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5 hours ago, MetalSkulkBane said:

I'm pretty sure Classic Games have to be canon, Sonic had to meet all his friends in some circumstances and retconing new ones is  move stupid even beyond Sega decisions.

I dont think it's stupid actually? Sonic has existed and is gonna exist. Things are gonna change backstory, canon that sort if thing. It's the nature of the beast. And if say they are making an honest consideration of making classic an alt reality. Giving them new circumstances isnt really bad. It's only bad, if the new circumstances are bad. But this series is primarily for children and these backstories are like decades old at this point. And given how much the series may have fallen out of the spotlight to varying degrees, formal "this is who they are and why they are cool" introductions under more amicable circumstances might be necessary

Now my personal bias here is that if (when) they decide to make classic an alt reality in full,  there's a good chance that 3d sonic is is gonna get a reboot. And they have just been teetering on whether to do it.That's just my thoughts on the matter.

But the act itself isnt inherently bad, infact ints inevitable and problably healthy for what they want. I think what's dumb is this halfway shit between deciding because things kinda suffer when they let this happen. I would prefer if they wanna do something... do it. You wanna go ahead make classic an alternate dimension , roll with it. officially make it its own brand. Redo the 3d aspect, change all those characters and stuff you been trying to change for years. Just.. make a decision , stick to it and make the best version of that thing you can. This teetering feels like it serves no one.

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But who cares? No more Green Hill tyranny. No more Wrecking Ball and Pistons. No more anniversary "Genesis Wave" or "Genesis of Hero" time wasters. We're freeeeee!

You will never escape green hill zone.

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11 hours ago, Tangled Jack said:

Btw, I just listened to an interesting question in the latest Bumblekast, and it looks like the classic games are canon after all, but since SEGA hasn't made up their mind on whether they are the past, another dimension or both, he's freezing the situation and will probably not explore the past for now, but focus on the modern side, but apparently they are canon for now.

 

11 hours ago, MetalSkulkBane said:

I'm pretty sure Classic Games have to be canon, Sonic had to meet all his friends in some circumstances and retconing new ones is  move stupid even beyond Sega decisions.

But who cares? No more Green Hill tyranny. No more Wrecking Ball and Pistons. No more anniversary "Genesis Wave" or "Genesis of Hero" time wasters. We're freeeeee!

Well obviously. The events of Sonic 3, Sonic CD, and one iteration of Sonic 2 clearly happened in some form.

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11 hours ago, MetalSkulkBane said:

But who cares? No more Green Hill tyranny. No more Wrecking Ball and Pistons. No more anniversary "Genesis Wave" or "Genesis of Hero" time wasters. We're freeeeee!

They're not going to let him just not acknowledge the classics forever.

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8 hours ago, Razule said:

They're not going to let him just not acknowledge the classics forever.

Just let me have it while it lasts!

19 hours ago, StaticMania said:

Which pistons?

Egg Pistons? Final Boss of Sonic 1?

I know it's not offical-offical name, but it's best we have. And Mania used it, so who are we to argue?

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On 9/9/2019 at 3:04 AM, MetalSkulkBane said:

But who cares? No more Green Hill tyranny. No more Wrecking Ball and Pistons. No more anniversary "Genesis Wave" or "Genesis of Hero" time wasters. We're freeeeee!

We've seen Green Hill Zone multiple times in the comic. in the current arc alone I can think of at least one time Sonic's had to run out of the city, and the nature we see just outside of it is clearly modeled after GHZ (maybe it's not Literally That but people don't give Windy Hill a pass, so...).

Does this really matter outside of the games anyway? Like I can actually understand not wanting to see it in every main series game like they do nowadays, but I still don't see the problem in...any other context.

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8 minutes ago, Celestia said:

Does this really matter outside of the games anyway? Like I can actually understand not wanting to see it in every main series game like they do nowadays, but I still don't see the problem in...any other context.

It's still played out.

Visually speaking.

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9 hours ago, StaticMania said:

It's still played out.

Visually speaking.

Is it though? In all the mainline games it's been in like 3 since the original. 

I know this is an old comparison but Mario always has more or less the same level structure of starting in Grass and ending in Lava but nobody complains about that. 

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1 minute ago, SBR2 said:

Is it though? In all the mainline games it's been in like 3 since the original. 

I know this is an old comparison but Mario always has more or less the same level structure of starting in Grass and ending in Lava but nobody complains about that. 

Because it's Mario, not Sonic.

Those are two different series with different elements that define them and different approaches to storytelling & game design.

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10 minutes ago, SBR2 said:

I know this is an old comparison but Mario always has more or less the same level structure of starting in Grass and ending in Lava but nobody complains about that. 

That would be because it doesn't.

Like...in any of the games people actually "praise" Mario for, that applies to only 2 games.

Over all it's like 8 games. I've listed all Green Hill (aesthetic) examples before, but the number is 21.

Overall use in Sonic: 14

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10 minutes ago, SBR2 said:

Is it though? In all the mainline games it's been in like 3 since the original. 

I know this is an old comparison but Mario always has more or less the same level structure of starting in Grass and ending in Lava but nobody complains about that. 

Clearly you haven’t been paying attention to the constant complaint about how stagnated the series was since NSMBW pre Odyssey. 

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On 9/9/2019 at 6:04 AM, MetalSkulkBane said:

I'm pretty sure Classic Games have to be canon, Sonic had to meet all his friends in some circumstances and retconing new ones is  move stupid even beyond Sega decisions.

But who cares? No more Green Hill tyranny. No more Wrecking Ball and Pistons. No more anniversary "Genesis Wave" or "Genesis of Hero" time wasters. We're freeeeee!

Yeesh.

You sound like Miraclematter.

On 9/9/2019 at 9:11 AM, Marco9966 said:

SEGA doesnt care and will keep it like this.

Wish they'd accept Mighty and Ray in modern IDW though

They're only established in the Classic dimension. 

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29 minutes ago, DabigRG said:

They're only established in the Classic dimension. 

Doesn't mean he can't wish for it. Things can change. Now will it? Eh...hope so.

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6 hours ago, MainJP said:

Doesn't mean he can't wish for it. Things can change. Now will it? Eh...hope so.

I know, just pointing out the obstacle. 

4 hours ago, Meta77 said:

I'd prefer they stay in the classic realm as well. At least in the gameverse. Along with fang. Now comic wise I think they be fine

Why? 

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2 hours ago, DabigRG said:

I know, just pointing out the obstacle. 

Why? 

They just feel like classic characters. I see classic as the more goofy whimsical side and Rey and mighty seem like that. Like I wouldn't want rouge and shadow in classic verse

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8 hours ago, Meta77 said:

They just feel like classic characters. I see classic as the more goofy whimsical side and Rey and mighty seem like that. Like I wouldn't want rouge and shadow in classic verse

I mean, Rouge could be there if they do a solid Character Check.

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16 hours ago, Your Vest Friend said:

Things won't change regarding that, Mania pretty much proved it. 

No one said it would. There's a difference between hoping and believing.

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I wish more folks were talking about the tangle and whisper stuff, seems neat enough to note. But not a lot of the discussion around the net. Seemed cool, but I dunno maybe it just didn't go over for people

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9 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

I wish more folks were talking about the tangle and whisper stuff, seems neat enough to note. But not a lot of the discussion around the net. Seemed cool, but I dunno maybe it just didn't go over for people

I guess that's unfortunately a matter of both much of the intrigue with Whisper being nearly spelled out here and Tangle being super shallow up to this point from the get go. There's not too-too much there to talk or perhaps speculate about.

I for one am honestly not sure what to think about how the other half of this miniseries will go down.

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Just now, DabigRG said:

I guess that's unfortunately a matter of both much of the intrigue with Whisper being nearly spelled out here and Tangle being super shallow up to this point from the get go. There's not too-too much there to talk or perhaps speculate about.

Well I suppose that's better than the alternative

Looks at the discussion on multiple websites about the main book that are literally on fire about shadow or people who have seemingly just stopped talking about the book because of it

That's one large edgy fire.

Just now, DabigRG said:

I for one am honestly not sure what to think about how the other half of this miniseries will go down.

Me too, pessimistic as this may sound I don't think this is gonna end as interestingly as some may think. I think this might be a pretty safe venture, but I could be wrong.

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