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1 hour ago, Tangled Jack said:

If they get access to the human world, and I don't think there is a mandate against that, Ian can write stories about Shadow and GUN, didn't he also say he's love to do that concept as a permanent book? That was during Archie reboot days, now there are more restrictions sure, the point is still that he loves the idea, it's gonna happen someday, when Sega becomes more reasonable. Considering Episode Shadow, I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet, really.

I think has said he can, issue is he thinks the concept is too confusing to start our with

With shadow in particular sega has changed him for better ( confirmed gun disconnect) and for worse ( shadows current personality or lack their of) in a way I dont think he can work with in the way he wants. This is ontop of any restrictions they may put on, he isnt privy too yet or ones he is aware of. Cant write a shadow and gun story if he dont work for em. And do you want to write a story about gun if they are acting crazy about stuff right now. Ian seems apprehensive to test some waters and it makes sense.

And maybe sega does move shadow In a better direction, cool. If they dont, which is also very possible it makes things complicated

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5 hours ago, Kuzu said:

I mean, its not like we haven't had conflicting characterizations before 2010; this has been a problem with the series for a while. Its just that before Colors, they at least TRIED to be somewhat consistent.

 

4 hours ago, Kuzu said:

If you're going to give a character arc about a character overcoming their innermost issues, but still want them to have some level of flaws that just makes it all the more important for there to be some level of consistency so their actions make sense to the reader otherwise we end up in situations like this questioning why said character is acting in such a way contrary to what they have experienced before. 

 

There's absolutely nothing wrong with a flawed character, but there's a time and a place for it. I don't think Shadow's actions in the Metal Virus saga are meant to be reflective of any great character arc but that Ian wanted him out of the story, likely to increase the stakes, and was mandated by Sega on how to do it. 

Essentially.

5 hours ago, Diogenes said:

 

And, bringing it back to IDW, it's not like he's been pissed at Sonic without reason. In his introduction he's pissed about Forces, intends to be more proactive in stopping Eggman rather than risking another world takeover, and Sonic gets in his way; it's understandable that two people committed to doing things their own way would butt heads when the situation forces them against each other. And in the metal virus arc, he's pissed at Sonic because it's a result of that previous encounter; if Sonic hadn't talked him out of dealing with Eggman at the time, they likely wouldn't be in that situation. He tried listening to Sonic and it's what got them into this mess, so he's predisposed to not listen to him again and trust his own judgement. And he notably doesn't pick a fight with Sonic during the fight with Metal; he's still standoffish and prone to acting on his own but he's still focused on the bigger picture.

But that's sorta the start of it, isn't?

Forces is the big backdrop of this comic and Shadow's actions should logically play off his role in that game, but certain elements of it aren't really allowed to be used or delved into. And Shadow didn't really talk about why Mr. Tinker needs to be taken care of outside of the obvious "It's Eggman."

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Ian should definitely hold off on a Shadow mini-series until Sega stop yanking the leash with him over the character.

Sucks, because he’s probably one of the few official writers that actually knows how to write him good. Heck, he even made the Black Arms more interesting than he should have, and I’ve been on record years back saying they should be removed. (For added irony, I was a total fanboy over ShTH when I was a young teen before I started knowing better. Lol)

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23 hours ago, Whispering Ultima said:

Issue 24's delayed not 23, that's coming 27th December. Tangle and Whisper #4 is coming on the first week of December I think.

Ahh ok , I get confused with these release dates sometimes. I order mine from Forbidden Planet in the UK and they originally had 23 down for the 13th of November. As for T&W number 4 they've completely took it down and on my pre-order page for it it just says "We'll ship this item when it's in stock" with no further date mentioned.

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I’m sure issue 23 was said to be out on 20 Nov not that long ago, trying to work out if this is a delay or if I misread it. Ah well. Looking forward to it, just feels like an age between each issue.

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On 11/11/2019 at 10:16 PM, Conquering Storm’s Servant said:

Ian should definitely hold off on a Shadow mini-series until Sega stop yanking the leash with him over the character.

Sucks, because he’s probably one of the few official writers that actually knows how to write him good. Heck, he even made the Black Arms more interesting than he should have, and I’ve been on record years back saying they should be removed. (For added irony, I was a total fanboy over ShTH when I was a young teen before I started knowing better. Lol)

Issue with this is as i mention before. When is that? That could be never, that could be tomorrow. For all parties involved he can't not write a shadow miniseries , he has to sell books and that would sell books. Eventually too many people who say don't pay attention to the ins and outs of sega/sonic team marketing decisions, most of the reading audience , would just want that story. Then you have his iDW bosses wanting to sell books, then you have sega at some point wanting to potentially push the character hella hard again. Heck him being changed might be indicative of that, especially when the adventure era nostalgia they are starting to lean into. " We need to get shadow simple so we can start putting him in games again." Says some dummy at sega of America whilst ruby eclipse puts his head in his hands. And Ian Flynn can't just go " Well he's not the way I want him " because they will just find someone else to do it that isn't him. And that's the issue with this whole thing. Its not just A business. Its two, its an eventuality and he can't just not. The reason we are having a conversation about this right now is because people are already NOW asking about it. And that's only going to increase over time.

That's why I think the bets option would be instead of avoiding it. Dive in head first. Make a story figure out some boundaries with the character, Create a baseline to which you , other writers and the audience can get when moving forward

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I'm under the impression that if the movie will do well, they'll make the two worlds thing canon in the game and comic universes too. Currently they are leaving it open on purpose, and that explains why they avoid talking about it, but there's a chance that if people will accept it, they'll finally make it canon once for all (since the movie is about the two worlds and humans, it's possible that it will have influence in this decision).

On the other hand, if the movie flops and people will hate humans with Sonic even more than now, we probably won't see any other human in the franchise that's not Eggman from now on.

Though it's likely that the two worlds setup is the only option to have a human world and an animal world coexist.

Anyway, I never liked GUN in the game universe so I'm ok with them not mentioning it anymore. Real world inspired politics and army in Sonic is not something that fits well in my opinion.

If they clarify this human world thing, they can just say that Shadow once worked for the government in the human world, and it would be enough to reference the GUN and all the SA2 to 06 stuff, no need to explain any futher. This is not related to Shadow's personality but at least it would fix his backstory.

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4 hours ago, Iko said:

I'm under the impression that if the movie will do well, they'll make the two worlds thing canon in the game and comic universes too. Currently they are leaving it open on purpose, and that explains why they avoid talking about it, but there's a chance that if people will accept it, they'll finally make it canon once for all (since the movie is about the two worlds and humans, it's possible that it will have influence in this decision).

It already was.

4 hours ago, Iko said:

On the other hand, if the movie flops and people will hate humans with Sonic even more than now, we probably won't see any other human in the franchise that's not Eggman from now on.

I don't think these things are mutually exclusive.

4 hours ago, Iko said:

 

Anyway, I never liked GUN in the game universe so I'm ok with them not mentioning it anymore. Real world inspired politics and army in Sonic is not something that fits well in my opinion.

Sonic From jump is about a robo dictator who looks like an american president ruining the enviroment and the animal people he's trying to enslave literally fighting for their freedom. Sonic at is core, no matter what tone has always had a fight the power, fight overbearing governments and people trying to ruin the environment vibe and GUN worked for a time. Its just that the time is long past. The character that hold's all their relevance ( shadow ) has moved past them ...so...yeah. If you need a new non eggman enemy why would suggest a new government like entity for the characters to punch to keep in theme.

4 hours ago, Iko said:

If they clarify this human world thing, they can just say that Shadow once worked for the government in the human world, and it would be enough to reference the GUN and all the SA2 to 06 stuff, no need to explain any futher. This is not related to Shadow's personality but at least it would fix his backstory.

I get the feeling they don't care to do that

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20 hours ago, Shadowlax said:

Issue with this is as i mention before. When is that? That could be never, that could be tomorrow.

It will be when Ian makes a submission that does the character justice and Sega aren’t rigid enough to say no and throw it out.

Of all writers of the Sonic cast who have written Shadow, I trust Ian the most as the one who really understands this character. And the less he’s forced to write Shadow as a character with his pride so high it makes Vegita look modest with a stringent set of rules limiting him, the better. 

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6 minutes ago, Conquering Storm’s Servant said:

It will be when Ian makes a submission that does the character justice and Sega aren’t rigid enough to say no and throw it out.

Or sega's like " Yo why isn't there more material of this character " or sega makes him do it. Because they can and literally have done that before. Sega never has to stop being rigid they quite literally have all the power in this situation. Ian Flynn has little to none, as he will say himself " I'm just a writer I don't what goes on in those big meetings "

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Of all writers of the Sonic cast who have written Shadow, I trust Ian the most as the one who really understands this character. And the less he’s forced to write Shadow as a character with his pride so high it makes Vegita look modest with a stringent set of rules limiting him, the better. 

I agree. Life isn't fair and eventually IDW, Sega or both are gonna wonder why such a draw isn't getting solo material. Or at least on sega's end more material tailored and catered to him so they can include it with products. And then He will either make that solo material or someone else will be writing these comics. And that would suck. So its not uh he can stay away from it, he can try but eventually its going to catch up with him . That's why I suggest deal with it now

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11 hours ago, Iko said:

I'm under the impression that if the movie will do well, they'll make the two worlds thing canon in the game and comic universes too. Currently they are leaving it open on purpose, and that explains why they avoid talking about it, but there's a chance that if people will accept it, they'll finally make it canon once for all (since the movie is about the two worlds and humans, it's possible that it will have influence in this decision).

They already retconned it in.
 

11 hours ago, Iko said:

On the other hand, if the movie flops and people will hate humans with Sonic even more than now, we probably won't see any other human in the franchise that's not Eggman from now on.

The whole job of the Two-Worlds retcon was to provide a way to write out non-Eggman humans and their environments thanks to the backlash against both characters like Elise and the plots in the Adventure Era games. Alongside also trying to tape over the clashing visual styles and tones.

11 hours ago, Iko said:

Though it's likely that the two worlds setup is the only option to have a human world and an animal world coexist.

It's not (Naka already told us all how it works long ago) but don't tell that Iizuka and Co.

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7 hours ago, Shadowlax said:

Or sega's like " Yo why isn't there more material of this character " or sega makes him do it. Because they can and literally have done that before. Sega never has to stop being rigid they quite literally have all the power in this situation. Ian Flynn has little to none, as he will say himself " I'm just a writer I don't what goes on in those big meetings "

I’m pretty sure there’s plenty of material of Shadow of all characters. His main problem is characterization.

And I’d think they should be wise enough to listen to the guy writing their stuff who wants to help make their product better. For all the power they have and what little Ian has in comparison, they were involved in rehiring him back to write for their comics to begin with knowing his acclaim. That has a enough pull for them to hear him out if he’s going to work for them, especially since it would take pressure off of them having to do it or to risk having someone else who doesn’t have that history with them, however much that may be.

Just because someone works for you doesn’t mean they don’t have good ideas. It’s one thing to be protective of one’s work, but Ian history shows he knows enough of what he’s doing with their product.

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8 hours ago, Shadowlax said:

I agree. Life isn't fair and eventually IDW, Sega or both are gonna wonder why such a draw isn't getting solo material. Or at least on sega's end more material tailored and catered to him so they can include it with products. And then He will either make that solo material or someone else will be writing these comics. And that would suck. So its not uh he can stay away from it, he can try but eventually its going to catch up with him . That's why I suggest deal with it now

I think you overestimate how much Sega actually care about that. Ian isn't going to lose his job if he doesn't propose a Shadow comic, and even if Sega cared enough to suggest making one, you're out of your mind if you think Ian wouldn't jump at the chance to do something with him even in his more limited characterization in this series, because it wouldn't be impossible to do something with him anyway.

Shadow isn't being ignored in IDW or whatever bullshit fanboy logic that keeps getting thrown around in this thread every month when this character comes up.

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1 hour ago, Conquering Storm’s Servant said:

I’m pretty sure there’s plenty of material of Shadow of all characters. His main problem is characterization.

Eh? I dunno the exact tip sega is on but usually you want books of popular characters in isolation so you can like package it with stuff. Or at least the events are pretty easy to process. I don't think shadow has any of that in IDW. That fits that bill. ( its part of the reason why he's bad )

 

1 hour ago, Conquering Storm’s Servant said:

And I’d think they should be wise enough to listen to the guy writing their stuff who wants to help make their product better. For all the power they have and what little Ian has in comparison, they were involved in rehiring him back to write for their comics to begin with knowing his acclaim. That has a enough pull for them to hear him out if he’s going to work for them, especially since it would take pressure off of them having to do it or to risk having someone else who doesn’t have that history with them, however much that may be.

Just because someone works for you doesn’t mean they don’t have good ideas. It’s one thing to be protective of one’s work, but Ian history shows he knows enough of what he’s doing with their product.

I agree with what you are saying. Like you preaching to choir here. My point is , sega is being a dummy boy.

28 minutes ago, Zaysho said:

I think you overestimate how much Sega actually care about that. Ian isn't going to lose his job if he doesn't propose a Shadow comic,

Eh?

Actually there's precedent for it. Not just sega desiring certain stories. But Sega particularly demanding authors to write more shadow stuff . If say there isn't any shadow miniseries after a few other ones. Odds are the fanbase will make noise about it, the people who manage the community will know about it, one of which is the guy who got Ian flynn hired. And questions will be asked. And this information gets to someone who's handling the sonic franchise higher than that, demands will be made. Because its actually happened before.

Second point. My example was to paraphrase myself , if sega or idw comes asking  " hey why isn't there more shadow material " Ian flynn can't just go " well I don't like how his character is right now" because they will just go " Do your job " and he would have to or get fired. So in that scenario yes he may infact loose his job. This is a scenario he talks about on his podcast where he's worked with stuff, he didn't like, or understand because he likes having a job and he's replaceable.

So the short version is

They care as much as the fanbase cares. And Shadow's really popular so they do

And yes he could get fired if he doesn't comply with the people who employ him, he will tell you that himself. He's a contract worker.

28 minutes ago, Zaysho said:

and even if Sega cared enough to suggest making one, you're out of your mind if you think Ian wouldn't jump at the chance to do something with him even in his more limited characterization in this series, because it wouldn't be impossible to do something with him anyway.

I think Ian flynn said recently he would rather avoid telling a shadow story because he has to be written a certain way. Ontop of that people ask him about aspects of his character, he kinda just sighs depressed because he can't do anything because he has to be written a certain way. I don't think he's jumping at the chance these days like before.

But he would try his best , and at least I would appreciate it.

28 minutes ago, Zaysho said:

Shadow isn't being ignored in IDW or whatever bullshit fanboy logic that keeps getting thrown around in this thread every month when this character comes up.

I say this in all due respect. What in the hell are you talking about? did you read my words. No one said anything about anyone being upset or suggesting that shadow be ignored.

My entire point which is above this is literally " eh , he can't avoid it forever. Shadow's really popular, odds are he's gonna get used again. Sega's gonna want material shadow books sell and both of his corporate overlords are gonna want more stuff. Maybe do a shadow book now to like establish who the hell new shadow is and at least have a working baseline. So if he has to make more specific material in the future at least the audience is more acclimated to who the character is supposed to be.  Because corporate entities don't care what you like, so I dunno strategize around the capitalistic apathy .  "

That's my point, a rather depressing criticism of capitalism in this situation. I don't know how you got shadow fanboyism out of that. I'm quite literally confused. My posts are above this or if this ends up on the next page, they are on the previous one. You can find them.

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3 hours ago, Shadowlax said:

Actually there's precedent for it. Not just sega desiring certain stories. But Sega particularly demanding authors to write more shadow stuff .

When? If this is about editors at Archie making Penders use Sega characters, prior to 2006, then I don't care. That certainly doesn't matter now.

3 hours ago, Shadowlax said:

Odds are the fanbase will make noise about it, the people who manage the community will know about it, one of which is the guy who got Ian flynn hired. And questions will be asked. And this information gets to someone who's handling the sonic franchise higher than that, demands will be made. Because its actually happened before.


All of this is just you guessing.

 

3 hours ago, Shadowlax said:

Second point. My example was to paraphrase myself , if sega or idw comes asking  " hey why isn't there more shadow material " Ian flynn can't just go " well I don't like how his character is right now" because they will just go " Do your job " and he would have to or get fired. So in that scenario yes he may infact loose his job. This is a scenario he talks about on his podcast where he's worked with stuff, he didn't like, or understand because he likes having a job and he's replaceable.

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They care as much as the fanbase cares. And Shadow's really popular so they do

And yes he could get fired if he doesn't comply with the people who employ him, he will tell you that himself. He's a contract worker.

I don't care what imagined scenarios you come up with where you project your obvious fanboyism onto the rest of the fanbase and make it sound like that will compel IDW and Sega to sit Ian down and force him to write Shadow comics. Especially because you somehow missed the point of the post you quoted. I specifically said "Ian isn't going to lose his job for not proposing Shadow comics," because if he doesn't have one planned right now, they aren't going to be asking "WHERE'S SHADOW!?". I even strongly implied in the same post you quoted that he'd jump at the chance to do it if they had their own proposal. By this logic they should have done something about the Freedom Fighters by now. I seem to recall a decent amount of demand for them recently.

Maybe you should actually read what I'm saying instead of putting words in my mouth and then trying to sound smart with posts about how it's all just a job and implying I don't understand that (when it should also be understood Ian seems flexible and is an actual professional; dude said he doesn't like Heroes and he included Metal Overlord anyway for those fans--he's never treated these books like his personal playground where only he is satisfied and that's obvious to anyone who's read more than the pages with their favorite character on them). It's especially insulting when I'm responding to exactly what you write.

3 hours ago, Shadowlax said:

I think Ian flynn said recently he would rather avoid telling a shadow story because he has to be written a certain way. Ontop of that people ask him about aspects of his character, he kinda just sighs depressed because he can't do anything because he has to be written a certain way. I don't think he's jumping at the chance these days like before.

But he would try his best , and at least I would appreciate it.

I'm not doubting Ian is frustrated by certain things not being in his control--who wouldn't be--but you inferring what goes on in his head with this book because he explains what his limits are doesn't interest me.

3 hours ago, Shadowlax said:

I say this in all due respect. What in the hell are you talking about? did you read my words. No one said anything about anyone being upset or suggesting that shadow be ignored.

That's more addressing an ongoing problem in this thread damn near monthly regarding this character. And it's same thing every month. And you are almost always at the center of these arguments. Go figure.

3 hours ago, Shadowlax said:

That's my point, a rather depressing criticism of capitalism in this situation. I don't know how you got shadow fanboyism out of that. I'm quite literally confused. My posts are above this or if this ends up on the next page, they are on the previous one. You can find them.

Your posts on this page imply it's imperative Ian write a Shadow mini, claiming it's something people want and it's something that Sega is going to want to satisfy an imagined demand you're proposing. Your posts indeed sound like you think Shadow is being ignored so I don't think me reading fanboyism into that statement is too far off (this post from Friday by you sounds an awful lot like something with Shadow would need to be addressed). It's ironic coming from someone who wants to come off as being all "in the know."

In summary: Shadow isn't as important as you want to make him out to be, and Sega isn't going to make IDW fire Ian over it because it's never going to come up the way you say it will. In the off chance Sega requests or suggests something, Ian would do it because he's a professional. So for the last time read my posts, and if you can't actually respond to the words I'm writing or approach discussion about this character with a hint of intellectual honesty or without throwing around your imagined scenarios as an understanding of the comics business (that you somehow are the only one who understands), then do not bother replying to me.

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9 hours ago, Zaysho said:

Maybe you should actually read what I'm saying instead of putting words in my mouth and then trying to sound smart with posts about how it's all just a job and implying I don't understand that (when it should also be understood Ian seems flexible and is an actual professional; dude said he doesn't like Heroes and he included Metal Overlord anyway for those fans--he's never treated these books like his personal playground where only he is satisfied and that's obvious to anyone who's read more than the pages with their favorite character on them). It's especially insulting when I'm responding to exactly what you write.

Metal Overlord looks more like an attempt to satisfy SEGA rather. To get quick approvals for publishing. Ian wanted to build a good relation with them so he adapted Sonic Heroes story to please Iizuka.

To make it easier for them to accept his more crazy stories, he had to do the most basic Sonic story first.

Hopefully we don't see other game adaptations after Sonic Heroes's adaptation in IDW...

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8 hours ago, Zaysho said:

When? If this is about editors at Archie making Penders use Sega characters, prior to 2006, then I don't care. That certainly doesn't matter now.


All of this is just you guessing.

 

I don't care what imagined scenarios you come up with where you project your obvious fanboyism onto the rest of the fanbase and make it sound like that will compel IDW and Sega to sit Ian down and force him to write Shadow comics.

" Oh hey folks like shadow and might ask for a comic " isn't an imagined scenario? Its very reasonable. And literally part of the reason we are talking about this

So this is something that is going to be a theme in my response. You seem to be responding to argument that doesn't exist.

8 hours ago, Zaysho said:

 

Especially because you somehow missed the point of the post you quoted. I specifically said "Ian isn't going to lose his job for not proposing Shadow comics,"

I didn't. You missed the point of what I posted and was correcting you on the matter. It wasn't about shadow comics, its a hypothetical scenario where he doesn't comply with his employers. This conversation is about shadow, so it includes him. But I had this exact same conversation or response months ago about in other shit in the comic.

Ian Flynn is a contract worker that effectively works for two entities. Both of these entities needs to be content if he is to continue working with them, not complying with one or both of these entities may result in him not having a job. Him avoiding shadow stories is kinda hard because the character is extremely popular and there is high damand to see him places. If a scenario rises where they want him to do a story about him, he will kinda of have to do it. And there is no expectancy on when sega will decide to act right.

Nothing I posted there  was incorrect. Everything I said is factual and Ian will tell you himself and has on podcast the only thing I added was.

" It might be better than avoid it, just rip the bandaid off, so we can see what new shadow is like " and " I think him lacking defined story telling is contributing to the character's weirdness "

And the point of it all, is that shadow is going to be hard to avoid and because of that he will not be able to avoid him long enough and will most likely see a lot of that bad version in the future. Yes he may loose his job if he does not comply with his employers, but he wont because he's  a professional. So odds are more bad shadow, even in miniseries will pop up.

 

8 hours ago, Zaysho said:

because if he doesn't have one planned right now, they aren't going to be asking "WHERE'S SHADOW!?".

No one is saying that it would be immediate. Chill, like you are jumping to conclusions. Read my words, like actually.

8 hours ago, Zaysho said:

I even strongly implied in the same post you quoted that he'd jump at the chance to do it if they had their own proposal. By this logic they should have done something about the Freedom Fighters by now. I seem to recall a decent amount of demand for them recently.

He's a contract worker , and the people in charge don't want them. If he could just write whatever he wanted, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Shadow would just...be better. But he can't, he has two bosses one or both don't want those characters around.  And if he were to try and attempt to not comply with his employer's wishes. He would not have a job. But he wouldn't do that , because he's professional , so due to who that character is he may not be able to avoid him for long

Which was my point.

 

8 hours ago, Zaysho said:

Maybe you should actually read what I'm saying instead of putting words in my mouth and then trying to sound smart with posts about how it's all just a job and implying I don't understand that (when it should also be understood Ian seems flexible and is an actual professional; dude said he doesn't like Heroes and he included Metal Overlord anyway for those fans--he's never treated these books like his personal playground where only he is satisfied and that's obvious to anyone who's read more than the pages with their favorite character on them). It's especially insulting when I'm responding to exactly what you write.

You seem to be confusing several different things. No one said Ian flynn wasn't flexible. No one said ian flynn wasn't professional. Both qualities I have praised of this man before.

I'm not talking about him not wanting to work with things. He has thebest marine the racoon that exists. And the rogues, and IIRC he doesn't like either of them. My point is , he made a specific note that he would like to not work with shadow because he would have to write him weird. And that's a fair take. If I were writing this , I would be on the same shit.

But shadow's a popular guy, a really popular guy. And seemingly going forward important to sega's marketing again. He may be asked to do more things with the character. Whether it be the fanbase itself or pushes from his employers. And that will make shadow a particular character who's hard to avoid. Even now, shadow seems to be a character they break out every summer to have a block buster fight. He's gonna be hard to avoid.

Nothing I just said is untrue. Or crazy . You are not responding to what I write . To be blunt, you are responding to an idea you have of me. Read the words I wrote.

8 hours ago, Zaysho said:

I'm not doubting Ian is frustrated by certain things not being in his control--who wouldn't be--but you inferring what goes on in his head with this book because he explains what his limits are doesn't interest me.

That's more addressing an ongoing problem in this thread damn near monthly regarding this character. And it's same thing every month. And you are almost always at the center of these arguments. Go figure.

Sure man

8 hours ago, Zaysho said:

Your posts on this page imply it's imperative Ian write a Shadow mini, claiming it's something people want and it's something that Sega is going to want to satisfy an imagined demand you're proposing.

I think its a good idea to sort of , rip the bandaid off, See what we are working with and move forward.

People do want it, its part of the reason we are having this convo, its actually the reason shadow got 3 or was it 4 in the last book. And possibly they seem to be getting more use out of the character as of late

8 hours ago, Zaysho said:

Your posts indeed sound like you think Shadow is being ignored so I don't think me reading fanboyism into that statement is too far off (this post from Friday by you sounds an awful lot like something with Shadow would need to be addressed). It's ironic coming from someone who wants to come off as being all "in the know."

That post is about how human's in the movie may effect other media. And a bit about gun, I responded to that. That post, the chunky bit, is about how sonic has always been fighting " the man" and while GUN fit that bill, they have been stripped of their relevancy. Quite literally with the shadow disassociation . So a gun like entity isn't inherently bad, but you need to find a new government group.

Nothing I said was untrue. Did you mean to post this post? Because if you didn't I would get that. If you did , you read way too much into nothing.

8 hours ago, Zaysho said:

In summary: Shadow isn't as important as you want to make him out to be, and Sega isn't going to make IDW fire Ian over it because it's never going to come up the way you say it will.

So you don't think shadow is important.

1) That is your opinion, cool.

2) I don't care in general. I also don't care, that's irrelevant to the conversation.

3)The fact or rather the context around this entire conversation proves shadow is pretty important to sega actually.

 

8 hours ago, Zaysho said:

So for the last time read my posts, and if you can't actually respond to the words I'm writing or approach discussion about this character with a hint of intellectual honesty or without throwing around your imagined scenarios as an understanding of the comics business (that you somehow are the only one who understands), then do not bother replying to me.

Like before, did. And Like before I responded. Now we are going to sit here and wit to see if you actually respond to my posts or respond to some idea of me that has nothing to do with what I am saying.

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26 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

And the point of it all, is that shadow is going to be hard to avoid and because of that he will not be able to avoid him long enough and will most likely see a lot of that bad version in the future. Yes he may loose his job if he does not comply with his employers, but he wont because he's  a professional. So odds are more bad shadow, even in miniseries will pop up.

All wrong. And I'll tell you why!!

Understand this: comic industry 101: IDW PAYS SEGA, to have authorization to make and sell Sonic Comics.

IDW PAYS SEGA A FIXED FEE

Then IDW gets the money from the comics sales! = IDW gets the comic money, NOT SEGA

So, SEGA doesnt care if the comics sell well or not! They only care if the publisher sticks to their "vision" of Sonic (example: Sonic is forbidden from wearing pants, just like Shadow is forbidden from having emotions😜).

Also, IDW is not gonna force Ian to make stories about Shadows if he knows and they know he cannot write a proper Shadow under SEGA's restriction

SEGA doesnt care, IDW doesnt care, there are other character with less TIGHT LEASH from SEGA.

(and the situation you're talking about only applies if SEGA forces Ian or any other writer to write a tie-in comic to a game, that's it)

 

Besides, Shadow is not that important, he was relegated to the back for the last decade, just like Silver, just like Chaotix. Just like them, he only got a role in Sonic Forces's story like everyone else. He is not as special as he used to be in 2002.

And frankly I would just prefer if Ian doesnt shove every game character in every single story. Why were the Chaotix even involved, why were Team Dark even involved?? That's another problem I have is that he shoves every single modern character.

I hope the story after the Zombot arc doesnt have all 20 characters each waiting for their turn to be Sonic's sidekick for one issue...

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@Shadowlax I said shut the fuck up.

Across these last few months I have had it with your inane conspiracy drivel surrounding anything and everything to do with Shadow and Ian, patronizing attitude towards others who don't agree with you in these topics, and your all-around tendency to ruin discussion for everyone else on this forum. There are people who refuse to post in this topic anymore because of you. So if it takes banning your sorry arrogant ass to make this thread having worthwhile discussion again then I'm happy to do just that. Ignore me one more time and you're gone. I'm not tolerating your bullshit rhetoric on this forum anymore and this is your last warning you will ever get.

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