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As someone who hasn't payed much attention to alternative Sonic media before IDW I feel like jumping into the Zombot Arc  this early would have worked better back in the 2000's, when I still had a clear idea of who these characters are supposed to be and what kind of world they occupy. As much as I felt Forces was a step in the right direction characterization-wise it still hasn't quite washed out the bad taste left in my mouth by the likes of Colors Sonic, Free Riders Shadow, Lost World Tails, or Boom Knuckles. With only twenty-two issues and the annual to go on I'm still largely relying on Ian's reputation and what little I've read of his Archie work to reassure me that these are the characters I know and love and, as the Shadow debacle makes clear, that's still no guarantee they'll be safe from SEGA's bullshit. The ambiguity created by the whole two-worlds nonsense and the IV drip rate of content (I don't know how long 20-some-odd pages is by comic book standards, but I often feel like the pacing would benefit from another 5-10 per issue) don't help matters either.

Overall I like it, but it could be better too.

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4 minutes ago, Bowbowis said:

As someone who hasn't payed much attention to alternative Sonic media before IDW I feel like jumping into the Zombot Arc  this early would have worked better back in the 2000's, when I still had a clear idea of who these characters are supposed to be and what kind of world they occupy.

 the IV drip rate of content (I don't know how long 20-some-odd pages is by comic book standards, but I often feel like the pacing would benefit from another 5-10 per issue) don't help matters either.

These are important points as well.

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8 hours ago, Bowbowis said:

The ambiguity created by the whole two-worlds nonsense and the IV drip rate of content (I don't know how long 20-some-odd pages is by comic book standards,

It's the standard length of a comic book. The only time they get extended is typically if there's a few bonus pages trying to advertise another series. For example, a few Marvel/DC/IDW books have an extra 5/10 pages showing a preview of Issue 1 of another comic. 

Other than that, the only time you get more is 48/50 page specials which are the Annuals, or occasionally - double-length issues for huge milestones, such as TMNT's 50th issue.

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42 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

Amy is so serious right now its cringey just like this plot.

While I don't have a problem with the plot, I will say I always envisioned Amy as being too flighty to be believable in a leadership position. That said, I can't really think of anyone else in the cast who would be effective in leading a large organization either. Knuckles has the diligence but is too solitary; Shadow has the logical mind-set but is too ruthless; Sonic has the charisma but not the patience; Tails has the brains but not the confidence; the list goes on. Really the characters I can't immediately strike out are Vector (who I can't imagine leading The Restoration for free), Blaze (who has her own dimension to worry about), and some minor one-or-two-shot characters and like Shade and the GUN Commander. Everyone else lacks either the temperament or skill-set.

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7 hours ago, Fire-N-Space said:

Amy is so serious right now its cringey just like this plot.

 

6 hours ago, Bowbowis said:

While I don't have a problem with the plot, I will say I always envisioned Amy as being too flighty to be believable in a leadership position. That said, I can't really think of anyone else in the cast who would be effective in leading a large organization either. Knuckles has the diligence but is too solitary; Shadow has the logical mind-set but is too ruthless; Sonic has the charisma but not the patience; Tails has the brains but not the confidence; the list goes on. Really the characters I can't immediately strike out are Vector (who I can't imagine leading The Restoration for free), Blaze (who has her own dimension to worry about), and some minor one-or-two-shot characters and like Shade and the GUN Commander. Everyone else lacks either the temperament or skill-set.

You know, some people say Tangle in "new Sally", but I think it's more like she's "new Amy", while Amy is new Sally.
Tangle is a civil-join-heroes, very emotional and hyper-fangirl over heroes.
Amy is smart leader that acknowledges how hard her job is, with vague romance on Sonic.
Strange, isn't it?

With that said, maybe that's the point. Amy was always very emotional. She learned how to be more cool-headed, but it seems like it's exhausting for her. I really think Flynn should introduce 2-in-command to her, who'll eventually take over, keeping Restoration still existing, but much less important that it is right now.
Jewel would actually be a good candidate. She's well organized and likes helping people, but doesn't want to fight on the front line. Plus it would be good way for her to stick around, without coming back to her town.

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Yeah I definitely got the impression Ian kinda morphed Amy into Sally since he can't use her given her penchant for making plans and giving orders. Though it's less his fault and more Sega for giving her that role in Forces to begin with (technically Knuckles was the leader but he was very bad at it). Still overall like her character tbh least it shows some growth on her part rather than just be a hanger on for Sonic 

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I wouldn't call Amy "cringy", but she's certainly not as plucky and upbeat as she usually is. Granted, the situation they're in is incredibly shit so there's that. But she's definitely more subdued and lower key.

 

I'm on the fence if that's a good change or not.

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1 hour ago, Fire-N-Space said:

This comic misses the key features of Amy and treats them like a unimportant side trait and I still don't get the idea why Amy needs to grow. 

The Adventure games do play on the idea that Amy's infatuation with Sonic stems largely from her desire to be a hero like he is and, much like Tails, her character arc deals with her maturing and becoming a hero in her own right. Amy 's role in the comic though does seem to fit more with Boom counterpart, who more or less subsumed Knuckles' role as the stubborn, proud, focused, hard-working, and responsible member of the team (on top of stealing his treasure hunter gimmick).

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14 hours ago, Bowbowis said:

While I don't have a problem with the plot, I will say I always envisioned Amy as being too flighty to be believable in a leadership position. That said, I can't really think of anyone else in the cast who would be effective in leading a large organization either. Knuckles has the diligence but is too solitary; Shadow has the logical mind-set but is too ruthless; Sonic has the charisma but not the patience; Tails has the brains but not the confidence; the list goes on. Really the characters I can't immediately strike out are Vector (who I can't imagine leading The Restoration for free), Blaze (who has her own dimension to worry about), and some minor one-or-two-shot characters and like Shade and the GUN Commander. Everyone else lacks either the temperament or skill-set.

Vector would totally do it for free. At least if he's written correctly. Its written in a few of his character bios that he always helps people in need for free, something that understandably makes it so that the Agency can sometimes be hard to keep cash. Also, Ian agrees with that sentiment too. He would have picked Vector. He gave the reasons as to why it was Amy and the ideas for exploring how stressful the position is going to be for her but I can only paraphrase it here due to it being talked about so long ago. This Amy thing keeps getting brought up for some reason.

5 hours ago, Soniman said:

Yeah I definitely got the impression Ian kinda morphed Amy into Sally since he can't use her given her penchant for making plans and giving orders. Though it's less his fault and more Sega for giving her that role in Forces to begin with (technically Knuckles was the leader but he was very bad at it). Still overall like her character tbh least it shows some growth on her part rather than just be a hanger on for Sonic 

Now, I CAN assure you that he definitely isn't thinking her as a replacement Sally though. Whether or not she comes off as that is up to you of course. I do still find Amy a lot more approachable and bubbly than Sally in this book but I do find myself desiring more of a chance to see her the way she was in Issue 2 again, however, the context of the situation makes it fine. I get that the point is that the situation has granted her maturity. We've gotten signs in the comic that her regular personality isn't gone. It's just on hold due to the intense situation and I'm cool with it.

4 hours ago, StaticMania said:

Is Sonic suppose to be saying this?

"Hey guys. Cheer up. Just look at me and how totally not miserable I am..."

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"The sky with stars so bright... the colors feel so...megh... I've never felt like this I keep on... keep on... I need a nap..."

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4 hours ago, Petrifying Panda said:

Tbf with their world the way it is right now, she doesn’t have much to be plucky and upbeat about.

“Cheer up guys! There’s no way we’re gonna let this zombot apocalypse beat us!”

Cheering people up when they're down IS Amy's thing though, so it's not really out of character.

Which is why I'm on the fence about the change until I see where it goes. 

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Issue 22 was good in my opinion. The Vector thing surprised the heck out of me.

For someone who grew up with the George A Romero Living Dead movies this arc is a real treat. It's full of little nods to those movies. I know it won't go on forever but I'm in no hurry to see it conclude just yet.

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1 hour ago, Kuzu said:

Cheering people up when they're down IS Amy's thing though, so it's not really out of character.

Which is why I'm on the fence about the change until I see where it goes. 

The idea that the zombot apocalypse is so bad that even Amy has lost the will to look on the bright side could be an interesting way to look at it.

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She hasn't really had many one on one time with others, and I like that as of the newest issue the exhaustion's been hitting her is pretty interesting to me. A character who usually (tries to) cheer people up needing to be cheered up sometimes isn't a bad thing.

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10 hours ago, MetalSkulkBane said:

 

You know, some people say Tangle in "new Sally", but I think it's more like she's "new Amy", while Amy is new Sally.
Tangle is a civil-join-heroes, very emotional and hyper-fangirl over heroes.
Amy is smart leader that acknowledges how hard her job is, with vague romance on Sonic.
Strange, isn't it?

With that said, maybe that's the point. Amy was always very emotional. She learned how to be more cool-headed, but it seems like it's exhausting for her. 

Bringing that up again, eh?

But, yeah. I'm surprised it took this long for anyone to draw that  other conclusion.

8 hours ago, Soniman said:

Yeah I definitely got the impression Ian kinda morphed Amy into Sally since he can't use her given her penchant for making plans and giving orders. Though it's less his fault and more Sega for giving her that role in Forces to begin with (technically Knuckles was the leader but he was very bad at it). 

Technically, Knuckles was a Commander while Amy was Tech Support for some reason.

5 hours ago, Fire-N-Space said:

This comic misses the key features of Amy and treats them like a unimportant side trait and I still don't get the idea why Amy needs to grow. 

Amy started out as a joke character who chased Sonic around like the lovesick fangirl and that's been the baseline for most of her appearances. Some want there to be a little more to her than that, particularly when Sonic isn't around and the time isn't right.

4 hours ago, Bowbowis said:

The Adventure games do play on the idea that Amy's infatuation with Sonic stems largely from her desire to be a hero like he is and, much like Tails, her character arc deals with her maturing and becoming a hero in her own right. Amy 's role in the comic though does seem to fit more with Boom counterpart, who more or less subsumed Knuckles' role as the stubborn, proud, focused, hard-working, and responsible member of the team(on top of stealing his treasure hunter gimmick).

 

Uh, archeology, but whatever.

 

3 hours ago, Dr. Franken-Mike said:

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that last one looks like a reaction image.

2 hours ago, Kuzu said:

Cheering people up when they're down IS Amy's thing though, so it's not really out of character.

Which is why I'm on the fence about the change until I see where it goes. 

 

1 hour ago, Petrifying Panda said:

The idea that the zombot apocalypse is so bad that even Amy has lost the will to look on the bright side could be an interesting way to look at it.

 

1 hour ago, Celestia said:

She hasn't really had many one on one time with others, and I like that as of the newest issue the exhaustion's been hitting her is pretty interesting to me. A character who usually (tries to) cheer people up needing to be cheered up sometimes isn't a bad thing.

It's hard to tell people everything will be okay when almost all the efforts made under your watch haven't been so.

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Finally got a new laptop computer after YEARS of not having one. So I can work on artwork agains. And I can post here and read issues again. With all that said.. HOLY CRAP this arc is insane. I see what Ian meant when he said he got away with alot this time. I'm calling super sonic curing himself tho. I like how ruthless Eggman is with the metal virus. I actually feel bad for the cast.. which is insane. Tho we all know Sonic's gonna save the day. It's just HOW is the question. So far so good tho, loving how this arc is playing out. And random question about sonic ingeneral. Anyone notice how Sonic stories tend to lean abit darker then they should? Like in all media too, maybe it's just me but they tend to slide more darker then most. I don't mean everything's grim dark.. but for the most part I think alot of the sonic stuff is around PG-13 at times. I guess it's mostly due to it being an action series/ scifi at heart so Sonic plays with a lot of deeper themes. Tho that last point is more true for everything but the games but yeah. 

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56 minutes ago, DabigRG said:

Amy started out as a joke character who chased Sonic around like the lovesick fangirl and that's been the baseline for most of her appearances. Some want there to be a little more to her than that, particularly when Sonic isn't around and the time isn't right.

I strongly disagree with this having a big crush on someone doesn't make you a joke character or person. 

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3 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

I strongly disagree with this having a big crush on someone doesn't make you a joke character or person. 

Amy was a joke character in the sense that she was a random little girl who would just show up like it's nothing and have little to do with anything else.

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