking why they weren't in the first crossover and he tried his best to appease that crowd with World's Unite. But, of course, hindsight is 20-20. Too many characters were in that story and he straight up said that if he could do it again he'd remove the Freedom Fighters and the Maverick hunters to try and balance things out. 

 

Off topic for a sec here, why were they as involved? Like it's been a long time since I saw it, but I don't remember them doing much beyond Nicole talking with Quake Woman. 

I do know the Maverick Hunters were there because Lyric couldn't be used, Sigma is their villain, and X originally helped Sonic and Megaman in the final battle, so it's funny to hear he'd remove them. 

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1 hour ago, DabigRG said:

Off topic for a sec here, why were they as involved? Like it's been a long time since I saw it, but I don't remember them doing much beyond Nicole talking with Quake Woman. 

I do know the Maverick Hunters were there because Lyric couldn't be used, Sigma is their villain, and X originally helped Sonic and Megaman in the final battle, so it's funny to hear he'd remove them. 

You mean story wise? I don't recall. I haven't read it in a long time so I couldn't recount what they were there to do off the top of my head. I mostly just remember people splitting up to go into the different SEGA and Capcom worlds to recruit people to fight Sigma. I'd imagine that whatever it was they contributed, it was something that could have been easily worked around. A big criticism of World's Unite is how bloated and full of STUFF it is and the way Ian talks about it kind of reflects that it was quite the multi-layered task getting it to work at all. Dropping them would probably have been for the best for both the process it took to make and the book's story as a whole as far as I'm concerned. 

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8 hours ago, Tangled Jack said:

I also doubt Zavok is gonna show up here. For obviously reasons (he basically would have spoiled it). Maybe next arc. 

That's quite a shame though, because it might have been one of the situations where him and the D6 would have been the most interesting. They could basically have hijacked the whole Zombot Army and turn them into whatever they wants with their power. (especially if they got creative and made him using friggin zombotified trees and stuff like that)

A good way to making the arc goes to "fucked up" to "the world is even more doomed somehow".

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2 minutes ago, Kazhnuz said:

That's quite a shame though, because it might have been one of the situations where him and the D6 would have been the most interesting. They could basically have hijacked the whole Zombot Army and turn them into whatever they wants with their power. (especially if they got creative and made him using friggin zombotified trees and stuff like that)

A good way to making the arc goes to "fucked up" to "the world is even more doomed somehow".

O_O 

...How did I not think of that?

 

Of course, there's the matter of the Zombots basically just being Goo Zombies with a slapped on name, but I suppose Silver's future speaks againt that.

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The biggest mystery about Silver's future is where the zombot went, for me. The rest is pretty compatible with what we are seeing here as we know that the Metal Virus infect plants and stuff.

TBH, I think that the "goo" part might be because unlike old roboticization where the characters were magically converted into mechanical robots with some big "robots parts" appearing there and there, here zombots seems to have been converted on the cellular level, making them work like nanites-based-creatures (like the Asurans from Stargate Atlantis), the goo being the zombots being basically able to rearrange themselves. It would also explain why the Metal Virus slowly infect its victim (slow conversion), and why it is not supposed to infect processed organic stuff (because the cells are dead). We still have the "why are the glove and stuff converted when they shouldn't according to the rules of the MV themselves", but I suppose it's an artistic licence.

Sonic speed burning it off could be explained by metabolism ? Maybe that Sonic's speed affect somehow its metabolism more than other display of strenght, and that somehow burn off the converted cells ?

Yeah, I'm trying too much of making sense on the MV xD But even if it's still basically scientific bullshit, I feel that the Metal Virus is better than the Roboticization on that point, it make - for me - a tiny bit more sense.

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3 hours ago, Kazhnuz said:

That's quite a shame though, because it might have been one of the situations where him and the D6 would have been the most interesting. They could basically have hijacked the whole Zombot Army and turn them into whatever they wants with their power. (especially if they got creative and made him using friggin zombotified trees and stuff like that)

A good way to making the arc goes to "fucked up" to "the world is even more doomed somehow".

I'm not sure the Deadly Six are still available/alive/whatever. Or Sega just wants to forget about them, not sure, really.

Yeah I would have liked to see Zavok because he can control robots, but we do have Dr. Starline here, so maybe he can work too?

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3 hours ago, Tangled Jack said:

I'm not sure the Deadly Six are still available/alive/whatever. Or Sega just wants to forget about them, not sure, really.

Yeah I would have liked to see Zavok because he can control robots, but we do have Dr. Starline here, so maybe he can work too?

Oh, they're pretty much confirmed (barring any sudden establishment otherwise) at this point. 

Zavok's definitely a sure thing at this point and both Zazz & Master Zik have cropped up a few times with him. The only thing keeping the others out is the fact that they haven't had a chance to use the whole band. 

Though you have a point regarding whether the comics are still allowed to use them, ala Omega, Dr. Nega, and more understandably Infinite. 

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6 minutes ago, DabigRG said:

...they haven't had a chance to use the whole band. 

There's really nothing stopping them from doing so to be honest.

Especially since they don't seem to care about their home planet.

It might not even let them flesh out the 2Dimensional personalities.

Extra use.

Extra use.

Extra use.

Bring the Deadly Six back in full.

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9 minutes ago, StaticMania said:

There's really nothing stopping them from doing so to be honest.

Especially since they don't seem to care about their home planet.

It might not even let them flesh out the 2Dimensional personalities.

Extra use.

Extra use.

Extra use.

Bring the Deadly Six back in full.

:confused: I know you're posts can draw the line between being flippant and being silly at first glance, but I genuinely can't decide what you're actually saying here.

Is that a yay or nay?

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One last thing, then i'm done with it.

Upon re-reading i'm less inclined to to think that interaction happened. While I don't have any issue thinking sega messed up, its the end of it that throws it off " This is the best that could have been in done in the situation " . See Ian Flynn has talked about on his podcast about how his relationship with sega has changed but not gotten any better , just different. Particularly they are more focused on dialog than the actual storylines and stuff. If we take that for what it is, lines up with the issue we have with the comic. Now he could be obfuscating things, maybe they are more hands on with the stories or someone at IDW is and he likes to keep his job. Again if you think he's saying everything out in the open, you are naive. However, if we going to take his statements at face value... then the changes to the last book according to the friend of a friend reddit post doesn't actually make sense. 

The entire scenario the person described could have been written with shadow being an asshole. And it would have been a lot cooler than what happened. It doesn't line up with how flynn has described their interactions. Now to be clear, they could like Disney in a recent meeting about spiderman have tried to exert more power over character portrayals because they have a very specific vision of shadow right now and this lines up with it. But again, it seems weird.

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3 hours ago, DabigRG said:

:confused: I know you're posts can draw the line between being flippant and being silly at first glance, but I genuinely can't decide what you're actually saying here.

Is that a yay or nay?

bring back the six sided demon monsters...of course.

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13 minutes ago, Marco9966 said:

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Look at that gaudy Advance style hideout. Man, I miss that.

In other news, Tangle's Girl!Sonic side is sorta showing.

9 minutes ago, dbzfan7 said:

Whisper just keeps ascending to best girl spot

Yeah, she is pretty cool.

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If they weren't already commited to no relationships. That could read as like uh " I had an abusive ex " thing, which would genuinely be interesting and something other children programming like steven universe has touched on. Though I guess hell just be a literally shifty ex team mate

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They are really committed on "no relationship" about main character though. I'm not sure that adding a past relationship to Whisper would be totally impossible for them. It might certainly not the case (or some kind of "totally not in relationship… but you can see it as you like" stuff that Flynn could totally create and already did), but I don't think that's something impossible.

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19 hours ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:


World's Unite had a lot of things done for the sake of compensation. Your assertion that he absolutely got to focus on just who he wanted to write doesn't even have basis in truth because I know for a fact that he's had to make a ton of compromises based on just what would flow better or stand alone as an advertisement for the book.  The Freedom Fighters weren't in the first crossover because of that. He put the Freedom Fighters in World's Unite because there were people wondering and asking why they weren't in the first crossover and he tried his best to appease that crowd with World's Unite. But, of course, hindsight is 20-20. Too many characters were in that story and he straight up said that if he could do it again he'd remove the Freedom Fighters and the Maverick hunters to try and balance things out. 

I honestly doubt that removing the Freedom Fighters or the Maverick Hunters would have fared better.

To be honest, they were fine. They were already part of the ongoing narrative, and them being involved in the sudden shift of things wasn’t bad since they were part of their respective franchises that had connections to each other. Besides, in hindsight, having the Freedom Fighters finally meet Megaman and his X counterparts and cast was a decent send off prior to Archie Sonic’s cancellation. If anything, it was the extended Sega and Capcom franchises joining the party that made the book a clusterfuck. And last I was told, that was a decision made by his editor at the time that Capcom and Sega saw as a great opportunity.

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