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On 12/25/2019 at 1:39 AM, Sonic Fan J said:

A shame I can't get it for Kindle until Thursday. Though hopefully when I do get my hands on it this embracing of utter despair doesn't just put me off the book. It's been a little too long since we've had any real levity or whimsey which for me typically gives the darker stuff more weight. When everything is dark and heavy all the time it starts to lose its impact and just becomes dull and monotonous.

On 12/25/2019 at 11:36 AM, Jack in Space said:

 No it wasn't. It was a good arc, I even enjoyed the Team Dark issues. I'm just tired and bored now, it's gotten old, I don't think it was rushed here either, it is just repetitive. The plot didn't advance either...

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The Deadly Six have just barely arrived, not much happens. It's like an aftermath story, barely filler, okay Tangle got infected, and she was awesome IMO, still very much Tangle, were there consequences? Yes, everyone is hopeless.

But in my opinion it's way too long and dark, it's actually pretty shallow and more of the same. Was this issue even needed? I actually agree with shorter arcs now, 12 issues arcs like season 1 are fine. Obviously it couldn't have been resolved in one issue... how about turning it into a pseudo-different story as follow up to the Metal Virus? That would have had both consequences and a new story instead of it dragging. Also break up a bit the boring and sad mood.

Admittedly, I am concerned for how this is followed up.

On 12/25/2019 at 11:17 AM, SBR2 said:

 

Because it's Wednesday. I mean I know it's Christmas but it's still Wednesday. 

Fair point.

 

On 12/25/2019 at 2:30 PM, Razule said:
 

There isn't a "no sad things" mandate, nothing in this issue touches the ones we know about.

This issue does technically focus it on the original characters.

10 hours ago, Sonic Fan J said:

Boy oh boy, finally read Issue 24 and let me first say that ABT's art really does elevate this series. A shame we can't keep him on every issue, or at least till the end of the Zombot Arc. He just elevates it so much higher than the other artists outside of maybe Evan Stanley.

Trying to stick to positives, the use of emotion in this issue I found suberb and made the entire experience fairly enjoyable even in regards to me getting sick of the Zombot Arc. That's a bit of praise from me, but unfortunately no amount of good this issue did could stop it from honestly ticking me off and leaving me wondering if should blame Ian Flynn or SEGA.

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First it was Cream having to cheer up Amy, and now it is Tangle being the endless ball of optimism and energy giving Sonic the I believe in Sonic speech that I would expect from Amy. What exactly is going on here? What happened to the ball of endless optimism, positivity, and believing in others, especially Sonic, to the very end that I know and love. Her traits and tendencies keep showing up in other characters while she becomes a more and more hopeless and lifeless husk. She isn't even a shell of what she normally is, she's just plain not her. And don't blame the situation because Cream before her mother turned and now Tangle even being infected have put Amy's core traits on full display and it's making me livid. Don't get me wrong either. I think Tangle is the best new character in the book and I loved seeing her fight to the end, but doing so while doing everything I know Amy for while Amy is being a lifeless husk just leaves me livid. One of my all around favorite characters feels so disrespected to me right now and like either Ian Flynn or SEGA somewhere along the line forgot who she is. I never expected to be so livid again after Shadow's debut (I've actually come to terms with that as I explain in my recent Shadow thread) but i can't even enjoy the issue and everything it did well because of this.

Obviously I'm too attached to Amy if I'm getting this riled up, but she's been one of my favorites since her debut and watching her character being taken apart and given to other characters just leaves me more than a little heated. Honestly, the only thing keeping this whole scenario from totally taking me off of the book is if I swap Tangle with Amy and put Sally Acorn in Amy's current roll when considering that this story was originally meant for Archie. When I do it like that though I want to more openly blame Flynn for the treatment of Amy here and SEGA for letting him. I'm just so frustrated right now and need time to cool off. My word am I angry.


 

Character Speciation?

Fair point about Archie, though.

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3 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

Amy's personality has been getting stripped away bit by bit for a long time now I haven't seen the latest comic but it seems her personality is a most  unoriginal wet blanket.

The contrast between this comment and the images in tone is something.

But I suppose there's truth there.

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35 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

Amy's personality has been getting stripped away bit by bit for a long time now I haven't seen the latest comic but it seems her personality is a most  unoriginal wet blanket.

Let me get a little perspective here: how exactly do you believe Amy should be acting in this scenario?

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Ive seen these complaints a lot and at this point, I feel these types of responses are coming from the fact that people just want to see the idealized versions of their favorite stories and characters rather appreciating how they're actually  being written, and rejecting anything that goes against that notion.

Amy doesn't ALWAYS have to be the one who brightens everyone and the one who remains positive. Characters should be allowed to express more than just a few personality traits, and some characters can even share a personality trait or two.

That's why these complaints are falling flat for me, because they're things only fans of that character would care about. 

 

I would implore people to start looking at the story for what it is, rather than what you want it to be otherwise you might as well just stop reading altogether because Ian Flynn is not going to go inside your head and use every bit of fanon on how super special awesome Amy is and put it in the book.

 

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14 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

Contrast to what images?

Text: This is sadly a continuing trend.

Images: Dem pink hips though

12 minutes ago, Kuzu said:

Ive seen these complaints a lot and at this point, I feel these types of responses are coming from the fact that people just want to see the idealized versions of their favorite stories and characters rather appreciating how they're actually  being written, and rejecting anything that goes against that notion.

Amy doesn't ALWAYS have to be the one who brightens everyone and the one who remains positive. Characters should be allowed to express more than just a few personality traits, and some characters can even share a personality trait or two.

That's why these complaints are falling flat for me, because they're things only fans of that character would care about. 

I'm half and half on this case, tbh.

12 minutes ago, Kuzu said:

I would implore people to start looking at the story for what it is, rather than what you want it to be otherwise you might as well just stop reading altogether because Ian Flynn is not going to go inside your head and use every bit of fanon on how super special awesome Amy is and put it in the book.

 

Which he prefers to avoid doing.

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19 minutes ago, Panda Claus said:

Let me get a little perspective here: how exactly do you believe Amy should be acting in this scenario?

Like when Amy was in Sonic 06,  Sonic Unleashed and Sonic Adventure. Amy wasn't dry in personality there.

6 minutes ago, DabigRG said:

Text: This is sadly a continuing trend.

Images: Dem pink hips though

Ah, that makes sense.

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25 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

Like when Amy was in Sonic 06,  Sonic Unleashed and Sonic Adventure. Amy wasn't dry in personality there.

Ah, that makes sense.

See, this is what I mean.

 

How is being written like she was in those games benefit anything besides your desire to see her "well written"?

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1 hour ago, Fire-N-Space said:

Amy's personality has been getting stripped away bit by bit for a long time now I haven't seen the latest comic but it seems her personality is a most  unoriginal wet blanket.

I mean if by that you mean she actually has a personality now then sure.

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25 minutes ago, Panda Claus said:

Can you be more specific?

Unleashed had the world fall apart, a worst scenario then the comics.

 

25 minutes ago, Kuzu said:

See, this is what I mean.

 

How being written like she was in those games benefit anything besides your desire to see her "well written"?

 

Well written? I just want to see Amy act like Amy.

13 minutes ago, SBR2 said:

I mean if by that you mean she actually has a personality now then sure.

 

I don't mean that in anyway shape or form.

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14 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

 

 

 

Well written? I just want to see Amy act like Amy.

Once again, what is her "acting like Amy" adding to the story right now? What benefit is there aside from you just being satisfied that she's "acting like herself".

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8 minutes ago, Kuzu said:

Once again, what is her "acting like Amy" adding to the story right now? What benefit is there aside from you just being satisfied that she's "acting like herself".

People normally don't like it when a characters personality changes without reason in TV, movies and whatnot. 

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19 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

People normally don't like it when a characters personality changes without reason in TV, movies and whatnot. 

The reason being...the plot?

Ignoring the context of why they're acting different. Or "different."

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21 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

People normally don't like it when a characters personality changes without reason in TV, movies and whatnot. 

That's not what's been happening though; you're literally the only one here that's been making a big deal of Amy being "ruined" because it's not the version of her that you want to see. You're not even judging the story on its own merits anymore, but on the merits on what YOU want it to be when it's never going to be like that.   More than half of your posts here can basically be boiled down to "Why isn't Amy acting like how I want her to be", and almost nothing about the actual story itself or even any other character.

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3 minutes ago, Kuzu said:

That's not what's been happening though; you're literally the only one here that's been making a big deal of Amy being "ruined" because it's not the version of her that you want to see. You're not even judging the story on its own merits anymore, but on the merits on what YOU want it to be when it's never going to be like that. 

I am the one and only person that makes criticism about Amy lets just ignore all the people who feel the same way as me, call Amy a stalker and happy to see her changed in Boom to "fix" her personality.

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1 minute ago, Fire-N-Space said:

...lets just ignore all the people who feel the same way as me...

All the people here?

That only accounts for 2 other people as far as I'm aware, one of them being me...and I'm not really vocal about character related opinions.

Hmm, there may be more, who knows?

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10 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

I am the one and only person that makes criticism about Amy lets just ignore all the people who feel the same way as me, call Amy a stalker and happy to see her changed in Boom to "fix" her personality.

Once again, almost EVERY post in this topic about Amy has been from YOU. You are quite literally the ONLY one who has been making a big deal about this. And once again, you're not even talking about the story that is currently happening in IDW anymore. And then you wonder why people refuse to hear you out when you make posts like these that generalize everything to justify your stance. 

If you're not going to bother trying to understand what people have been saying, then I'm not going to bother listening to the 100th post of "OH WOE IS AMY" from you every time a new issue comes out and watch you talk about how "ruined" she is. 

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2 minutes ago, Kuzu said:

Once again, almost EVERY post in this topic about Amy has been from YOU. You are quite literally the ONLY one who has been making a big deal about this. And once again, you're not even talking about the story that is currently happening in IDW anymore. And then you wonder why people refuse to hear you out when you make posts like these that generalize everything to justify your stance. 

If you're not going to bother trying to understand what people have been saying, then I'm not going to bother listening to the 100th post of "OH WOE IS AMY" from you every time a new issue comes out and watch you talk about how "ruined" she is. 

I don't even post here that much calm down. This is why I don't post here often to much finger pointing me being the only one.   

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13 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

I don't even post here that much calm down. This is why I don't post here often to much finger pointing me being the only one.   

Yea, and whenever you do, it's the same thing about Amy and almost never anything else. And nobody would be so hard on you if you actually tried to engage in conversation instead of just crying about Amy all of the time and disagreeing with anyone who tries to say otherwise.  I'm not trying to scare you off, and I apologize if I sound overly aggressive but I'm trying to get you to actually read and understand the words that are being said in this topic and to think about something beyond "Amy isn't how I want her to be". Otherwise, If all you want do is just complain about Amy, then be my guest and just ignore this post altogether and I'll just stop this conversation right here. 

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2 hours ago, Fire-N-Space said:

Well written? I just want to see Amy act like Amy.

What exactly do you want her to do to "act like Amy" again?

 

Anyway, everyone is deteriorating this issue.
 

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Sonic is literally running ragged.

Amy is hanging on.

Tails is (barely) hanging on.

Tangle has fallen.

Whisper is devastated (after opening up after losing her crew, how could she not be?).

Cream is... dead inside (This hurt me). :_:

Espio's ticked.

Gemerl is Gemerl.

Starline is fed up.

Eggman don't care... yet.

Deadly Six are about to make their move.

And we still don't know what happened with Silver, or Knuckles, or even Blaze.

 

And it's clear things are gonna get worse. It's gonna be a miracle to see how all this gets resolved.

 

Also speculating/hoping about what comes next when the whole Metal Virus plot is finally over, so don't take me too seriously:

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I'm really hoping there are some lasting effects or elements in the aftermath of this story.

-Sonic needs a break when he's cured. A LONG break. He'll likely collapse, probably go into a coma or something. I mean, who wouldn't after running non-stop for a dozen or so issues just to survive. And running is literally his entire thing.

-Eggman needs to be out of the equation for a good while instead of quickly formulating a new scheme. Let some other villain take the arc spotlight for once.

-How to handle "dealing with" Eggman. Because Shadow and Espio blamed Sonic for letting him carry on during his "Mr. Tinker" phase. A lot of non-main-cast people looking up to Sonic are gonna demand him to do more than just "foil another plot". And this ever the war.

-As sadistic as it sounds, Cream's trauma needs to stay so there can be a potential plot to how handle it. Just because she will be reunited with her mom and Chao again doesn't mean everything's A-OK and she can return to her happy self right away (after everything that's happened and likely happen before the end of the MV plot  ;_;). And, let's face it, most of us wanted her to be more active since the last issues of the Archie comics (and in general), so now we have to reap what we sow.

-I'm wondering if what happened with Tangle this issue will undo the bonding when she and Whisper are together again. Whisper will want to be alone again, and it'll be a while to rebuild that bond. Or she'll be more determined than ever to protect everyone.

-Probably, most importantly, some bite sized stories instead of one huge epic like this one. Even I feel like it's been dragging on for a little too long.

And while we're on the subject of Tangle's big moment in this issue.

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It kind of reminds me of the end of Halo Reach.

Both her and the PC in Reach stays behind and keeps fighting until the end even when they know they'll lose/fall/die.

 

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