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4 hours ago, StaticMania said:

Shadow's been better since he was turned.

This is gonna trigger Shadow fans, I can feel it. Anyway, it sucks because now he's even more simplified and the Whole situation could have been explored more.

4 hours ago, Meta77 said:

True but at least neo was basically insane and his theme is even more so trying to prove hes the real sonic. Why idw made him go dragon again when his neo form was trashing sonic and gang is still odd

All I know the zeti for is their goofy clown car them music.  The green one having a ton of "art" and them draining the earth's life force??

Neo was great character-wise, I still think the dragon should have been his second form and then a different smaller form altogether as final one, a la Sigma in Worlds Unite, and most DBZ villains.

The Zeti are pretty much that, plus unfitting dark lines.

Also, this thread is weird with its overthinking, and… Sonic X? I get it these arcs are long, I wasn't a fan of the Shattered World Saga lasting for 3 full years, I already believe a year and a half for zombots is stretching it, but… if Ian takes it to a new direction, I can see it working. Universe's 4 issue arcs are already a thing with Tangle & Whisper, as for the next big arc, it's likely a 6-8 issue thing.

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2 hours ago, Polkadi~☆ said:

If this is the case, what is your opinion on Akira Himekawa's Zelda manga? I only have his Ocarina of Time series, and I think he did the game well enough. And then there's a Twilight Princess series, where he's taking a lot of time to explore the story, being longer than other Zelda series so far.

Himekawa is two women. 

I think the art is very good as is the characterization. Almost every original addition to the story is carefully considered and usually makes sense. 

Speeding through every game in 1-2 volumes is less than ideal, though. Pretty much nothing gets time to breathe. It's the only flaw I have with the series but it's a pretty big one 

I liked the 4 Swords one the best when I was a kid, but I haven't read the Twilight Princess one at all yet. It sounds like it fixed some problems with both the game's story and the other manga adaptations. 

 

 

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Hey @Dr. Detective Mike, sorry to hear I've been dragging down the dialog around the comic for you. It's not even my intention to do as such. I just find that if I explain my stance it becomes easier for eth other party to see where I'm coming from. It's why I enjoy seeing you share your enthusiasm as it may highlight something I missed. So again I apologize for making the surrounding conversations unpleasant to partake in. So let's see if we can't make a negative viewpoint a point of interesting discourse.

As should be obvious by now, Amy is one of my favorites and I always have high hopes for her appearances. Since issue two however she has been losing her shine to me and our most recent issue has only made it worse. To me Amy is an always bubbly, optimistic, energetic, mood maker who keeps everyone's spirits high. Yet in the most recent issue she was as worn down as Sonic and freaking out about the possible loss of a team. That's a pretty big contrast right there, and the problem I have is I didn't get to see it happen. I've mostly seen how she normally is, yet this issue she was as worn down as Sonic and all we've gotten are hints to what she has been going through. It's why I enjoyed the Chaotix's introduction the zombot problem as I saw them being them in their typical environment, facing the threat head on and how there normal approaches are affected by the scenario, seeing the consequences of their normal actions in a very unnormal situation, and the settling of dread for realizing their normal methods aren't going to cut it in this case and has lost them Charmy. I got all of that and loved the issue as a result. Cream has talked about the nightmares she's been having and what she has been up to, and while it was a short scene, it felt earned with how recently we had seen her and have it fresh in our minds what she went through and lost. But Amy is in the command center and has nothing showing us the buildup of how she got here from when we last saw her. What could this normally impossible to discourage character have seen and gone through by this point to leave her so worn and battered? I haven't seen it, and in two months I'll be getting the payoff of a character arc that I haven't seen happen yet, despite it being implied to transpire. SO sure there is emotion and weight to what she is experiencing, but I want to see her experiences that led to the emotional weight on her. the weight alone is not enough for me, especially since I saw what the Chaotix and Cream went through before seeing them at the points they are at.

In short, I feel no connection to Amy's current emotional state because I didn't see how she got there and I know the payoff to that emotional state is coming down the road. I kind of hope that maybe her issue will have some flashback scenes to establish how she ended up in the state she is. Sure it may sound like I'm asking for some hand holding when I should just presume the base human situation of people under your command falling to an unstoppable force wrecks you pretty bad, but if I just make that assessment then I also cut out Amy and her character and my ability to sympathize with her personally as a unique individual and not just another survivor of this mess. She's a main character and the one in charge of keeping refugees organized during this mess. If anyone should be getting some focus in this scenario it's her, yet she barely even gets more than the most basic of lines of dialogue before being dragged off to be Captain Commander Rose again. the bubbly energetic girl who never lets anything get her down is down and worn out, and I didn't see it happen. I have to just presume what happened, and for a main character playing a major role in a crisis situation I find that unacceptable. You're obviously of a different mindset and stance on that, and so I would love to hear you demonstrate to me what makes this one concern of mine something that makes the book exciting. My biases and wants are sure to be blinding me to something, so I always appreciate seeing input that shines things in a better light.

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I think your problem is that you want an Amy centric story, but this really isn't an Amy centric arc. It's the same problem people are having with what happened with Shadow. Sure, Amy is a main character but she's not one of the central characters of this arc. She just happens to be apart of a larger ensemble that shares the spotlight with many other main characters.

Sonic is the only real central character of this arc, as it's his perspective we focus on in any given issue, and any other character's perspectives tend to shift depending on if he's present or not. Sonic is generally out trying to save people, so he's really not interacting with Amy much so there's no real reason for her to be the focus. It's the same thing with Shadow, the emotional connection of him being turned into a zombot was not the focus of the issue,  just the fact that he turned and adding the conflict at hand.

The focus of this arc isn't on any individual character, it's on how the characters can collectively deal with this situation with Sonic at the center of it, since he's the heroic main character who's trying to solve it.  So it's better to look at this as an ensemble piece, rather than any arc focusing on a specific main character(s)

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13 hours ago, Shadowlax said:

That's she's the reason eggman is alive! She purposefully misdirected shadow and informed other parties so they could stop him from murdering eggman. If she would have minded her business they wouldn't have happened. She thought she knew better in that situation and it directly resulted in the loss of her friend. She should be reacting to this thing, that would have been a cool development for that character .She would have actually had like...development. But we got tsun tsun bat lady.

Now that you bring it up, was that explicitly what she was doing?

It's quite a while since I read most of the early issues and that one in particular is not a priority, but from what I recall, she basically sent a tip to the Chaotix because she thought they'd be able to sniff out Eggman and figure out what he's up to and used that to bullshit her way out of Vector blaming her for the fight.

9 hours ago, Tangled Jack said:

Neo was great character-wise, I still think the dragon should have been his second form and then a different smaller form altogether as final one, a la Sigma in Worlds Unite, and most DBZ villains.

The Zeti are pretty much that, plus unfitting dark lines.

Yeah, actually, that might've been a better way of using it. Though they probably could've just milked Neo Metal himself being around more.

Also, nani?

1 hour ago, Sonic Fan J said:

To me Amy is an always bubbly, optimistic, energetic, mood maker who keeps everyone's spirits high. Yet in the most recent issue she was as worn down as Sonic and freaking out about the possible loss of a team. That's a pretty big contrast right there, and the problem I have is I didn't get to see it happen. I've mostly seen how she normally is, yet this issue she was as worn down as Sonic and all we've gotten are hints to what she has been going through.

But Amy is in the command center and has nothing showing us the buildup of how she got here from when we last saw her. What could this normally impossible to discourage character have seen and gone through by this point to leave her so worn and battered? I haven't seen it, and in two months I'll be getting the payoff of a character arc that I haven't seen happen yet, despite it being implied to transpire. SO sure there is emotion and weight to what she is experiencing, but I want to see her experiences that led to the emotional weight on her. the weight alone is not enough for me, especially since I saw what the Chaotix and Cream went through before seeing them at the points they are at.

In short, I feel no connection to Amy's current emotional state because I didn't see how she got there and I know the payoff to that emotional state is coming down the road. I kind of hope that maybe her issue will have some flashback scenes to establish how she ended up in the state she is. Sure it may sound like I'm asking for some hand holding when I should just presume the base human situation of people under your command falling to an unstoppable force wrecks you pretty bad, but if I just make that assessment then I also cut out Amy and her character and my ability to sympathize with her personally as a unique individual and not just another survivor of this mess. She's a main character and the one in charge of keeping refugees organized during this mess. If anyone should be getting some focus in this scenario it's her, yet she barely even gets more than the most basic of lines of dialogue before being dragged off to be Captain Commander Rose again. the bubbly energetic girl who never lets anything get her down is down and worn out, and I didn't see it happen. I have to just presume what happened, and for a main character playing a major role in a crisis situation I find that unacceptable.

Good post..

1 hour ago, Sonic Fan J said:

It's why I enjoyed the Chaotix's introduction the zombot problem as I saw them being them in their typical environment, facing the threat head on and how there normal approaches are affected by the scenario, seeing the consequences of their normal actions in a very unnormal situation, and the settling of dread for realizing their normal methods aren't going to cut it in this case and has lost them Charmy. I got all of that and loved the issue as a result. 

Which funny, considering the Chaotix outside of Charmy have gotten some of the least focus in this comic otherwise.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Kuzu the Boloedge said:

 

Sonic is the only real central character of this arc, as it's his perspective we focus on in any given issue, and any other character's perspectives tend to shift depending on if he's present or not. 

The focus of this arc isn't on any individual character, it's on how the characters can collectively deal with this situation with Sonic at the center of it, since he's the heroic main character who's trying to solve it.  So it's better to look at this as an ensemble piece, rather than any arc focusing on a specific main character(s)

So essentially what many of the games have been for the last decade?

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1 hour ago, Sonic Fan J said:

Hey @Dr. Detective Mike, sorry to hear I've been dragging down the dialog around the comic for you. It's not even my intention to do as such. I just find that if I explain my stance it becomes easier for eth other party to see where I'm coming from. It's why I enjoy seeing you share your enthusiasm as it may highlight something I missed. So again I apologize for making the surrounding conversations unpleasant to partake in. So let's see if we can't make a negative viewpoint a point of interesting discourse.

 

 

I appreciate the sentiment. You're very kind.

However, I've been doing a bit of reflecting on my thoughts while at work (because work is mostly boring) and I think I'm coming more to terms with it.

I can handle negativity. I just think what my issue was is that because I wasn't able to understand why it was so heavy I was fretting over whether there was something wrong with my approach to the book.

As someone who wants to write and draw comics as well, if I'm enjoying something that other people aren't does that mean I like things that people hate? Would I be able to tell a gripping story if that were true?

I sometimes get lost in the unfortunate rabbit hole of thinking way too hard about stuff like that. I'm in a position where other people's opinions mean a lot to me. Sometimes far more than my own.

I just need to be more secure in what I personally think and feel. Forcing myself to try and jive with an opposite point of view just brings grief.

Thank you though.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Sonic Fan J said:

Hey @Dr. Detective Mike, sorry to hear I've been dragging down the dialog around the comic for you. It's not even my intention to do as such. I just find that if I explain my stance it becomes easier for eth other party to see where I'm coming from. It's why I enjoy seeing you share your enthusiasm as it may highlight something I missed. So again I apologize for making the surrounding conversations unpleasant to partake in. So let's see if we can't make a negative viewpoint a point of interesting discourse.

As should be obvious by now, Amy is one of my favorites and I always have high hopes for her appearances. Since issue two however she has been losing her shine to me and our most recent issue has only made it worse. To me Amy is an always bubbly, optimistic, energetic, mood maker who keeps everyone's spirits high. Yet in the most recent issue she was as worn down as Sonic and freaking out about the possible loss of a team. That's a pretty big contrast right there, and the problem I have is I didn't get to see it happen. I've mostly seen how she normally is, yet this issue she was as worn down as Sonic and all we've gotten are hints to what she has been going through. It's why I enjoyed the Chaotix's introduction the zombot problem as I saw them being them in their typical environment, facing the threat head on and how there normal approaches are affected by the scenario, seeing the consequences of their normal actions in a very unnormal situation, and the settling of dread for realizing their normal methods aren't going to cut it in this case and has lost them Charmy. I got all of that and loved the issue as a result. Cream has talked about the nightmares she's been having and what she has been up to, and while it was a short scene, it felt earned with how recently we had seen her and have it fresh in our minds what she went through and lost. But Amy is in the command center and has nothing showing us the buildup of how she got here from when we last saw her. What could this normally impossible to discourage character have seen and gone through by this point to leave her so worn and battered? I haven't seen it, and in two months I'll be getting the payoff of a character arc that I haven't seen happen yet, despite it being implied to transpire. SO sure there is emotion and weight to what she is experiencing, but I want to see her experiences that led to the emotional weight on her. the weight alone is not enough for me, especially since I saw what the Chaotix and Cream went through before seeing them at the points they are at.

In short, I feel no connection to Amy's current emotional state because I didn't see how she got there and I know the payoff to that emotional state is coming down the road. I kind of hope that maybe her issue will have some flashback scenes to establish how she ended up in the state she is. Sure it may sound like I'm asking for some hand holding when I should just presume the base human situation of people under your command falling to an unstoppable force wrecks you pretty bad, but if I just make that assessment then I also cut out Amy and her character and my ability to sympathize with her personally as a unique individual and not just another survivor of this mess. She's a main character and the one in charge of keeping refugees organized during this mess. If anyone should be getting some focus in this scenario it's her, yet she barely even gets more than the most basic of lines of dialogue before being dragged off to be Captain Commander Rose again. the bubbly energetic girl who never lets anything get her down is down and worn out, and I didn't see it happen. I have to just presume what happened, and for a main character playing a major role in a crisis situation I find that unacceptable. You're obviously of a different mindset and stance on that, and so I would love to hear you demonstrate to me what makes this one concern of mine something that makes the book exciting. My biases and wants are sure to be blinding me to something, so I always appreciate seeing input that shines things in a better light.

Amy has never stayed in one place for this long before she's missing out on everything and she's going to keep missing out on things if she stays the commander.

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23 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

Amy has never stayed in one place for this long before she's missing out on everything and she's going to keep missing out on things if she stays the commander.

Which is weird, considering a Commander is supposed to be leading the charge on the battlefield. Hence why Knuckles actually made what little sense he did in the role.

But then I suppose the Resistance isn't actually a thing anymore.

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I don't mind Amy's current role; mostly because as I said, she's not the focus of the story so its not like I need to see her often. It sucks if you're a big fan of Amy and want to see more of her, but...*shrug*? Not everyone's favorite character is going to appear often.

My only real complaint with Amy is that she's kind of boring right now, but I feel that's less because of the character herself and more that she's currently in a role that doesn't allow her to be around as often. 

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1 minute ago, Kuzu the Boloedge said:

I don't mind Amy's current role; mostly because as I said, she's not the focus of the story so its not like I need to see her often. It sucks if you're a big fan of Amy and want to see more of her, but...*shrug*? Not everyone's favorite character is going to appear often.

My only real complaint with Amy is that she's kind of boring right now, but I feel that's less because of the character herself and more that she's currently in a role that doesn't allow her to be around as often. 

You know what this(and something else last night) makes me think of? That collection of side stories from last semester, episodes like Tales of Ba Sing Se, and to an obvious extent, Sonic Universe.

It might've been cool if we had another number of side stories during certain portions of the story arcs and backstory to focus on characters like Amy with the Restoration, Knuckles with the Resistance, and I guess Shadow either during his absence from the War or not long after it ended. You know, show what they were going through at points and develop their situation & experiences a bit.

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18 minutes ago, Kuzu the Boloedge said:

I don't mind Amy's current role; mostly because as I said, she's not the focus of the story so its not like I need to see her often. It sucks if you're a big fan of Amy and want to see more of her, but...*shrug*? Not everyone's favorite character is going to appear often.

My only real complaint with Amy is that she's kind of boring right now, but I feel that's less because of the character herself and more that she's currently in a role that doesn't allow her to be around as often. 

Amy seems to have lost her silly crush on Sonic, both in Boom and the comic series. Her crazy obsession with Sonic is part of what I like about her. There was funny little scenes in Sonic X, moments in Sonic Riders & Sonic Generations that focused on that. We don't see stuff like that from her anymore.

Is it un-PC now to show her love for Sonic or something? 

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1 minute ago, Myst said:

Amy has really lost her crush on Sonic lately, both in Boom and the comic. Her crazy obsession with Sonic is part of what I like about her. There was funny scenes in Sonic X, moments in Riders & Generations that focused on that. 

Is it un-PC now to show her love for Sonic or something?

Yea, but how does that fit in the current story arc? It's...really not appropriate is it?

Zombie Apocalypse is going on, but let's have Amy fangirl and obsess over Sonic? Does that really seem like a good use of her character?

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Just now, Kuzu the Boloedge said:

Yea, but how does that fit in the current story arc? It's...really not appropriate is it?

Zombie Apocalypse is going on, but let's have Amy fangirl and obsess over Sonic? Does that really seem like a good use of her character?

I was referring to the comic (and franchise) as a whole, not just the current arc.

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6 minutes ago, Myst said:

I was referring to the comic (and franchise) as a whole, not just the current arc.

I know, I'm just saying that a big problem I had with Amy before is how she never really made any contributions to the plot beyond her running gag of obsessing over Sonic. And its like...it's still THERE; issue 2 of the comic springs to mind for one, and even Boom references for the most part.

It's just...its not the ONLY thing she does anymore, which I feel is much better for the character overall. I don't think we need to see her obsess over Sonic in every appearance she makes simply because that's what everyone knows her for. I like how they're putting her in different roles for once. 

 

I'll admit, it does make her a BIT more boring, but not significantly so. 

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11 minutes ago, Myst said:

I was referring to the comic (and franchise) as a whole, not just the current arc.

The entire comic, at least so far and for the forseeable future, is married to the idea of depicting the characters as a resistance force in a war setting. The characters are going to continue to behave this way until the comic decides to drop the war setting.

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I don’t think the problem is she stopped having a crush, she clearly hasn’t stopped that, Boom referenced it heavily and implied Sonic might feel something as well, and Issue 2 of this comic had her address and snap out of it.

The difference is that she isn’t a ridiculously obsessive fan girl that was absolutely and utterly extreme in the mid to late 2000s, especially with Sonic X. Not only is the comic not focusing on her much so far, but Ian in general is trying to play her off as having a harmless crush and being infatuated with Sonic instead of constantly screaming her love and trying to force him into marriage to the point that literally the only point of motivation is that one point. 

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6 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

Most to all characters in the Sonic series are obsessed over something its just that the fans only feel the need to call Amy out on it.

Probably because Amy's obsession feels like the only one that consistently causes discomfort, is overly specific without variation, and doesn't really add to the experience.

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22 minutes ago, Slashy said:

The entire comic, at least so far and for the forseeable future, is married to the idea of depicting the characters as a resistance force in a war setting. The characters are going to continue to behave this way until the comic decides to drop the war setting.

Not the entire comic, not season 2, not the miniseries, when things escalate they team up, simple.

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2 minutes ago, Tangled Jack said:

Not the entire comic, not season 2, not the miniseries, when things escalate they team up, simple.

Season 2 is still a war setting, just the characters are fighting zombots instead of robots.

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