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1 hour ago, Marco9966 said:

I found these awesome artworks of what the IDW characters would look like in Sonic X, by https://y-firestar.tumblr.com

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Okay, Whisper looks legitimately awesome.

But why is Starline inexplicably tiny?

18 minutes ago, Forgetful Panda said:

The main series should have backup stories again.

That'd be a good idea as well. They can afford.

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6 hours ago, DabigRG said:

What are some of your favorite aspects of these characters, if you don't mind me asking?

For Mina, it's the fact that she's a pop star type of character and for Hope, she brings out layers of Shadow's character that we never see these days.

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Remember my Blaze Arc idea from previous post? For no good reason I planned out whole arc.

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#1 Knuckles is chilling (maybe Sonic is visiting), when ME opens portal to Sol World and Whiskers shows up. After quick battle they retreat. Knuckles concluded that ME is informing him that their sister dimension is in trouble, so he makes few calls. Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Silver and Tangle prepare to safe Blaze, while rest stays to keep eye on Eggman.
#2-3 party splits up and Sonic teams up first with Silver, then Tangle,  saving  Coconut Crew and Marine (maybe Polar Bear vikings) in different Rush Adventure locations, fighting Johnny, Rush 2 bosses and large amounts of pirates, that seem to have much sturdier tech than what Nega or Eggman usually have.
#4 Heroes get lead where 'leader of the resistance is being held and all raid the place. Tails, only one being cautious realizes it's trap set up by Nega. He manages to save Sonic, but everyone else is captured and put under mind control by familiar looking devices. Nega seems to be working for someone.

#5 Sonic is on the run. And he must travel by water of all things. Thankfully he meets Big (who's her with no explanation) and together they manage to find some way around Sonic's hydrophobia.
#6-7 Two part story about Sonic getting on the main ship, fighting Whisker (maybe squeeze Rough & Tumble, finding a new job as pirates) and releasing...Stick the Badger who was leading resistance all this time, not Blaze.
Here's the clever bit: how Blaze let her world be conquered? Was she incompetent and got herself captured? Of corse not, she just never got home. Nega build machine that disrupted Blaze dimension-hopping, trapping her in unknown world. But as a side effect opened portal to Boom, so Sticks got here as well as Lyric, who took over robot pirates, gave them upgraded tech and finally mind control headgears).
Sonic and Sticks beat Whisker and free Tails.
#8 With help of Tails, Sonic locates Blaze in Ifrit World (Rivals 2), where she fought the giant beast all this time, while resisting his mind control. Together they get out and Blaze is ready to get back her home.
#9-12 Big finale, Sonic saving his mind controlled allies (probably using knowledge gained from facing Ifrit) and Lyric who tries using Jeweled Scepter to bring Sentinels (RoL) here. And Nega plays untrustworthy-second in command. If arc needs Eggman, Nega could tip him that Sonic isn't home, for a little action for those who didn't went (although I would suggest miniseries for Shadow or Amy, rather then split final story in half).

 

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13 hours ago, MetalSkulkBane said:

Remember my Blaze Arc idea from previous post? For no good reason I planned out whole arc.

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#1 Knuckles is chilling (maybe Sonic is visiting), when ME opens portal to Sol World and Whiskers shows up. After quick battle they retreat. Knuckles concluded that ME is informing him that their sister dimension is in trouble, so he makes few calls. Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Silver and Tangle prepare to safe Blaze, while rest stays to keep eye on Eggman.
#2-3 party splits up and Sonic teams up first with Silver, then Tangle,  saving  Coconut Crew and Marine (maybe Polar Bear vikings) in different Rush Adventure locations, fighting Johnny, Rush 2 bosses and large amounts of pirates, that seem to have much sturdier tech than what Nega or Eggman usually have.
#4 Heroes get lead where 'leader of the resistance is being held and all raid the place. Tails, only one being cautious realizes it's trap set up by Nega. He manages to save Sonic, but everyone else is captured and put under mind control by familiar looking devices. Nega seems to be working for someone.

#5 Sonic is on the run. And he must travel by water of all things. Thankfully he meets Big (who's her with no explanation) and together they manage to find some way around Sonic's hydrophobia.
#6-7 Two part story about Sonic getting on the main ship, fighting Whisker (maybe squeeze Rough & Tumble, finding a new job as pirates) and releasing...Stick the Badger who was leading resistance all this time, not Blaze.
Here's the clever bit: how Blaze let her world be conquered? Was she incompetent and got herself captured? Of corse not, she just never got home. Nega build machine that disrupted Blaze dimension-hopping, trapping her in unknown world. But as a side effect opened portal to Boom, so Sticks got here as well as Lyric, who took over robot pirates, gave them upgraded tech and finally mind control headgears).
Sonic and Sticks beat Whisker and free Tails.
#8 With help of Tails, Sonic locates Blaze in Ifrit World (Rivals 2), where she fought the giant beast all this time, while resisting his mind control. Together they get out and Blaze is ready to get back her home.
#9-12 Big finale, Sonic saving his mind controlled allies (probably using knowledge gained from facing Ifrit) and Lyric who tries using Jeweled Scepter to bring Sentinels (RoL) here. And Nega plays untrustworthy-second in command. If arc needs Eggman, Nega could tip him that Sonic isn't home, for a little action for those who didn't went (although I would suggest miniseries for Shadow or Amy, rather then split final story in half).

 

What a fantastic cluster of fish. 

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Tangle & Whisper #2, next part of this " mini-series featuring two of the most popular new Sonic characters". A bit early to boast like that, wouldn't you say? Also Just wondering, does anyone knows how sales are doing? I'm curious if sales are satisfying enough for IDW to greenlight more of miniseries (or better yet SU).

Anyway it's good. Not super-explosive awesome, but satisfying.

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So far Mimic doesn't have much in his sleeve beyond "manipulative shape-shifter". And splitting up is like 101 what not to do fighting changeling. With that said I'm ashamed to admit I got fooled by his Whisper charade. Just for a second, but that's exactly how long he needs to strike.
Other than that he just had some Eggman tech and I seen it enough time. Still, he had fairly big artillery for 2 page fight. And how can I complain at giggling bomb with Eggman's grin?

Backstory goes to... guessable direction. They were part of the group "Diamond Cutters", Mimic sold them to Eggman, only Whisper survived. That's what we guessed from part #1 and I hope #3 will add something more.

Not many jokes, but it's fitting with the tone. It's strange how Tangle opened safe at the end, when she was stuck before. But you know what? I'm glad for once people don't narrate everything. It would be more elegant if image showed that both girls hit at the same time, but I'll just assume explosion loosened hinges or something.

Also, being a foreigner I like learning rarely used English words. So thank you Flynn for teaching me "yokel" and "rube". My ability to insult people without them knowing just increased! Not that I do that. Much. You maladroit ignoramus.

On 9/4/2019 at 5:49 AM, DabigRG said:

What a fantastic cluster of fish.  

Um, Thank you?

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Yeah it was real good, I wasn't expecting part 2 to be better, but it was because things got a lot more personal, we knew the reason Whisper wanted Tangle out but it was nice to see her say it explicitly, I wish we could spend more time with these 2, it will feel a really short story if it ends at issue 4, which it does but I'm hoping things are left open ended for more possible stories, and these 2 characters are just beginning their story so it's definitely possible. 

Mimic was ruthless, nice design by the way.

What I predict for future stories:

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Jewel dies, and Tangle has to go through the pain Whisper faced. But without turning into a shy person.

Anyway, I'm excited to read about Whisper's story and I REALLY hope it doesn't feel rushed, with it ending one issue after the backstory.

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For those curious how Sonic is doing: Year 2 sales stabilized around 11-12 thousands. Tangle&Whisper #1 sold 10K.

Is that good? Here how Archie looked like this
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It starts around Endgame (50), with slight uprising possibly caused by release of SA1. It falls down around soap opera times (75-120), and crawls up, but why? Better writing, Sonic x, internet? Can't say, but Flynn didn't automatically fixed everything (he take over almost same time X comic starts). Maybe just stabilized things, with slight upraise post 200  and SU introduction.  And last few spikes are Mecha Sally, Collide followed by reboot and Unite (although Unite only really jumped for 275 anniversary). Strangely post-Unite sales seem to fall lower than even during Flynn writing.

So as long as IDW keeps around 11 thousands, I think we can be optimistic. Comparing to other IDW books: we're similar to Marvel Acton tittles (yes it's IDW), Transformers  or TMNT (all around 10-11K), significantly above MLP (8K) and better than pretty much anything Archie makes (8K or less).

My sources
https://sonicsource.net/2018/05/07/idw-sonic-sales-numbers-breakdown/
https://comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2019/2019-05.html

You know, it makes me "What if Archie 252 Reboot started with issue 1". Who knows, maybe it would still go to this day.

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2 hours ago, MetalSkulkBane said:

Tangle & Whisper #2, next part of this " mini-series featuring two of the most popular new Sonic characters". A bit early to boast like that, wouldn't you say? Also Just wondering, does anyone knows how sales are doing? I'm curious if sales are satisfying enough for IDW to greenlight more of miniseries (or better yet SU).

 

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1) Its a push, its like with a wrestler , they call him the biggest baddest thing around. Even though they may not have actually done anything in that particular wrestling federation yet. Its a push

2) They would be uh... to put it nicely , extremely naive to hinge the future of minisries on two relatively unknown characters.

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3 hours ago, MetalSkulkBane said:

For those curious how Sonic is doing: Year 2 sales stabilized around 11-12 thousands. Tangle&Whisper #1 sold 10K.

Is that good? Here how Archie looked like this
sales.png

It starts around Endgame (50), with slight uprising possibly caused by release of SA1. It falls down around soap opera times (75-120), and crawls up, but why? Better writing, Sonic x, internet? Can't say, but Flynn didn't automatically fixed everything (he take over almost same time X comic starts). Maybe just stabilized things, with slight upraise post 200  and SU introduction.  And last few spikes are Mecha Sally, Collide followed by reboot and Unite (although Unite only really jumped for 275 anniversary). Strangely post-Unite sales seem to fall lower than even during Flynn writing.

So as long as IDW keeps around 11 thousands, I think we can be optimistic. Comparing to other IDW books: we're similar to Marvel Acton tittles (yes it's IDW), Transformers  or TMNT (all around 10-11K), significantly above MLP (8K) and better than pretty much anything Archie makes (8K or less).

My sources
https://sonicsource.net/2018/05/07/idw-sonic-sales-numbers-breakdown/
https://comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2019/2019-05.html

You know, it makes me "What if Archie 252 Reboot started with issue 1". Who knows, maybe it would still go to this day.

Yeah people will tell you the book is failing but honestly it's doing about as good as any other title. The Good thing is that this means we'll definitely see more Mini-Series in the future.

As for if the reboot started at #1 it'd still be going. I seriously doubt that. Archie's incompetence is what lost them the rights and even if they hadn't Archie seems to want to be making their flagship  books their main priority so they're not really interested in paying to use characters anymore.

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I enjoyed that little romp of an issue. Flynn is still going for the heavy tones, but it felt a lot more personal and character driven to me than the main book so I enjoyed it. Probably helps that I like Tangle and seeing the nuance she has time for in this book is a treat.

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Didn't realize that Tangle is claustrophobic though. Did I miss that in a prior volume or was it just slipped in here rather nonchalantly under the radar?

Whisper still isn't doing anything for me, but seeing her emotional range expanded on in this issue was nice. Maybe next issue will give me something to latch onto, but right now Tangle just entertains me more with her goofy antics and balanced nuances.

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25 minutes ago, SBR2 said:

Yeah people will tell you the book is failing but honestly it's doing about as good as any other title. The Good thing is that this means we'll definitely see more Mini-Series in the future.

As for if the reboot started at #1 it'd still be going. I seriously doubt that. Archie's incompetence is what lost them the rights and even if they hadn't Archie seems to want to be making their flagship  books their main priority so they're not really interested in paying to use characters anymore.

Yeah I am gonna have to agree with SBR on the Archie Reboot. A new number 1 wouldn't have mattered. The reboot was poorly handled but it was mainly due to the circumstances that forced it to happen.  It would've needed to been a clean cut, toss out the old continuity all together and start fresh but that would have pissed off long time Archie fans immediately, Ian tried to salvage as much as he could and make it somewhat cohesive for the fans sake.  Also, Archie already shot themselves in the foot a long time ago with how they handled the comic. They stopped caring. They weren't promoting it, the editor or creatives were the only ones doing the promoting. 

IDW has shown to be more behind the comic than Archie had.

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Tangle & Whisper is feeling more like what I'd want out of a Sonic comic than the main comic; more focused cast, more modest scale, more personal stakes. I'm sure part of the difference is that they're working with original characters that they have much more control over compared to the official Sonic cast, but I hope the main comic can at least move away from "every arc is a global threat and every character is involved" eventually.

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13 minutes ago, Diogenes said:

Tangle & Whisper is feeling more like what I'd want out of a Sonic comic than the main comic; more focused cast, more modest scale, more personal stakes. I'm sure part of the difference is that they're working with original characters that they have much more control over compared to the official Sonic cast, but I hope the main comic can at least move away from "every arc is a global threat and every character is involved" eventually.

Exactly! Next arc should just be like Sonic Mega Drive but in modern world.

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TBH, I think that we need both for Sonic. It's something that always have worked well for me in the franchise for me : having both big threat and extreme situation, and some at a more personal level. (and Mega Drive would be too much like the recent game for me, just an arc where the character are cartoony and without a real story. And it's too much like a videogame, it was too forced. It was good for a small anniversary hommage.). They should switch between different type of story.

Personally, a really big threat that is genuine is exactly what I needed for Sonic, I was a bit bored of threat that were presented as terrible, but that was quite nothing in the end.

 

The zombot invasion give me more tension and question about "how they'll manage to solve that" and "how it will affect stuff in the long term", while this story make me less interested by "what will happen" but more by "how will they react to all that". TBH I think that Sonic needs both, because it have been both. They should do breath arc between big arcs though.

 

So, back to the actual book : it was pretty good, even if a bit easy to see everything coming (we got all the classic shapeshifter tropes, like taking the appearance of the old crew, the two character splitting up and that being used by the enemy). The character are quite good, Tangle being claustrophobic was a good idea, and it's nice to see Whisper panic.

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Yeah this is definetly an improvement over the main comic for me. Just a lot of good storytelling and character work in this one issue. It's probably my favorite IDW issue so far trumping 2, 4 and 7. The comi relief at the beginning was great but things escalated so quickly with me catching onto "Whisper" not actually whispering just as he made his move.  Mimic is dope and Whisper's trauma bubbles up in a way that feels really believable. Even Tangle got put in a dark place this time which caught me off guard in a good way. This is probably the first really tense situation she's been in without much support. I hope she matures a little bit without losing that loveable air-headed personality. I can't wait to see these two heal and come back stronger than ever. 

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I still think 12 part arcs feel more natural, they should be either shortened to 10 or extended to more if needed, depending on the threat level and the situation, didn't we do that with Worlds Collide? It was awesome, meanwhile Worlds Unite felt like they were stretching the nothing just to have 12 issues. Here, I'm worried about the length of this story, so much is happening probably due to there being only 4 issues, but it's still too short for me... I don't want it to be rushed, but the good thing is that maybe it will leave me with the feeling that I want more. It's definitely a good story, and I doubt 4 issues are gonna do it justice, that's why I hope they leave things open and hanging for more possibilities, more evolutions and character development.

For the next arc I definitely see something smaller, but my ideal option would be 4 issue mini-arcs that tell a story but are contained within a bigger situation.

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4 hours ago, Razule said:

Not exactly much competition.

Eh? Theres " the six " then everyone else , and while a lot of em might not be as popular as some of the 6 some of em are pretty popular. Unless you mean by way of number

1 hour ago, Marco9966 said:

Exactly! Next arc should just be like Sonic Mega Drive but in modern world.

Can they even do that is the question

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Yea, I'll echo that Tangle and Whisper is generally what I'd want out a Sonic comic series; I suppose it's easier to work with original characters than ones that are mandated to be written to be a certain way. Hopefully the main series can shrink the scale a bit.

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