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 AS far as sonic killing his foes, I like to think about that like.. it's just anime. The most anime plots has Sonic killing demons, aliens and gods. I don't think we were meant to think about it this deeply. Tho to relate this to rather Sonic should've listened to Shadow or not, I think it wouldn't have mattered anyway. To be completely fair, even if Sonic were like " Fine, go off him then." Shadow would've most likely failed and Eggman would be right back where he is now and we'll still have the metal virus. I guess the long short of it I'm trying to say is while I get the debate on saying it's Sonic's fault... but did we or anyone actually expect Sonic to treat Eggman like the few demons aliens and gods he's fought before? Cause if you spin the record a sudden way you could say Sonic's been at fault since the first game. He hasn't killed Eggman after he blew up the planet THREE times, unleashed who knows how many gods/demons on the planet, blew up the moon. and did I mention he literally blew up earth 3 times? If Sonic didn't think it was worth it to kill Eggman after that alone then the metal virus is no different. 

 I'm debating if Sonic should face judgement for that choice in the comic to be honest, tho I guess that's what the debate is actually about. And based on what I just wrote... No. I don't think he should face judgement... not for the Resident Evil like virus anyway. IT would make for a neat plotline for a little bit, but overall if we're going to say this is Sonic's fault.. then Sonic has ALOT to answer for. The Bio Hazard shouldn't even be on the list. Dude let Eggman live after Eggman BLEW UP THE PLANET. Dragon Ball Z villains can't even say they were able to do that.

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1 hour ago, Remynaka said:


 AS far as sonic killing his foes, I like to think about that like.. it's just anime. The most anime plots has Sonic killing demons, aliens and gods. I don't think we were meant to think about it this deeply. Tho to relate this to rather Sonic should've listened to Shadow or not, I think it wouldn't have mattered anyway. To be completely fair, even if Sonic were like " Fine, go off him then." Shadow would've most likely failed and Eggman would be right back where he is now and we'll still have the metal virus. I guess the long short of it I'm trying to say is while I get the debate on saying it's Sonic's fault... but did we or anyone actually expect Sonic to treat Eggman like the few demons aliens and gods he's fought before? Cause if you spin the record a sudden way you could say Sonic's been at fault since the first game. He hasn't killed Eggman after he blew up the planet THREE times, unleashed who knows how many gods/demons on the planet, blew up the moon. and did I mention he literally blew up earth 3 times? If Sonic didn't think it was worth it to kill Eggman after that alone then the metal virus is no different. 

 I'm debating if Sonic should face judgement for that choice in the comic to be honest, tho I guess that's what the debate is actually about. And based on what I just wrote... No. I don't think he should face judgement... not for the Resident Evil like virus anyway. IT would make for a neat plotline for a little bit, but overall if we're going to say this is Sonic's fault.. then Sonic has ALOT to answer for. The Bio Hazard shouldn't even be on the list. Dude let Eggman live after Eggman BLEW UP THE PLANET. Dragon Ball Z villains can't even say they were able to do that.

How would shadow have failed, he would have just killed him....that it. Ian flynn has gone very much out of his way to show the reason the virus got so far and so bad is because off eggman. He is writing this to specific pose the question and said himself that the answer is ambiguous. So , shadow could be right? Morally that's up to you.

 

I agree with the first part though, you arent supposed to think about it too hard. It's why I find this arc strange. To call this into question means to call wegmans action into a harsh reality we were never meant to think about them in. That he is infact quite litterally a murderous dictator. And in this arc he is infact acting like one

Should sonic face judgement? You mean like from a court? Nah, I don't think sonic going to court is that interesting outside of a more jovial in tone cartoon.

Should shadow consider him an active threat and try and kill him if he interferes, probably.

Should folks hear about sonic's choices and strait up dissaprove and think of him less, yeah.

Sonic going to jail or something? Kinda boring.

That said I don't think any of this matters. I get the feeling due to ian just openly admitting he just cant write a character the way he wants to. I think everyone's just gonna move past the sonic choice thing and it will largely be disregarded. Unless Sega lightens up.

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6 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

How would shadow have failed, he would have just killed him....that it. Ian flynn has gone very much out of his way to show the reason the virus got so far and so bad is because off eggman. He is writing this to specific pose the question and said himself that the answer is ambiguous. So , shadow could be right? Morally that's up to you.

 

I agree with the first part though, you arent supposed to think about it too hard. It's why I find this arc strange. To call this into question means to call wegmans action into a harsh reality we were never meant to think about them in. That he is infact quite litterally a murderous dictator. And in this arc he is infact acting like one



 Oh I mean Eggman has plot armor... so by that alone he can never die. Sega would not allow Shadow killing him now. Thats what I meant by that, it's a plot that'll always fail due to main character plot armor. 

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53 minutes ago, Remynaka said:

 Oh I mean Eggman has plot armor...

In this specific context that's not what plot armor is...

None of the characters can die, so that doesn't matter.

Plot armor would refer to the avoidance/ignoring of specific consequences that would actually deter a character's ability to win or succeed.

In a villains case his ability to succeed...until they're suppose to actually lose. Which Eggman hasn't had yet.

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12 minutes ago, StaticMania said:

In this specific context that's not what plot armor is...

None of the characters can die, so that doesn't matter.

Plot armor would refer to the avoidance/ignoring of specific consequences that would actually deter a character's ability to win or succeed.

In a villains case his ability to succeed...until they're suppose to actually lose. Which Eggman hasn't had yet.

You know what I mean tho... Eggman wouldn't/can't die so Shadow's plan whatever it may be would've failed instantly :c That's all my point was.

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Amazing arc so far. Though I wish the zombies could fully use theablitities they had before infection but still be mindless in a way

 

Also eggman actually taking time thinking about his tinker life showed he enjoyed it but that he has convinced himself that he is and should be a villain.

I see starline going off on his own soon

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16 hours ago, Remynaka said:

You know what I mean tho... Eggman wouldn't/can't die so Shadow's plan whatever it may be would've failed instantly :c That's all my point was.

I mean,  in that case eggman should never try because he's the main villain in a children's property. Unless the story itself gets that meta it might be better to just work within the confines of the story itself

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On 11/28/2019 at 10:31 AM, Sonictrainer said:

No, it's because Eggman chose to go back to being evil, despite the fact that he actually, on some level, enjoyed being Mr. Tinker.

Even if Starline never existed and Eggman got his memories back some other way, he still would have to choose for himself whether to change or go back to being evil.

 

Also, something tells me that the Deadly 6 won't be able to mind bend the Zombots so easily either...

The cure could lie in the 6 themselves getting turned. Maybe their powers overload everything and cure the Zombots before they can get to the human world.

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I hope Blaze has a part in it.  It would make more sense that the Sol Emeralds called her over for THAT, then the Metal Sonic incident(which in comparison, is relatively minor.  The Master Emerald gets taken more than Robotnik's pocket change lol).

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4 minutes ago, Marco9966 said:

What are your hopes for t&w 4? Do you want Mimic to die or be a recurrent villain?

My automatic assumption  was always that he'd die.

The comics were much better about maintaining ongoing details than the game are, though. However, the fact that "back where this started" does not mean Tangle's Hometown is point against that.

7 hours ago, SatAMhog said:

I hope Blaze has a part in it.  It would make more sense that the Sol Emeralds called her over for THAT, then the Metal Sonic incident(which in comparison, is relatively minor.  The Master Emerald gets taken more than Robotnik's pocket change lol).

Mm...depends on how this seeming final battle turns out and/or is followed up. 

It could be a neat point, though.

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It ends in a way that leaves me satisfied with everyone involved

Ian imo is known for screwing up endings by trying to add extra bows and stuff. And the shit should just ended. So just a solid no crap ending would be dope

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I'm almost finished writing a transcript of Kureeji Lea's interview on the Bumbelkast and will post at least a part here too due to one question in particular. :worried:

EDIT: Here's the relevant bits

Spoiler

⦁    Aleah Baker got into the Archie comic by coloring the offpanels and helping with character designs.
⦁    She kinda rudely went up to editor at a convention after a while of trying to get in and he said he was meaning to get back to her about an offer.  She then panicked, apologized, and ran away before being sent files a week or two later :lol: (not exactly how ian remembers it, but he rolls with it). 
⦁    The early offpanels she colored were sent in sets of four.
⦁    She generally strove to help design or redesign things at any opportunity. 
⦁    They generally tried to design and write characters by having some idea of where they are going so they weren't aimless or extraneous.
⦁    She helped switch up or redesign characters who had becoming too samey or inconsistent.
⦁    She had freer reign on characterization when she got to write compared to character designs.
⦁    She tried to have as many varied interactions as she can to avoid having exclusive assocations.
⦁    She wanted to write stronger relationships  due to how they were often informed or underdeveloped. As such, she didn't like having Cassia call Clove sis but editor wanted to be sure readers picked up on their relationship.
⦁    She generally approached her art in terms of what is most likely to be rejected by editor and would be easier for the art team to do. As such, she was told not to go too complex with color schemes and patterns.
⦁    She actually contacted IDW editors Joe Hughes and Mariot  about coloring and the like, but started to develop a hard to diagnose condition similar to rheumatoid arthritis that included dactylitis as a symtom. She couldn't really move or do much for a year and half, including hike, swim , play many games, or attend convetions without quickly losing energy, so she informed them that she didn't feel comfortable taking a positon that she'd be unreliable meeting deadlines on.  

 

Also
⦁    He believes  tragedy is a compelling way to maintain readership, but levity is importnt as well
⦁    The Fantastic Halloween cover had to be tweaked due to SEGA being touchy about other properties.
⦁    He really hopes Shadow's Chao appears in comic one day, but doesn't see it happening given the current dierection.
 

 

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