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10 hours ago, Koopa Klaus CC14 said:

New 27 cover:

 

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Poor Cream. :(

 

So I know there’s a small chance of this happening but

maybe they stumble on to the cure and Cream is the first recovery patient. Because there’s no way they would put Cream through watching her two best friends and mother turn into zombots only to become one herself.


 

 

Right?

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Aside of the obvious feeling sad for

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what happens in the cover of issue 27,

I was looking at the several preview covers of the next issues on a random website, and I accidentally found this:

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Yes please...

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44 minutes ago, knuckles20 said:

So I know there’s a small chance of this happening but

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maybe they stumble on to the cure and Cream is the first recovery patient. Because there’s no way they would put Cream through watching her two best friends and mother turn into zombots only to become one herself.

 

 

 

Right?

 

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Honestly, I think they might be going into darker territory with that--as in the Zor's art kind.

 

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This blaming Sonic for decisions all the other characters would have made anyway (especially when the Chaotix sat around and decided not to do anything and put it on Sonic in the first place) is getting tiring. We all know nothing is going to change by the end of this storyline so bringing it up seems so pointless.

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8 minutes ago, Zaysho said:

This blaming Sonic for decisions all the other characters would have made anyway (especially when the Chaotix sat around and decided not to do anything and put it on Sonic in the first place) is getting tiring. We all know nothing is going to change by the end of this storyline so bringing it up seems so pointless.

Actually, I was wondering why Espio of all people fine in the first place.

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32 minutes ago, Winter Spirit Ultima said:

Damn, even Espio is mad at Sonic.

I think this was more obvious than Shadow honestly.

14 minutes ago, Zaysho said:

This blaming Sonic for decisions all the other characters would have made anyway is getting tiring.

Hasn't Shadow been the only other person to blame Sonic for anything?

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9 minutes ago, StaticMania said:

Hasn't Shadow been the only other person to blame Sonic for anything?

Vector did it too right when their city fell and Sonic was helping them out. I don't recall the issue number offhand, but it was at the beginning of the outbreak.

edit: looked it up, issue 17. It's probably less directly blaming Sonic, but Vector does say "Next time Eggman loses his memory I'm throwing him in a cell." I honestly had a bit too much of a kneejerk reaction to this (I assume Espio's just venting because he lost his team) because it felt like a pointless internal conflict and while Ian usually has a reason when he does things like this, this just isn't something I see sticking and doesn't make a lot of sense to put the blame on Sonic when it feels like the results would have been the same.

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2 minutes ago, Zaysho said:

Vector did it too right when their city fell and Sonic was helping them out.

It was a single text-bubble, so I honestly forgot he even said anything about it.

He wasn't doing so aggressively. It seemed like a throw-away line that only exists to sorta kinda set-up this continuing in Espio's reaction.

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17 minutes ago, DabigRG said:

Actually, I was wondering why Espio of all people fine in the first place.

I went back and checked and Espio did say he was for punishing Mr. Tinker but Sonic defused that basically instantly.

I imagine he's kicking himself for that now and I think that + him lashing out makes sense.

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Even if it's debatable about how accountable Sonic is in all of this you gotta remember that this is a pretty intense situation and feelings are driving a lot of the arguments. This'll probably all be wrapped up in a more civil discussion later where Sonic's decision is ultimately treated as an understandable one/the blame is split more evenly. 

I get wishing this debate was never brought up since nothing will be seriously done about it but I like seeing Sonic with a bit of internal conflict and distress going on so it has it's up sides.

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It was one thing when it was Shadow calling out Sonic, since he's kinda meant to be his foil and opposite. Now we have his own allies calling Sonic out too? Unless this leads to some type of rift forming between Sonic and his friends, which I highly doubt will happen, I don't see a point either.  It feels like Lost World when the game was calling out Sonic for all of his mistakes, but never actually letting him learn from them.

So what's going to be the fall out from this arc? They're obviously not going to kill Eggman, so that's out. Sonic letting him go after all of this would be the absolute height of stupidity. Eggman could slip away on his own, but then what is the lesson that Sonic learns?  "Hey kids, never show mercy to your enemies otherwise it will bite you in the ass" that doesn't feel like a child-friendly message. 

 

I don't want to say this arc is a letdown, because I DO find this pretty interesting. But I can't help but wonder just how ambitious is flynn trying to be and if he is even allowed to get away with it. 

 

 

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I don't really mind seeing Sonic being challenged and pushed to his limits, it's actually what's made this arc fun for me since I thought the first year of the comic was boring. These are fairly realistic reactions, I admit. It just feels like piling on and I'm not seeing what it's doing for Sonic other than giving him a chance to yell back at other characters about how he's ultimately in the right.

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18 minutes ago, Wraith said:


WAIT

WHERE THE FUCK IS KNUCKLES

It's funny you mention that because I had a thought that Knuckles would actually see Mr. Tinker and refuse to let him go on principle, because Eggman's pulled the wool over his eyes so many times before. Sonic and Knuckles clashing over this actually sounds like something that makes way more sense than the rest of them.

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1 hour ago, Zaysho said:

This blaming Sonic for decisions all the other characters would have made anyway (especially when the Chaotix sat around and decided not to do anything and put it on Sonic in the first place) is getting tiring. We all know nothing is going to change by the end of this storyline so bringing it up seems so pointless.

I feel like that kind of removes the point of story telling in its entirety? Now neither of us knows what happens, maybe there is a rift that is caused and people agree and disagree. And there would have been characterized to act on it, I don't know. ( I personally think that would be super interesting ) but if it doesn't, I still don't think that's inherently. Ian flynn needs to tell a story and even if hypothetically speaking in the same situation the chaotix does nothing possible growing tensions between characters because of the situation at large makes for interesting story telling and creates conflict and dialog between the characters. I can totally imagine espio being pretty miffed at sonic.

And I kinda think you misreading the situation a bit.

39 minutes ago, Zaysho said:

It just feels like piling on and I'm not seeing what it's doing for Sonic other than giving him a chance to yell back at other characters about how he's ultimately in the right.

Sonic can't really yell back at them. Even if eggman helps, eggman created the problem. Part of Ian Flynn's stated objective is that sonic isn't going to be right. And with how the story set up, he can't be. Sonic's only ground is a moral thing, if shadow would have murdered eggman. He would presumably just be dead and this wouldn't be happening. I would imagine that's the sort of ambiguity Flynn is aiming for. Sonic is morally right for not letting shadow off a guy who has no memory for his crimes, but in the grand scheme of things was that a worth while ideal to stick to.

The way the story is set up, sonic can never be right or say I told you so . Because the response is " If shadow would have killed him this wouldn't be happening " . So I would imagine narrative these things function as seeing other characters react to the carnage that is ensuing.

Now I agree with you in saying this will ultimately not matter, I don't think for the same reasons though.

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1 hour ago, Wraith said:

I actually think it's good that theres more than one character talking about it but it being Espio makes it less significant than it would have been if someone closer to him was dou

WAIT

WHERE THE KNUCK IS FUCKLES

He is in a better place in a land in the heavens......Angel Island XP

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14 hours ago, DabigRG said:

Honestly, this is probably one of the more meaningful uses of her since...Battle?

Like, there's X and Archie New252, but honestly, this arc, while a bit miniscule in places, has given her the most thorough focus and story relevance.

Too bad it had to be done this way though.

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A shame that her most important story role recently is basically her being effectively killed off. I would have preferred if she started fighting again like she did when Emerl was getting hurt back in Battle. Still, at least Tails' reaction is satisfying to my inner Taiream shipper, and it looks like he'll do the fighting for her to avenge her. I just wish Cream herself got some action before getting knocked out of the game.

 

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6 hours ago, Kuzu said:

It was one thing when it was Shadow calling out Sonic, since he's kinda meant to be his foil and opposite. Now we have his own allies calling Sonic out too? Unless this leads to some type of rift forming between Sonic and his friends, which I highly doubt will happen, I don't see a point either.  It feels like Lost World when the game was calling out Sonic for all of his mistakes, but never actually letting him learn from them.

So what's going to be the fall out from this arc? They're obviously not going to kill Eggman, so that's out. Sonic letting him go after all of this would be the absolute height of stupidity. Eggman could slip away on his own, but then what is the lesson that Sonic learns?  "Hey kids, never show mercy to your enemies otherwise it will bite you in the ass" that doesn't feel like a child-friendly message. 

 

I don't want to say this arc is a letdown, because I DO find this pretty interesting. But I can't help but wonder just how ambitious is flynn trying to be and if he is even allowed to get away with it. 

 

 

They could try to put Eggman in a cell, but we all know that won't be a permanent solution. It would be a good way to see how Starline does by himself though. 

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