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2 hours ago, dbzfan7 said:

Nah it's more Android saga Vegeta. The peak of being overblown. DBS Vegeta has more to him. Shadow is just Android Saga Vegeta, but I have yet to decide if I think he's worse or not....perhaps by default because he feels like a copy cat, but on the other hand hasn't done anything that stupid.

Well if he did do anything that "stupid" it would be automatically worse than Veggie because unlike him, Shadow isn't from a race instinctively inclined to do things for a better fight or do things out of spite.

 

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1 hour ago, StaticMania said:

Well if he did do anything that "stupid" it would be automatically worse than Veggie because unlike him, Shadow isn't from a race instinctively inclined to do things for a better fight or do things out of spite.

 

I disagree. Shadows stupidity doesn't all but fuck everything over when it comes to the crisis. It makes it worse but doesn't make the chances of winning drop so insanely low. Vegeta basically fucked everyone over by letting Cell become so powerful that even the main character couldn't stop him. So much so they had to rely on a child who was woefully unprepared and even then if not for Cell's ego and curiosity probably woulda failed. In comparison Shadow is actually weaker as he doesn't seem to have access to his full chaos powers and isn't nearly as fast because he can't operate his skates. So both did something stupid, but I'd say Vegeta's was far more catastrophic in fucking everything up.

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2 minutes ago, StaticMania said:

What are you disagreeing with?

Neither of us said what Shadow did was as stupid as Veggie letting Cell get 18.

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Well if he did do anything that "stupid" it would be automatically worse than Veggie because unlike him, Shadow isn't from a race instinctively inclined to do things for a better fight or do things out of spite.

I took this as what Shadow did is somehow stupider than what Vegeta did. My bad if I misinterpreted that, which it seems I have. Though I think I now get the original meaning rather than what I accidentally saw. 

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The fact that it seems contrived to try and force Sonic and Shadow to fight at all probably means they should stop forcing it and make a story involving Sonic and Shadow about something else. Sonic and Shadow can disagree on some things but they don't have to argue and fight every time they come together. The "rival" bullshit is just a label and I'd rather just see friction coming from the two working together than these forced spats that make everyone involved look immature. 

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2 hours ago, Wraith said:

The fact that it seems contrived to try and force Sonic and Shadow to fight at all probably means they should stop forcing it and make a story involving Sonic and Shadow about something else.

This. Ok Sonic Team mandates, not the best. But they didn't force Ian flynn to write a sonic vs shadow story shoved into another story. He did that. The creative team did that. And flynn did this before back at archie. And I just don't mean the sonic vs shadow thing. What I mean is him forcing stories to happen even if elements do not work and make the story worse. Most of the werehog arc was that.

Now I don't know what the situation is over there. Maybe there is are some people who want the sonic vs shadow issues because they sell real good. I dunno Ian Flynn is just a writer he has a lot of people he needs to listen to. So he can keep his job. Like Sega with its weird character mandates.

All i'm gonna say is, if you gonna have shadow and sonic fight, at least write it in an interesting way instead of shoving it into a story where it didn't need to happen and just feels...forced. Maybe Isolate it, dunno. But this was infact, not it. Maybe it gets better, maybe later shadow gets unzobied and provides a riveting speak about taking action that justifies this. But as of current not great.

2 hours ago, Wraith said:

Sonic and Shadow can disagree on some things but they don't have to argue and fight every time they come together.

 

2 hours ago, Wraith said:

 

The "rival" bullshit is just a label and I'd rather just see friction coming from the two working together than these forced spats that make everyone involved look immature. 

To be fair to everyone involved sonic and shadow having different ideologies on how to deal with issues is the deal. So them fighting over things is in itself fine and I don't feel like the issue. However having them work together would have at least shown how they are different heroics wise , like a duality kinda thing.

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4 hours ago, Wraith said:

The fact that it seems contrived to try and force Sonic and Shadow to fight at all probably means they should stop forcing it and make a story involving Sonic and Shadow about something else. Sonic and Shadow can disagree on some things but they don't have to argue and fight every time they come together. The "rival" bullshit is just a label and I'd rather just see friction coming from the two working together than these forced spats that make everyone involved look immature. 

No offense, but aren't fans tired of things like… immediately? We've barely seen Shadow a couple of times, Ian is establishing him as an anti-hero first, his differences with Sonic and interesting moral conflicts, I don't believe it is forced. Just that Shadow is Always on the "wrong" extreme side.

I love the Sonic vs Shadow rivalry personally, and when Shadow acts like a dick, so I'm glad it's here, not all the time of course, but they fought twice in the comic, it's still early, I'm sure next time there will be something different for him, or it really gets tiring, then I will agree.

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Mmh, 4 artists that do the interior, nearly one month of delay… Seems that there have been some production problems during the drawing process (either the pencilling or the inking, as I'm not sure which did what). I just hope that it's not that a problem happened in the life of one of the artists.

 

So, talking about the actual preview :

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I really like that Tails have to go more in a "stealth" way instead of doing full fighting mode like most other character, it's pretty appropriate to the zombie apocalypse mood. Even if I suppose that he will go full Cyclone as two of the cover are showing it xD

 

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4 minutes ago, Kazhnuz said:

Mmh, 4 artists that do the interior (and with a strange division in how some pages where handled, I mean two random page 16 and 19 made by one other person), nearly one month of delay, and art that seems a bit subpar from previous comics… Seems that there have been some production problems during the drawing process. I hope that it's not a personnal problem in the life of one of the artists

 

So, talking about the actual preview :

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I really like that Tails have to go more in a "stealth" way instead of doing full fighting mode like most other character, it's pretty appropriate to the zombie apocalypse mood. Even if I suppose that he will go full Cyclone as two of the cover are showing it xD

 

They should just make Bracardy Curry or Reggie Graham artists instead of just colorists, I'm sure they can meet deadline and still do good art.

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16 minutes ago, Marco9966 said:

They should just make Bracardy Curry or Reggie Graham artists instead of just colorists, I'm sure they can meet deadline and still do good art. 

TBH, I wouldn't infer that it's necessarily a problem with the artists that created the delay. We don't know anything about the "behind the scene", and it's perfectly possible that it's simply something happened that delayed the work (not necessarily a big problem, but maybe just a some things that take times). And the problem being during the artistic process doesn't mean that it can't be an administrative/whatever problem directly in IDW. Or that they had to change something at the last moment because of some reason, etc, etc. It can be a lot of reason, so I wouldn't jump on the soap box just for that.

And if tbh, I'm pretty sure that the editor will give them interior work if both (the colorists and the editor) wants it. And TBH, as colorists are also really important for the comics (and that's the colors are especially a strong point of the IDWSonic comics), I can understand why they would want to keep some excellent colorists as colorists first.

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1 hour ago, Kuzu the Boloedge said:

Kids like seeing Sonic and Shadow fight, Sonic and Shadow fighting sells comics. That's all there really is to it.

do we know that for sure? i mean like i stated it's not like kids just walk into comic shops these days or find these books just laying around any store

 

 

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Just now, Razule said:

I'm guessing it's not adults sending in crayon drawings in the fan letter sections.

I'm not saying it is but unless comic book shops have been cropping up more i don't really see  how these kids are getting easy access to them without their parents using their credit card for Comixology or ordering them online and honestly i don't see many parents really doing that unless they themselves are also sonic fans

i can't believe i keep having to bring up that sonic isn't just a franchise you get into anymore without someone introducing you to it

it's long past the days where sonic merchandise was selling like hotcakes and you couldn't go five feet without tripping over something sonic related

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Rouge_Witchy said:

I'm not saying it is but unless comic book shops have been cropping up more i don't really see  how these kids are getting easy access to them without their parents using their credit card for Comixology or ordering them online and honestly i don't see many parents really doing that unless they themselves are also sonic fans

This obviously doesn't speak for every comic shop, but the ones I've been to have dedicated all-ages sections and virtually any comic shop will order whatever you want as long as you pay for it when it comes in. That and bookstores like Barnes and Noble will usually carry these in their magazine sections and the previous Archie collections (and probably IDW's) are often sorted in the kids' sections of the stores. Kids can and will find these books most of the time.

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even with that in mind is there any real proof that kids like shadow butting heads with sonic just to be a dick and shout "I'm so much better than you sonic" when it doesn't really need to be stated at that moment

where did this idea that children like douchebag edgelords come from anyways?

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Forgetful Panda said:

I know Reggie can do amazing linework, but I wonder if maybe his style is a bit too stylised for an official product (I heard they can be picky about that stuff).

i think Sega really shouldn't be too picky about the artwork otherwise they come off as massive dicks that can never truly be satisfied with the comics

i see nothing wrong with the artwork and i have seen bad artwork in my time reading comics

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1 hour ago, Rouge_Witchy said:

I'm not saying it is but unless comic book shops have been cropping up more i don't really see  how these kids are getting easy access to them without their parents using their credit card for Comixology or ordering them online and honestly i don't see many parents really doing that unless they themselves are also sonic fans

I had Archie for nearly 15 years before I started paying for it myself; and I can assure you the comics industry wasn't any happier in the mid-late 90s than it is now.

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2 hours ago, Rouge_Witchy said:

even with that in mind is there any real proof that kids like shadow butting heads with sonic just to be a dick and shout "I'm so much better than you sonic" when it doesn't really need to be stated at that moment

While I dunno about the motivations part and i'll get to that in a second. They do like sonic and shadow fighting.

2 hours ago, Rouge_Witchy said:

where did this idea that children like douchebag edgelords come from anyways?

 

 

Again the motivation part is varibale, but kids and people in general tend to like " edgelord " characters in general.

And while there is a chance there's children who prefer this , and I think its good healthy to acknowledge this could be the case  (there are a buncha kids who grew up with shadow with no context ) I don't think this is the motivation. The motivation is simplification. And that doesn't work for shadow because while he isn't the deepest character in the world, he requires...nuance. And that's just not what they want to do.

They want to change the characters to be more malleable and simpler, while also referencing older things. I personally think this will lead to failure. I think this is the result of sega teetering on a choice for the 3d era of sonic. Do they lean into nostalgia or do they just finally reboot/retcon/restructure everything. The fence sitting on this decision has caused a bunch of unfortunate destruction , and shadow' characterization is part of it.

 

2 hours ago, Rouge_Witchy said:

i think Sega really shouldn't be too picky about the artwork otherwise they come off as massive dicks that can never truly be satisfied with the comics

i see nothing wrong with the artwork and i have seen bad artwork in my time reading comics

I would say I would like to see different art styles entirely in the comic, but I would imagine sega wants things to be on brand

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6 hours ago, Rouge_Witchy said:

i think Sega really shouldn't be too picky about the artwork otherwise they come off as massive dicks that can never truly be satisfied with the comics

i see nothing wrong with the artwork and i have seen bad artwork in my time reading comics

Looking at a few of the issues we've gotten, I think their standards are easy enough to satisfy. 

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