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18 hours ago, Tangled Jack said:

I'm pretty sure she has 5. Unless I missed something.

 

3 hours ago, DabigRG said:

Does she?

 

She is designed to hold six Wisp capsules under that cloak. Her packing a sixth secret Nega-Wisp has been a popular fan theory since she was first introduced

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Probably, at this point I kind of prefer short stories like the miniseries, but I think 12 issues a la season 1 is just perfect. The thing is, although it's getting a little repetitive with the zombie type of story… things are in climax now, so… it would be kinda a pity to end the arc now, I do want to see it get worse and twist it with new plots. What do you think about this?

As for the Wispon and the Sixth wisp… good eye, I definitely didn't notice THAT.

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Personally, I’m in no rush to see the Zombot arc end. It feels like things are finally getting into full swing, especially now that the Restoration’s base has fallen. My biggest complaint with Year 1 is how quickly Metal’s occupation of Angel Island was dealt with after all the build-up. In fact, the pacing of the whole comic feels kind of rushed so far. I actually want to see this play-out more, not just race to get through all the necessary plot-points ASAP.

Maybe I’m just too used to longer-form media to appreciate IDW’s breakneck pace?

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I don't want it to go until 12 more issues either, up to Sonic #30 at max. But yes, things are just getting interesting now, it's be criminal to abruptly end everything in 2 issues. What would be cool is entwined arcs, like the Zeti are being introduced, right? Finish the zombots at mid season 3 and focus on the D6 with some other new twist.

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5 hours ago, Tangled Jack said:

The thing is, although it's getting a little repetitive with the zombie type of story… things are in climax now, so… it would be kinda a pity to end the arc now, I do want to see it get worse and twist it with new plots. What do you think about this?

 

 

1 hour ago, Bowbowis said:

Personally, I’m in no rush to see the Zombot arc end. It feels like things are finally getting into full swing, especially now that the Restoration’s base has fallen. My biggest complaint with Year 1 is how quickly Metal’s occupation of Angel Island was dealt with after all the build-up. 

 

Yeah that's sorta the thing. Eggman and the Deadly Six getting involved arguably makes it feel like its becoming a new story.

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The posterchild for "this arc ran too long" is the whole Unleashed adaption - and barley anyone cuts it any slack for rolling in several alternate arcs in the middle of its run time. Good arcs even. The STF arc is widely considered one of the best arcs over the comics run and that came dead smack in the middle of the Unleashed adaption.

Even if this zombot craze were to get broken up with a few side-stories, some people would likely still bemoan it dragging on for too long. Even if the side content was great. We live in an instant gratification kind of world.

I think the pacing is adequate so far for the metal virus saga. Ian's giving the whole thing plenty of room to breathe and the narrative isn't being stagnant in how its handling its focus. We've actually gotten to rifle though a bunch of different characters approaching the situation from different angles to the extent that several of these issues hardly even feature Sonic. Its letting us see Tails do what he does best. Its letting us see Amy handle businesses, instead of just asking us to use our imagination or shoving it into the background. As a fan of the other characters, maybe I just appreciate that more.

Not to mention its reversed the status quo from year one. All anyone could talk about before was Sonic+Friend team up to deal with threat and then Sonic moves on to next fight. Now we have Sonic panicking over losing friends left and right and each issue ups the casualty count. Its using it extended cast to its advantage. Pretty soon we'll have to deal with the inevitable fallout of the final battle against a horde exclusively compromised of Sonic's best friends... if not Sonic himself.

I want to see that and I want to see the story take its time to get there.

 

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39 minutes ago, Petrifying Panda said:

Making spin-off stories during this arc would be next to impossible because of how dominating the arc is. Most of, if not all the major characters on Sonic’s world will be zombots by issue 25.

Only thing I can think of is a Knuckles arc of some kind.

Which would be really funny. There's the usual comic book text box "THIS TAKES PLACE DURING THE EVENTS OF THE ZOMBOT CRISIS" and then the story starts and Knuckles is completely oblivious to all that, in middle of a relatively mundane problem of some kind on his good ol' island.

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I agree that the arc is pretty good, just want to see it "evolve" into something new, but Last Minute is pretty good at breaking the formula, it does give new perspectives, I wish Silver was a major character in it.

Knuckles… will show up. It's been too long. I mean, he's in the map of the world, right? He's gotta appear before the end.

As for a different mini-series, I could only see a Blaze arc, it's the only way it would not be "infected" by this crisis.

I'm also gonna take a guess at saying this arc has proven to be very popular, IDW saw this and probably asked Ian to extend it, that or it's simply creative decisions to do more with the arc.

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I've been thinking about how to better utilize Shadow in this arc, both from a character and story perspective. What if Shadow's disease immunity actually did protect him from the effects of the Metal Virus? But, because of its unusual techno-organic properties, his immune system isn't able to purge it outright, causing him to become a carrier despite being asymptomatic. Because he shows no signs of infection, he's let into the base with the refugees he's escorting and not subjected to any of the precautions taken with Sonic or Charmy, which leads to the infection in the base. Deciding its to risky for him to join the survivors on the escape shuttle Shadow willingly stays behind in the base, putting even more pressure on Tails to find a cure, before the Zombots are able to pin Shadow down and kill him.

He could even become a Chekhov's Gunman of sorts where, with Sonic fully turned and all facilities with the proper equipment overrun, Tails' last hope of creating a cure is to walk an exhausted Shadow through the process before he's overwhelmed by the Zombots encroaching on his position.

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My thoughts.

So like I feel two ways about it

More analytical approach:

The story STARTED too long. Much like with the werehog arc, should have been a one issue for funzies situation and not been any longer than that. When telling these types of stories, and I don't just mean zombies stories. I mean stories where characters autonomy is taken away for long periods of time, it needs to be justified. Something needs to be communicated by the significance of that, it has to mean something. Particularly in sonic where autonomy and characters feeling free is kind of the whole deal. And the story never justifies it, ever. There is nothing interesting in this story that couldn't be told in a story that doesn't do this.

And the story at multiple points already has admitted its own failures, the recent issue felt forced as fuck. All those zombifications loose their steam because it doesn't feel like something that happened naturally, it felt like something that happened because plot needed to happen. And don't get me started on shadow again. Its forcing the issue, which i dunno when a character can't be justified in doing what they are doing and you as the person telling that story needs to throw them into the plot. Maybe... you shouldn't be telling this story. Ian flynn has a flaw of extending shit that shouldn't be extended and this very much seems like one of those things. There's nothing interesting coming out of it. I fear this story is going to be looked upon more and more poorly as time goes on. He shouldn't have forced a zombie story year 2, its not gonna work out in the long run.

This story already has people going " maybe this is getting a bit too long in the to tooth " and eventually those people kinda start crapping on it forgetting any hype the had for the premise in the beginning. And if say they really don't want anything like this in the future, you may have to use a fighting game analogy " Used your EX bar on super 2 seconds into the 2nd round, missed or they blocked it and now you have no meter  " and much like a fighting game meter...you gotta build that back. And you gotta build that trust back with the audience. An audience who has not stopped talking about how shitty a portrayal was, and your zombieifications seem to get less conversation than that criticism. So you know for your sake, our sake and the comic's sake

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My bias: Until shadow gets ground work, all stories are going on too long. Shadow ain't get a proper character yet, but you really wanted him to be  a zombie. Yeah no fuck this story.

So you know...two ways

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6 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

 There's nothing interesting coming out of it.

#1.) Potential Final Boss Zombot Sonic.

#2.) Potential Final Boss Infected-Hero Zombot Horde

#3.) Combination of 1 and 2.

 

That's something that almost everyone would look forward to. You don't agree?

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1 minute ago, Sega DogTagz said:

#1.) Potential Final Boss Zombot Sonic.

Evil sonic as a premise has never been interesting to me outside of one scenario. Scourge. Because its sonic with his personality twisted in a way that's bad. A sonic that has no personality or no autonomy just ...hitting things is uninteresting.

If the zombies were like MK zombies where they undead assholes who embodied the worst parts of a persons personalities and desires, I would be down. But they just growl. Who gives a shit about that.

1 minute ago, Sega DogTagz said:

#2.) Potential Final Boss Infected-Hero Zombot Horde

 

1 minute ago, Sega DogTagz said:

#3.) Combination of 1 and 2.

Read response to one

 

1 minute ago, Sega DogTagz said:

That's something that almost everyone would look forward to. You don't agree?

Nah

Shits wack, Shit was wack from conception.

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3 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

Evil sonic as a premise has never been interesting to me outside of one scenario. Scourge. Because its sonic with his personality twisted in a way that's bad. A sonic that has no personality or no autonomy just ...hitting things is uninteresting.

If the zombies were like MK zombies where they undead assholes who embodied the worst parts of a persons personalities and desires, I would be down. But they just growl. Who gives a shit about that.

Good thing this has less to do with making an "Evil Sonic" and more about skirting the status quo in a comic where Sonic isn't allowed to "lose".

I think your in the tiny minority of people who wouldn't want to see this arc end up with a 100% zombot Sonic, if even only for a little bit. That would be significant. People would give shit about that.

 

3 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

Shits wack, Shit was wack from conception.

You're free to your interpretation... but it really feels like your cutting off your nose to spite your face.

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7 minutes ago, Sega DogTagz said:

Good thing this has less to do with making an "Evil Sonic" and more about skirting the status quo in a comic where Sonic isn't allowed to "lose".

So the interesting thing about sonic loosing isn't about him loosing. Its about what he does with that, and this doesn't really characterize sonic different enough to make that interesting.

The only potential thing that could come out of sonic loosing that would be mildly interesting , is shadow being upset about the whole murder thing. But even then, does sonic change? No, a lot of these characters can't change. So hinging your entire narrative on a value judgement like that is stupid in the first place, there's nothing new that can be explored because they are stagnant. So the only interesting thing that could have come out of this story has been rendered moot by the IP holder.

He's just tired, and ...ok cool You could have wrote a story where he doesn't rest for a while. Why we need zombies for that. Congratulations sonic boom told that story better. Neat

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I think your in the tiny minority of people who wouldn't want to see this arc end up with a 100% zombot Sonic, if even only for a little bit. That would be significant. People would give shit about that.

If you think that, believe what you want.

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You're free to your interpretation... but it really feels like your cutting off your nose to spite your face.

No I've read stories before and this was uninteresting from jump. Ian flynn sometimes wants to tell stories so much for so long that its not really worth it in end. This is one of those situations where taking the L on this story and just doing some less dramatic stuff probably would have been better

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10 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

So the interesting thing about sonic loosing isn't about him loosing. Its about what he does with that, and this doesn't really characterize sonic different enough to make that interesting.

He's just tired, and ...ok cool You could have wrote a story where he doesn't rest for a while. Why we need zombies for that. Congratulations sonic boom told that story better. Neat

I guess you missed the part where Sonic is kicking himself for not being able to do enough to help his friends or actually stressing over not losing the next one off the checklist. He's second guessed himself several times already.

Its doing quite a bit of that. Characterization in the face of Sonic on the losing end. And every ally that falls and the closer we get to the finale, that's only going to weigh on him more and more. Its only going to make him more desperate and more introspective.

The beautiful thing about Zombie stories is that every loss for the heroes is a potential net gain for the enemy. Robotization is an an essence has always been a zombie proxy. Not only does this arc bring that to the forefront, but it runs with it.

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If you think that, believe what you want.

Fans who enjoy watching Sonic suffer is kind of a running gag in the fandom.

I feel confident in saying that what I want to believe is also the prevailing mainstream opinion.

 

 

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Just now, Sega DogTagz said:

I guess you missed the part where Sonic is kicking himself for not being able to do enough to help his friends or actually stressing over not losing the next one off the checklist. He's second guessed himself several times already.

If it results in something more meaningful than " Dang . I kind of messed up " i'll say it did something... until then.... eh? Everyone messes up, its what you do about it its how people react to it that make it interesting. And sonic's stagnant so he can't do anything about it and the only other person who has any meaningful reaction to it was zombified and sonic has said nothing about that person since.

Just now, Sega DogTagz said:

Its doing quite a bit of that. Characterization in the face of Sonic on the losing end. And every ally that falls and the closer we get to the finale, that's only going to weigh on him more and more. Its only going to make him more desperate and more introspective.

The last couple didn't even have sonic in them and I don't really think he's doing any interesting introspection. Because he can't.

Just now, Sega DogTagz said:

The beautiful thing about Zombie stories is that every loss for the heroes is a potential net gain for the enemy. Robotization is an an essence has always been a zombie proxy. Not only does this arc bring that tot he forefront, but it runs with it.

As a reader , I don't care about that? I come to this sonic comic to see my favorite characters do cool shit. My favorite character can no longer do that because he's a zombie. I couldn't give a fuck less

Just now, Sega DogTagz said:

Fan who enjoy watching Sonic suffer is kind of a running gag in the fandom.

I guess

Just now, Sega DogTagz said:

I feel confident in saying that what I want to believe is also the prevailing mainstream opinion.

Sure dog

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No offense but since the comic kinda dropped Shadow, it's natural at this point that your interest dropped as well, because... Not much else catches your attention.

My opinion: Shadow was done bad service in the arc, he was used as a plot device and as a casualty, so IMO he shouldn't have appeared at all in the Metal Virus saga if he wouldn't get a proper treatment. They should have focused on a smaller cast for me, although it's a world level crisis so it's natural everyone is involved.

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