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9 minutes ago, Kazhnuz said:

 

The only thing that bother me is that her grudge against Shadow seems with that pretty low-key, compared to the blind rage she show against Mimic and Eggman. It could be explained, but it seems a bit strange.

 

It's possible that if it wasn't for Sonic establishing that Shadow's with them early on, she'd have voided him already.

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2 hours ago, Marco9966 said:

The Two-World becomes easier to accept if we look at the many other worlds of Sonic:

Mobius, Earth, Little Planet, Planet Wisp, Lot Hex, Donpa Kingdom, Babylon, Sol Dimension

 

 

 

Don't forget about this place.

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1 hour ago, StaticMania said:

That is excellent.

This must be where Blaze lives. A lively place where nothing's ever the same.

 

28 minutes ago, antyep said:

I think that’s the Special Zone

Yeah, you can see the Sonic 3 version to the right and Sonic is running on the Knuckles Chaotix version.

Where did this image come from, btw? @MainJP

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1 hour ago, DabigRG said:

Duuude, I'm trippin out somethin cereal!

The people who live there must be trippin everyday,

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8 minutes ago, DabigRG said:

 

Yeah, you can see the Sonic 3 version to the right and Sonic is running on the Knuckles Chaotix version.

Where did this image come from, btw? @MainJP

https://www.deviantart.com/liris-san/art/The-Frontier-World-Warps-of-Confusion-469026556

1 hour ago, StaticMania said:

That is excellent.

This must be where Blaze lives. A lively place where nothing's ever the same.

Not Blaze, but Fang does.

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1 minute ago, MainJP said:

The people who live there must be trippin everyday,

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https://www.deviantart.com/liris-san/art/The-Frontier-World-Warps-of-Confusion-469026556

Not Blaze, but Fang does.

Ch'yeah. :lol: Wonder if those two in particular are really that different, though.

Oh it's Fanart! I thought it was some obscure Lost World Concept Art or something.

I'm honestly convinced that that's a slight mistranslation referencing his role in Triple Trouble.

 

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13 minutes ago, DabigRG said:

Wonder if those two in particular are really that different, though.

What u mean?

13 minutes ago, DabigRG said:

Oh it's Fanart! I thought it was some obscure Lost World Concept Art or something.

Looks better than Lost World. You can see the Sonic 1 mazes, the 2 half-pipes, 3&K planets and Chaotix tubes. It's dope.

13 minutes ago, DabigRG said:

I'm honestly convinced that that's a slight mistranslation referencing his role in Triple Trouble.

It's straight from the Japanese manual. It literally says he lives there.

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12 minutes ago, MainJP said:

What u mean?

The city in the first could also be the one in the second.

 

13 minutes ago, MainJP said:

Looks better than Lost World. You can see the Sonic 1 mazes, the 2 half-pipes, 3&K planets and Chaotix tubes. It's dope.

 

Uh?

I meant that it looks similar to some of Lost World's concept art, such as Silent Forest.

13 minutes ago, MainJP said:

 

It's straight from the Japanese manual. It literally says he lives there.

Which doesn't really make sense, but okay.

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5 minutes ago, DabigRG said:

The city in the first could also be the one in the second.

Those buildings look too different.

5 minutes ago, DabigRG said:

Uh?

I meant that it looks similar to some of Lost World's concept art, such as Silent Forest.

Yeah, and I'm saying this is a more visually interesting concept. If this were to ever end up as a regular stage that is.

7 minutes ago, DabigRG said:

Which doesn't really make sense, but okay.

Why not? He probably lives in any one of those cities.

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6 minutes ago, MainJP said:

 

Why not? He probably lives in any one of those cities.

Yeah, I suppose it's fitting to have a weird dimension that often houses rare beryl of infinite energy also houses a criminal who wants to sell them for money.

Wait.

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17 minutes ago, DabigRG said:

Yeah, I suppose it's fitting to have a weird dimension that often houses rare beryl of infinite energy also houses a criminal who wants to sell them for money.

Wait.

There's nothing to say he can't just do it. Maybe nobody cares.

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5 hours ago, Kazhnuz said:

I wonder how Shadow (or a Phantom Ruby clone of him) come into play in her story. Is that it's a Phantom Ruby clone that killed her old gang ? Or maybe that it was because of Shadow that she couldn't help them somehow ? Or that she was angry of Shadow simply because how he acted reminded her of something that was related to the death of her old gang ?

I dont know why she would be angry at him then for that because She wouldn't have interacted enough to gleam that.

I kinda doubt its a phantom ruby clone. Because like they can't mention infinite right? And the only character who seemed to have actively not be allowed or just hasn't said anything about forces or related to it is shadow. seems like there's a restriction on that , I could be wrong though.

All that said I wonder if it will be anything at all? Shadow could legit not show up

The DLC thing is a good guess, you could play that off without having to mention that game or infnite directly

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4 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

I dont know why she would be angry at him then for that because She wouldn't have interacted enough to gleam that.

I kinda doubt its a phantom ruby clone. Because like they can't mention infinite right? And the only character who seemed to have actively not be allowed or just hasn't said anything about forces or related to it is shadow. seems like there's a restriction on that , I could be wrong though.

All that said I wonder if it will be anything at all? Shadow could legit not show up

They've been asked not to use Infinite, but that's actually very easy to workaround. Even moreso if you take previous uses of Dr. Nega, Black Doom, and even Mephiles into account.

And yeah, I would hope they'd be smart enough to save her reckoning with Shadow for another time.

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1 minute ago, DabigRG said:

They've been asked not to use Infinite, but that's actually very easy to workaround. Even moreso if you take previous uses of Dr. Nega, Black Doom, and even Mephiles into account.

Phantom ruby clone shadow with no explanation would be weird. I'm not just talking about work around, narrative it would be weird. Outside amy acting as a vector for exposition the plot had largely moved past it. Even eggman brushed it off as " my last henchmen didn't do well " to drag that all the way back would seem...weird. The DLC idea was really good, it allows for them to go back there but its nebulous enough to which nothing specific needs to be mentioned and you can just imagine when it takes place.

1 minute ago, DabigRG said:

And yeah, I would hope they'd be smart enough to save her reckoning with Shadow for another time.

I'm kinda afraid that wont ever happen

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34 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

Phantom ruby clone shadow with no explanation would be weird. I'm not just talking about work around, narrative it would be weird. Outside amy acting as a vector for exposition the plot had largely moved past it. Even eggman brushed it off as " my last henchmen didn't do well " to drag that all the way back would seem...weird. The DLC idea was really good, it allows for them to go back there but its nebulous enough to which nothing specific needs to be mentioned and you can just imagine when it takes place.

I'm kinda afraid that wont ever happen

Not really.

Amy is will probably not be involved in that story and Eggman handwaving Infinite away is essentially just him saying he doesn't care about using that for his current plan. Whisper has thus far been depicted as her own thing(aside from the nonspeaking Wisps Friends) with her own background. This would also go in hand with Whisper's already established rage towards Eggman for masterminding her losing the people she cared about.

It would likely only take a little bit of obscuring to get by on that explanation: basically, Eggman used the Phantom Ruby's reality blurring illusions to help him conquer world and one of the ways he did this was by creating copies of foes Sonic has fought in the past, including Shadow. These Phantoms were repeatedly shown to be capable of operating on their own, so it's not too hard to establish that the Phantom Shadow crossed Whisper at one point during the war. 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, DabigRG said:

Not really.

Amy is will probably not be involved in that story and Eggman handwaving Infinite away is essentially just him saying he doesn't care about using that for his current plan. Whisper has thus far been depicted as her own thing(aside from the nonspeaking Wisps Friends) with her own background. This would also go in hand with Whisper's already established rage towards Eggman for masterminding her losing the people she cared about.

 

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It would likely only take a little bit of obscuring to get by on that explanation: basically, Eggman used the Phantom Ruby's reality blurring illusions to help him conquer world and one of the ways he did this was by creating copies of foes Sonic has fought in the past, including Shadow. These Phantoms were repeatedly shown to be capable of operating on their own, so it's not too hard to establish that the Phantom Shadow crossed Whisper at one point during the war.

Again could be wrong, I don't think sega wants shadow referenced with that. It kind of seems like they have taken active steps to avoid specifically that. I just don't think its go gonna go in any forces specific direction outside " eggman may have hired them once " if it even goes anywhere at all. Along with the steps taken to avoid mentioning and move past a lions share of that narratives importance on the book.

My expectations are low.

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Btw, I just listened to an interesting question in the latest Bumblekast, and it looks like the classic games are canon after all, but since SEGA hasn't made up their mind on whether they are the past, another dimension or both, he's freezing the situation and will probably not explore the past for now, but focus on the modern side, but apparently they are canon for now.

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15 minutes ago, Tangled Jack said:

Btw, I just listened to an interesting question in the latest Bumblekast, and it looks like the classic games are canon after all, but since SEGA hasn't made up their mind on whether they are the past, another dimension or both, he's freezing the situation and will probably not explore the past for now, but focus on the modern side, but apparently they are canon for now.

I'm pretty sure Classic Games have to be canon, Sonic had to meet all his friends in some circumstances and retconing new ones is  move stupid even beyond Sega decisions.

But who cares? No more Green Hill tyranny. No more Wrecking Ball and Pistons. No more anniversary "Genesis Wave" or "Genesis of Hero" time wasters. We're freeeeee!

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3 hours ago, Tangled Jack said:

Btw, I just listened to an interesting question in the latest Bumblekast, and it looks like the classic games are canon after all, but since SEGA hasn't made up their mind on whether they are the past, another dimension or both, he's freezing the situation and will probably not explore the past for now, but focus on the modern side, but apparently they are canon for now.

SEGA doesnt care and will keep it like this.

Wish they'd accept Mighty and Ray in modern IDW though

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5 hours ago, MetalSkulkBane said:

I'm pretty sure Classic Games have to be canon, Sonic had to meet all his friends in some circumstances and retconing new ones is  move stupid even beyond Sega decisions.

I dont think it's stupid actually? Sonic has existed and is gonna exist. Things are gonna change backstory, canon that sort if thing. It's the nature of the beast. And if say they are making an honest consideration of making classic an alt reality. Giving them new circumstances isnt really bad. It's only bad, if the new circumstances are bad. But this series is primarily for children and these backstories are like decades old at this point. And given how much the series may have fallen out of the spotlight to varying degrees, formal "this is who they are and why they are cool" introductions under more amicable circumstances might be necessary

Now my personal bias here is that if (when) they decide to make classic an alt reality in full,  there's a good chance that 3d sonic is is gonna get a reboot. And they have just been teetering on whether to do it.That's just my thoughts on the matter.

But the act itself isnt inherently bad, infact ints inevitable and problably healthy for what they want. I think what's dumb is this halfway shit between deciding because things kinda suffer when they let this happen. I would prefer if they wanna do something... do it. You wanna go ahead make classic an alternate dimension , roll with it. officially make it its own brand. Redo the 3d aspect, change all those characters and stuff you been trying to change for years. Just.. make a decision , stick to it and make the best version of that thing you can. This teetering feels like it serves no one.

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But who cares? No more Green Hill tyranny. No more Wrecking Ball and Pistons. No more anniversary "Genesis Wave" or "Genesis of Hero" time wasters. We're freeeeee!

You will never escape green hill zone.

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11 hours ago, Tangled Jack said:

Btw, I just listened to an interesting question in the latest Bumblekast, and it looks like the classic games are canon after all, but since SEGA hasn't made up their mind on whether they are the past, another dimension or both, he's freezing the situation and will probably not explore the past for now, but focus on the modern side, but apparently they are canon for now.

 

11 hours ago, MetalSkulkBane said:

I'm pretty sure Classic Games have to be canon, Sonic had to meet all his friends in some circumstances and retconing new ones is  move stupid even beyond Sega decisions.

But who cares? No more Green Hill tyranny. No more Wrecking Ball and Pistons. No more anniversary "Genesis Wave" or "Genesis of Hero" time wasters. We're freeeeee!

Well obviously. The events of Sonic 3, Sonic CD, and one iteration of Sonic 2 clearly happened in some form.

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