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2 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

Most to all characters in the Sonic series are obsessed over something its just that the fans only feel the need to call Amy out on it.

Umm, no? Rouge likes gem, but not to obsessive level. Knuckles has life beyond ME and Vector doesn't think of money 24/7. When do do get obsessively, then fandom complains. They only people 'obsessed characters are arguably Big, Omega and Metal Sonic, but it works for them.

And frankly, it's to early to judge IDW Amy. She was great in #2, but later scenarios forced her into leader role. It's like reading only "Mecha Sally" arc and concluding that Flynn's writing is dark, gritty and without any comedy.

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3 minutes ago, MetalSkulkBane said:

Umm, no? Rouge likes gem, but not to obsessive level. Knuckles has life beyond ME and Vector doesn't think of money 24/7. When do do get obsessively, then fandom complains. They only people 'obsessed characters are arguably Big, Omega and Metal Sonic, but it works for them.

And frankly, it's to early to judge IDW Amy. She was great in #2, but later scenarios forced her into leader role. It's like reading only "Mecha Sally" arc and concluding that Flynn's writing is dark, gritty and without any comedy.

Saying Rouge, Knuckles or Vector have a life outside of what they want but not Amy is bias and exaggerated.

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8 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

Saying Rouge, Knuckles or Vector have a life outside of what they want but not Amy is bias and exaggerated.

Rouge went from a government outsource to try & stop the past from coming back to haunt the planet to a legit spy with reliable contacts.

Knuckles went from simply protecting his home & legacy to caring about the whole planet and enjoying some time out with friends.

Vector is a detective on perpetual hard times that sometimes waves payment in favor of simply doing what's right by the little guy.(Not to mention almost being a supporting character anyway)

Amy unfortunately hasn't had much outside of her idealism stick for long outside of this comic and Boom.

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15 minutes ago, DabigRG said:

Rouge went from a government outsource to try & stop the past from coming back to haunt the planet to a legit spy with reliable contacts.

Knuckles went from simply protecting his home & legacy to caring about the whole planet and enjoying some time out with friends.

Vector is a detective on perpetual hard times that sometimes waves payment in favor of simply doing what's right by the little guy.(Not to mention almost being a supporting character anyway)

Amy unfortunately hasn't had much outside of her idealism stick for long outside of this comic and Boom.

Amy came from being a plain old city girl to a adventurer with friends and having a goal in life.

Boom and the comic is just someone else that looks like Amy. 

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4 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

Amy came from being a plain old city girl to a adventurer with friends and having a goal in life.

Boom and the comic is just someone else that looks like Amy. 

Her goal is literally centered on one character and nothing else; if you like that part of Amy, but many people found her extremely boring and one note because of it. That's why she gets more hate than others. Nobody likes seeing one-dimensional characters in a series that at least tries to make them come off as nuanced.

Even in Sonic Adventure, Amy's focus isn't even on Sonic but helping someone else. amy's best moments are almost always when she' allowed to do something besides fawn over Sonic and nothing else. Which is why people don't like how Adventure 2 downplayed her. 

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18 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

Amy came from being a plain old city girl to a adventurer with friends and having a goal in life.

 

Hm...true-ish?

I don't know, her love for Sonic is literally not only the baseline of her character, but the crux of her introduction.

I suppose the main thing I'd have to question is the adventurer aspect.

18 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

Amy came from being a plain old city girl to a adventurer with friends and having a goal in life.

Boom and the comic is just someone else that looks like Amy. 

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2 hours ago, DabigRG said:

Now that you bring it up, was that explicitly what she was doing?

It's quite a while since I read most of the early issues and that one in particular is not a priority, but from what I recall, she basically sent a tip to the Chaotix because she thought they'd be able to sniff out Eggman and figure out what he's up to and used that to bullshit her way out of Vector blaming her for the fight.

I do think that what she was doing , and upon further reflection I understand the reason why. Hold on a bit this is gonna be a bit of a ramble.

So first i'm gonna have to start off with something. I'm sorry Ian Flynn I blamed you for something last year, and I think I was strait up wrong.

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Yes I know me being wrong is something that never happens and I want to talk to you about why. Because it answers yes. So last year I was upset about issue 6 and blamed it on ian flynn's desire to use shadow as obstacle  rather than a character because in larger narratives he doesn't really know what to do with him. While I still think this is true... I don't think this is why issue 6 is the way that is. I think sega is.

So in what was published. Rouge admits to giving folks tips so they could get here first and someone stop shadow. Now at the time, I thought it was weird and bad, and I still do. Ian Flynn has written stories where rouge and shadow have strait up talked with each other to solve and issue. So the characterization of each character in this book seems a bit more strict and harsher even outside of shadow. And back in the old book, it was noticeable though people called me and others crazy at the time, that team dark wasn't... team dark. They didn't interact even when it was needed, and instances of rouge trying to tell shadow something was often rendered useless or in the case of the eclipse story done in a way in which she specifically wasn't yelling at just him. To get to the point, I think she did do that , because I think sega doesn't want anyone giving orders to shadow unless its like....super urgent and in the moment and even in the case of the zombies... then some.

Ian flynn talks about how they see shadow and specifically the line of " he doesn't work with anyone unless its conveniently or mutually beneficial in that moment" rings true to his characterization. Even in the recent games outside of sonic boom. Shadow isn't specifically antagonistic to sonic, he's kinda antagonistic.. to everyone. And even in sonic boom the rest of team dark just...wasn't allowed. They seem to at this moment want shadow to be very lone wolf, but what to reference sonic heroes even though its contradictory. So rouge is around ,but can't... say anything to shadow. Even in this past issue, no interact whatsoever.

So I do think that was the intent, but now that I am thinking about it it was most likely to get around a weird restriction in character interaction where somoene at sega was like

" Shadow listens to NO ONE "

23 minutes ago, Kuzu the Boloedge said:

 amy's best moments are almost always when she' allowed to do something besides fawn over Sonic and nothing else.

The best amy had been in years is the boom episodes not about sonic , or her interaction with knuckles in sonic universe.

Its why I think the whole sonic crush thing should be dropped, it wont. She not only is at her best when sonic isn't the focus, she becomes a character. This maybe blasphemy to some, but one of the series biggest fumbles is trying to frame sonic as some center peice, instead of some guy they just happen to know. He isn't really that interesting to focus on characterization wise, and characters like amy would be strait up better if they dropped it

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4 minutes ago, Kuzu the Boloedge said:

I mean, Sonic is still the main character and he IS the centerpiece, so that'd be kind of weird. 

I think a more reasonable way of phrasing it is that while Sonic is indeed the hero of the series, the other characters don't necessarily have to act or be a certain way in the stories because of him all the time.

Amy and to a lesser extent Tails are the main examples of that.

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21 minutes ago, Kuzu the Boloedge said:

I mean, Sonic is still the main character and he IS the centerpiece, so that'd be kind of weird. 

Not at all, you want stories that focus around him sure. The characters aren't obligated and shouldn't really care to much about him. Heck the best version of sonic is sonic boom sonic because of this. He's some guy who actively seems like he's trying to prove himself, because the world he's in is uncaring. It makes his friendships and the people who do care value more because those connections are real and rare.  he's more like spiderman and that's a genuinely interesting version of the character. Its like one of the few versions of him that I could get behind because it felt like he was working to something.

I remember you once saying " you don't want sonic being dragon ball " , I feel like this is the first step to getting there.

Having people care less about him makes them interesting and sonic himself more interesting

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2 minutes ago, Diogenes said:

Not every character needs a strong connection to Sonic but stripping away the few that actually do exist isn't any kind of improvement in my mind.

That's a fair take.

I just don't think amy's connection to sonic has ever been interesting. I'm kinda focusing on her. Like legit the only times I have ever liked amy is when she's not interacting with sonic.

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Amy's crush is fine. It doesn't have to define her character, but I don't really care for the attempts to turn her into a generic female action hero when here quirks are what made her interesting before. If you shave off all her edges in fear that someone might find her annoying you'll end up with a bland character loved by no one.

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26 minutes ago, Wraith said:

Amy's crush is fine. It doesn't have to define her character, but I don't really care for the attempts to turn her into a generic female action hero when here quirks are what made her interesting before. If you shave off all her edges in fear that someone might find her annoying you'll end up with a bland character loved by no one.

Her quirks are i feel like what annoyed most people. While I think she can have more character in IDW because again, it sucks she's just an exposition vessel for sonic forces. But in general I think the move to tone down the sonic stuff and focus on what can make her unique and interesting, is kinda neat.

 

I feel like rouge is the one actually going through the " generification " process, but no one is talking about that

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3 hours ago, Myst said:

Amy seems to have lost her silly crush on Sonic, both in Boom and the comic series. Her crazy obsession with Sonic is part of what I like about her.

 

2 hours ago, Fire-N-Space said:

Boom and the comic is just someone else that looks like Amy. 

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Uh...WHAT?!

 

Sonic BOOM ships Sonic & Amy harder than any other media or universe.

She keeps a photo of Sonic in her house, she wrote fan-fiction about him, and actually do things together, just the 2 them, alone together.

How often in the other media do we get shots of Sonic and Amy like this?

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Heck in the Archie Universe, before or after the Penders Mind Wipe, when was the last Sonic & Amy teamed up together...with just the 2 of them?

Another question: When was the last time Shadow was able to Chaos Spear the Super out of anyone, in his base form?

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10 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

Her quirks are i feel like what annoyed most people. While I think she can have more character in IDW because again, it sucks she's just an exposition vessel for sonic forces. But in general I think the move to tone down the sonic stuff and focus on what can make her unique and interesting, is kinda neat.

 

 

There's nothing unique about being the one in the computer chair.

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2 minutes ago, StaticMania said:

If people found Amy annoying, it was because of flanderization...not the fact that her quirks exist.

Nah dog, Folks found amy mad annoying back in the adventure days because they just didn't like her shtick. It ain't everyone right . I would be lying because people like her. But there are a lot of folks that genuinely do not like amy that much because of that. And its kinda reflected poorly on her character ever since, and it seems as though sega is making active efforts to push her away from that as far as possible. From my understanding amy was ... never as popular as any of the more popular characters, and sega probably wants a girl character who could possibly bring in a different audience. So they are changing her.

2 minutes ago, StaticMania said:

 

Gotta wait a bit on that Rouge take though, that's closer to game stuff than comics stuff.

Do we? So like back in the day, rouge kinda just lost a lot of her spy stuff and she just kinda ended up being " shadow's friend " and team dark was a team and a lot of the characterization that was there was removed in service of this. But now, while they don't want team dark to not be a thing because nostalgia is in vogue and adventure is on the list, but they want to characterize shadow as a loner. So she doesn't get much in way of distinct characterization. She's kinda flirty but uh... its nothing more than that. She's a bit better in the comics, but not by much.

And what sucks is independence doesn't fix this, it would just mean we wouldn't see her.

6 minutes ago, Wraith said:

There's nothing unique about being the one in the computer chair.

No, but her temperament personality and how she handles situations is. She's a great deal more kind and understanding , which despite being a series largely about happy cooperation is actually in short supply among the cast. Along with that , this balanced out with a pretty blunt personality and an ability just outright read what situations are by looking at them. I'm not denying I would prefer her not being in a chair. I'm with you. I feel this story is putting people into places for the sake of it and that just... makes the story less interesting to me.

However to me, what makes her interesting like with most sonic characters is her personality. And even while she isn't the most active, its still communicated. But again, i'm with you , i wish this story hadn't forced her to be oracle from batman.

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56 minutes ago, Wraith said:

Amy's crush is fine. It doesn't have to define her character, but I don't really care for the attempts to turn her into a generic female action hero when here quirks are what made her interesting before. If you shave off all her edges in fear that someone might find her annoying you'll end up with a bland character loved by no one.

 

31 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

Her quirks are i feel like what annoyed most people. While I think she can have more character in IDW because again, it sucks she's just an exposition vessel for sonic forces. But in general I think the move to tone down the sonic stuff and focus on what can make her unique and interesting, is kinda neat.

 

I feel like rouge is the one actually going through the " generification " process, but no one is talking about that

Ya'll do know there's more to Amy's quirks than her crush, right?

I'm not even too emotional about her and I know that.

26 minutes ago, StaticMania said:

If people found Amy annoying, it was because of flanderization...not the fact that her quirks exist.

 

Gotta wait a bit on that Rouge take though, that's closer to game stuff than comics stuff.

Yeah.

What about Rouge?

24 minutes ago, Sonictrainer said:

 

 

Sonic BOOM ships Sonic & Amy harder than any other media or universe.

 

Another question: When was the last time Shadow was able to Chaos Spear the Super out of anyone, in his base form?

Exactly.

He did that to begin with?

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