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21 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

People normally don't like it when a characters personality changes without reason in TV, movies and whatnot. 

That's not what's been happening though; you're literally the only one here that's been making a big deal of Amy being "ruined" because it's not the version of her that you want to see. You're not even judging the story on its own merits anymore, but on the merits on what YOU want it to be when it's never going to be like that.   More than half of your posts here can basically be boiled down to "Why isn't Amy acting like how I want her to be", and almost nothing about the actual story itself or even any other character.

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3 minutes ago, Kuzu said:

That's not what's been happening though; you're literally the only one here that's been making a big deal of Amy being "ruined" because it's not the version of her that you want to see. You're not even judging the story on its own merits anymore, but on the merits on what YOU want it to be when it's never going to be like that. 

I am the one and only person that makes criticism about Amy lets just ignore all the people who feel the same way as me, call Amy a stalker and happy to see her changed in Boom to "fix" her personality.

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1 minute ago, Fire-N-Space said:

...lets just ignore all the people who feel the same way as me...

All the people here?

That only accounts for 2 other people as far as I'm aware, one of them being me...and I'm not really vocal about character related opinions.

Hmm, there may be more, who knows?

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10 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

I am the one and only person that makes criticism about Amy lets just ignore all the people who feel the same way as me, call Amy a stalker and happy to see her changed in Boom to "fix" her personality.

Once again, almost EVERY post in this topic about Amy has been from YOU. You are quite literally the ONLY one who has been making a big deal about this. And once again, you're not even talking about the story that is currently happening in IDW anymore. And then you wonder why people refuse to hear you out when you make posts like these that generalize everything to justify your stance. 

If you're not going to bother trying to understand what people have been saying, then I'm not going to bother listening to the 100th post of "OH WOE IS AMY" from you every time a new issue comes out and watch you talk about how "ruined" she is. 

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2 minutes ago, Kuzu said:

Once again, almost EVERY post in this topic about Amy has been from YOU. You are quite literally the ONLY one who has been making a big deal about this. And once again, you're not even talking about the story that is currently happening in IDW anymore. And then you wonder why people refuse to hear you out when you make posts like these that generalize everything to justify your stance. 

If you're not going to bother trying to understand what people have been saying, then I'm not going to bother listening to the 100th post of "OH WOE IS AMY" from you every time a new issue comes out and watch you talk about how "ruined" she is. 

I don't even post here that much calm down. This is why I don't post here often to much finger pointing me being the only one.   

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13 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

I don't even post here that much calm down. This is why I don't post here often to much finger pointing me being the only one.   

Yea, and whenever you do, it's the same thing about Amy and almost never anything else. And nobody would be so hard on you if you actually tried to engage in conversation instead of just crying about Amy all of the time and disagreeing with anyone who tries to say otherwise.  I'm not trying to scare you off, and I apologize if I sound overly aggressive but I'm trying to get you to actually read and understand the words that are being said in this topic and to think about something beyond "Amy isn't how I want her to be". Otherwise, If all you want do is just complain about Amy, then be my guest and just ignore this post altogether and I'll just stop this conversation right here. 

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2 hours ago, Fire-N-Space said:

Well written? I just want to see Amy act like Amy.

What exactly do you want her to do to "act like Amy" again?

 

Anyway, everyone is deteriorating this issue.
 

Spoiler

 

Sonic is literally running ragged.

Amy is hanging on.

Tails is (barely) hanging on.

Tangle has fallen.

Whisper is devastated (after opening up after losing her crew, how could she not be?).

Cream is... dead inside (This hurt me). :_:

Espio's ticked.

Gemerl is Gemerl.

Starline is fed up.

Eggman don't care... yet.

Deadly Six are about to make their move.

And we still don't know what happened with Silver, or Knuckles, or even Blaze.

 

And it's clear things are gonna get worse. It's gonna be a miracle to see how all this gets resolved.

 

Also speculating/hoping about what comes next when the whole Metal Virus plot is finally over, so don't take me too seriously:

Spoiler

I'm really hoping there are some lasting effects or elements in the aftermath of this story.

-Sonic needs a break when he's cured. A LONG break. He'll likely collapse, probably go into a coma or something. I mean, who wouldn't after running non-stop for a dozen or so issues just to survive. And running is literally his entire thing.

-Eggman needs to be out of the equation for a good while instead of quickly formulating a new scheme. Let some other villain take the arc spotlight for once.

-How to handle "dealing with" Eggman. Because Shadow and Espio blamed Sonic for letting him carry on during his "Mr. Tinker" phase. A lot of non-main-cast people looking up to Sonic are gonna demand him to do more than just "foil another plot". And this ever the war.

-As sadistic as it sounds, Cream's trauma needs to stay so there can be a potential plot to how handle it. Just because she will be reunited with her mom and Chao again doesn't mean everything's A-OK and she can return to her happy self right away (after everything that's happened and likely happen before the end of the MV plot  ;_;). And, let's face it, most of us wanted her to be more active since the last issues of the Archie comics (and in general), so now we have to reap what we sow.

-I'm wondering if what happened with Tangle this issue will undo the bonding when she and Whisper are together again. Whisper will want to be alone again, and it'll be a while to rebuild that bond. Or she'll be more determined than ever to protect everyone.

-Probably, most importantly, some bite sized stories instead of one huge epic like this one. Even I feel like it's been dragging on for a little too long.

And while we're on the subject of Tangle's big moment in this issue.

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It kind of reminds me of the end of Halo Reach.

Both her and the PC in Reach stays behind and keeps fighting until the end even when they know they'll lose/fall/die.

 

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The thing about trama and crisis is even the strongest can be worn down and you see that with Amy. The writing is amazing.Not everyone is going to shot rainbows out their bottom 24/7. Amy shows this. She started out somewhat positive on top of things and handling them as they came at her. But seeing everyone fall one by one, even those close to her in their group fall and still trying to scramble ideas in her head on what she should do next to try and save everyone on a situation with no bright end in sight can break anyone. She is at that point where shes on the edge trying to do what she can but is slowly giving way. And im sure that is what Eggman and Starline would love to see.

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10 minutes ago, Meta77 said:

The thing about trauma and crisis is even the strongest can be worn down and you see that with Amy. The writing is amazing.Not everyone is going to shot rainbows out their bottom 24/7. Amy shows this. She started out somewhat positive on top of things and handling them as they came at her. But seeing everyone fall one by one, even those close to her in their group fall and still trying to scramble ideas in her head on what she should do next to try and save everyone on a situation with no bright end in sight can break anyone. She is at that point where shes on the edge trying to do what she can but is slowly giving way. And im sure that is what Eggman and Starline would love to see.

Exactly. You can't just keep up the optimism unless there is a sure sign that things will get better. And so far every bit of those signs have been ruthlessly, hilariously tramped.

Cream has been trying to keep an upper lip since she lost Cheese and Chocola, but when she lost her mom, you start to wonder what's left.

Tails was sure that he had the makings of a cure but lost it,  and any backup of that data, from a Zombot attack. He's running/ran out of options.

Hell, even Sonic is struggling to keep being his "Sonic Self" because he's dead tired, on the verge of collapse or zombotification, can't even touch anyone without infecting them, and have to continue putting up with Eggman's crap.

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17 minutes ago, Sir Tinstripe said:

What exactly do you want her to do to "act like Amy" again?

To not act out a fans desire the example being some say Peach getting kidnap by Bowser is played out but Nintendo never changes the characters on the fans whims.

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6 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

To not act out a fans desire the example being some say Peach getting kidnap by Bowser is played out but Nintendo never changes the characters on the fans whims.

I don't understand what is or isn't a "fan's desire".

Are you saying she needs to be keep being happy and perky?

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Finally got a chance to read #24. Pretty solid overall, they're actually selling the characters being worn down and broken, and Tangle is great here, she's definitely the highlight of the issue. I'm kinda underwhelmed by Whisper's breakdown, though. I mean I get that it's stomping directly on where she's most emotionally vulnerable and the art's pretty visceral, but it's another case of things feeling a bit rushed, and with a little more time and a little more space I think they could've twisted the knife harder.

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22 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

No, it means don't get influence by fans.

Ok not being salty here but how is Amy not thinking about how much she wants Sonic to put a ring on it "influence of the fans"?

You seem to think that if she's not constantly drooling over Sonic that it's a betrayal of her character which ignores other parts of her like her willingness to help people which is what lead her to more or less leading the Resistance and now leading the Restoration. 

Amy is more than just her love of Sonic and her temper and them finally giving her layers beyond that is what's made her more interesting. 

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Congratulations Whisper

 

Overall got to see it and I liked it. It was friggin nuts how dread and depression was portrayed. Like you get smacked in the face with a brick labelled "SAD" when you see it. I also see depressed Cream memes coming out of this story what with how she looks like someone about to preach how meaningless everything is. Manic Depressed Cream.

And my Son cried...that's a crime. Too cute to cry dammit XP.

Oh and the Amy discussion while I'm NOT interested. I will say it would work so much better if we got to hear how a revised script for her in this chapter would sound...to get the point across. Otherwise no one is going to get what this other supposed better Amy is. 

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2 hours ago, Diogenes said:

...and with a little more time and a little more space I think they could've twisted the knife harder.

Having her breakdown either start or continue into the next issue, something like that...yeah, having it be at the tail end of this issue meant they couldn't sell it as much. It's fine...

G-Emerl: Sonic's speed is losing its ability to hold back the virus.

Is he just saying Sonic's not moving as fast as he can to stifle the virus? Was this necessary?

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8 minutes ago, StaticMania said:

G-Emerl: Sonic's speed is losing its ability to hold back the virus.

Is he just saying Sonic's not moving as fast as he can to stifle the virus? Was this necessary?

No. Sonic's speed been successfully burning off the virus's progress so far ever since he and Tails came up with the idea, which became necessary to analyze and come up with a cure before they lost Tails's lab and the HQ.

But Gemerl is saying the virus is probably adapting, or Sonic's body is losing health, to the point where said burn-off is becoming less effective against it. No doubt Eggman already had this in mind to ensure its literally unstoppable. 

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8 hours ago, Sir Tinstripe said:

What exactly do you want her to do to "act like Amy" again?

 

Anyway, everyone is deteriorating this issue.
 

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Sonic is literally running ragged.

Amy is hanging on.

Tails is (barely) hanging on.

Tangle has fallen.

Whisper is devastated (after opening up after losing her crew, how could she not be?).

Cream is... dead inside (This hurt me). :_:

Espio's ticked.

Gemerl is Gemerl.

Starline is fed up.

Eggman don't care... yet.

Deadly Six are about to make their move.

And we still don't know what happened with Silver, or Knuckles, or even Blaze.

 

And it's clear things are gonna get worse. It's gonna be a miracle to see how all this gets resolved.

 

Also speculating/hoping about what comes next when the whole Metal Virus plot is finally over, so don't take me too seriously:

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I'm really hoping there are some lasting effects or elements in the aftermath of this story.

-Sonic needs a break when he's cured. A LONG break. He'll likely collapse, probably go into a coma or something. I mean, who wouldn't after running non-stop for a dozen or so issues just to survive. And running is literally his entire thing.

-Eggman needs to be out of the equation for a good while instead of quickly formulating a new scheme. Let some other villain take the arc spotlight for once.

-How to handle "dealing with" Eggman. Because Shadow and Espio blamed Sonic for letting him carry on during his "Mr. Tinker" phase. A lot of non-main-cast people looking up to Sonic are gonna demand him to do more than just "foil another plot". And this ever the war.

-As sadistic as it sounds, Cream's trauma needs to stay so there can be a potential plot to how handle it. Just because she will be reunited with her mom and Chao again doesn't mean everything's A-OK and she can return to her happy self right away (after everything that's happened and likely happen before the end of the MV plot  ;_;). And, let's face it, most of us wanted her to be more active since the last issues of the Archie comics (and in general), so now we have to reap what we sow.

-I'm wondering if what happened with Tangle this issue will undo the bonding when she and Whisper are together again. Whisper will want to be alone again, and it'll be a while to rebuild that bond. Or she'll be more determined than ever to protect everyone.

-Probably, most importantly, some bite sized stories instead of one huge epic like this one. Even I feel like it's been dragging on for a little too long.

And while we're on the subject of Tangle's big moment in this issue.

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It kind of reminds me of the end of Halo Reach.

Both her and the PC in Reach stays behind and keeps fighting until the end even when they know they'll lose/fall/die.

 

Was Gemerl in this issue? 

I have to consider something happened to Silver at this point, tbh. 

Where are they even going now? 

8 hours ago, Sir Tinstripe said:

 

Also speculating/hoping about what comes next when the whole Metal Virus plot is finally over, so don't take me too seriously:

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1I'm really hoping there are some lasting effects or elements in the aftermath of this story.

-Sonic needs a break when he's cured. A LONG break. He'll likely collapse, probably go into a coma or something. I mean, who wouldn't after running non-stop for a dozen or so issues just to survive. And running is literally his entire thing.

2-Eggman needs to be out of the equation for a good while instead of quickly formulating a new scheme. Let some other villain take the arc spotlight for once.

3-As sadistic as it sounds, Cream's trauma needs to stay so there can be a potential plot to how handle it. Just because she will be reunited with her mom and Chao again doesn't mean everything's A-OK and she can return to her happy self right away (after everything that's happened and likely happen before the end of the MV plot  ;_;). And, let's face it, most of us wanted her to be more active since the last issues of the Archie comics (and in general), so now we have to reap what we sow.

4-Probably, most importantly, some bite sized stories instead of one huge epic like this one. Even I feel like it's been dragging on for a little too long.

 

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1. Eeh, that's very probable for better or worse. 

2. Who could fill that role after this though? 

3. Yeah, as distressing as that could be.

4. Yes, that'd definitely be nice.

 

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I doubt anything happened to Silver or Rouge, if they are missing, they are okay, like Knuckles. Big however… he's definitely gone.

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Btw, I feared Tangle would be gone soon, it makes sense because like Sonic, she Attacks directly with her body. Unlike Amy with the hammer, or Tails via gadgets, Whisper with the Wispon, Espio with his shurikens and stars, Cream doesn't fight, Silver with telekinesis, etc.

 

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11 hours ago, dbzfan7 said:

Congratulations Whisper

 

Overall got to see it and I liked it. It was friggin nuts how dread and depression was portrayed. Like you get smacked in the face with a brick labelled "SAD" when you see it. I also see depressed Cream memes coming out of this story what with how she looks like someone about to preach how meaningless everything is. Manic Depressed Cream.

 

As good or better than 2-Hardcore-2-Care Cream? 

14 hours ago, Kuzu said:

Once again, almost EVERY post in this topic about Amy has been from YOU. You are quite literally the ONLY one who has been making a big deal about this. And once again, you're not even talking about the story that is currently happening in IDW anymore. And then you wonder why people refuse to hear you out when you make posts like these that generalize everything to justify your stance. 

If you're not going to bother trying to understand what people have been saying, then I'm not going to bother listening to the 100th post of "OH WOE IS AMY" from you every time a new issue comes out and watch you talk about how "ruined" she is. 

I guess Fan J's grievance doesn't factor in here. 

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@Fire-N-Space, I would like to apologize for you getting ganged up on there as it doesn't seem like anyone realized your initial post on this issue was in response to the conversation stemmed off from my complaints as an Amy fan. On the topic of your comment though, no, Amy is not a wet blanket as she is not ruining things for anyone. Conversely, Amy is almost a non entity in this volume. She is there almost entirely just to tell Sonic information and point him to the next plot thread.

Moving on to this question

11 hours ago, dbzfan7 said:

Oh and the Amy discussion while I'm NOT interested. I will say it would work so much better if we got to hear how a revised script for her in this chapter would sound...to get the point across. Otherwise no one is going to get what this other supposed better Amy is.

Speaking for myself at least, almost everything Tangle was this issue is what I normally expect from Amy. Cheerful and optimistic in the face of adversity. Biting off more than she can chew and getting in trouble for. Staying optimistic despite how bad things are. Unwavering faith in Sonic to save the day and giving a pep talk to someone who needs it. Those are all things I expect out of Amy, yet it was Tangle who displayed all that and all I could not keep myself from feeling like that scene was almost written perfectly for Amy outside of those Tangle specific things (being her hometown, her tail, her childhood friend being infected already, etc...).

Now to be fair at least, I definitely had false expectations for Amy in the IDW comics based on my reaction to Issue 2. There was so much that just seemed like everything I enjoy about her character was going to be displayed by her in this book that I allowed myself to forget that from Lost World on that SEGA pretty much completely overhauled her character. Into what I can't say as they've barely used her at all so what their new vision is is beyond me. What I can say though, is knowing that just makes it that much worse for me. All I can hope for is maybe I can see if the comics will eventually reveal what SEGA wants her to be, but that brings me to a writing problem

13 hours ago, Meta77 said:

The thing about trama and crisis is even the strongest can be worn down and you see that with Amy. The writing is amazing.Not everyone is going to shot rainbows out their bottom 24/7. Amy shows this. She started out somewhat positive on top of things and handling them as they came at her. But seeing everyone fall one by one, even those close to her in their group fall and still trying to scramble ideas in her head on what she should do next to try and save everyone on a situation with no bright end in sight can break anyone. She is at that point where shes on the edge trying to do what she can but is slowly giving way. And im sure that is what Eggman and Starline would love to see.

 

13 hours ago, Sir Tinstripe said:

Exactly. You can't just keep up the optimism unless there is a sure sign that things will get better. And so far every bit of those signs have been ruthlessly, hilariously tramped.

Cream has been trying to keep an upper lip since she lost Cheese and Chocola, but when she lost her mom, you start to wonder what's left.

Tails was sure that he had the makings of a cure but lost it,  and any backup of that data, from a Zombot attack. He's running/ran out of options.

Hell, even Sonic is struggling to keep being his "Sonic Self" because he's dead tired, on the verge of collapse or zombotification, can't even touch anyone without infecting them, and have to continue putting up with Eggman's crap.

I would fully agree with this if there was something to base it off of for Amy. If I fall back on the character's history with the games I would not expect her to appear so worn down. If I were to discard her history from games though the comic has simply established her as the "leader" who happens to like Sonic and wants to go adventures with him but puts her responsibilities first. That doesn't really tell me a lot and leaves how she handles this story arc to develop her character in the comics. The problem there is that unlike Sonic, Tails, Cream, and Espio we don't see any distinct events wearing her down. We are left with really just she keeps failing to have teams report in and, while this can tells us that she cares for the nebulous all, it doesn't really feel personal like the others. This could have been helped with Issue 22 which was supposed to be focused on her, but she still pretty much got nothing while the next steps in Cream and Espio's decay were clearly illustrated. To those who see a developing character arc and great characterization I'm glad you can for she has felt like a non-character for sometime to me now.

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Moving on like the story itself, I am curious about what type of chaos is going to be occurring on the Face Ship as well as what avenue of response to Tangle's infection is going to be explored with Whisper. Her response and subsequent coping has actually finally made me interested in her as a character.

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Look, I'm not going to pretend that Amy has been a major player throughout all of this. She's definitely taken a backseat for the most part.

I just disagree that it's some big betrayal of the character. I know the everyone wants to see their favorite character in the best possible light, but realistically speaking, that's not always going to be the case. Characters fall out of the limelight all of the time depending on the story. It's the literally one of the most fundamental parts of telling a story.

Your favorite characters will not always be a major part of the story,  and they will not always act in ways that you think they should act.

 

Can we just....talk about the story please? We've had to deal with "my favorite character deserves better" stuff with Shadow and now Amy.

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11 hours ago, Sir Tinstripe said:

No. Sonic's speed been successfully burning off the virus's progress so far ever since he and Tails came up with the idea, which became necessary to analyze and come up with a cure before they lost Tails's lab and the HQ.

But Gemerl is saying the virus is probably adapting, or Sonic's body is losing health, to the point where said burn-off is becoming less effective against it. No doubt Eggman already had this in mind to ensure its literally unstoppable. 

Ah. That would make sense.

1 hour ago, Sonic Fan J said:

Conversely, Amy is almost a non entity in this volume. She is there almost entirely just to tell Sonic information and point him to the next plot thread.

Essentially.

1 hour ago, Sonic Fan J said:

I would fully agree with this if there was something to base it off of for Amy.If I fall back on the character's history with the games I would not expect her to appear so worn down. If I were to discard her history from games though the comic has simply established her as the "leader" who happens to like Sonic and wants to go adventures with him but puts her responsibilities first. That doesn't really tell me a lot and leaves how she handles this story arc to develop her character in the comics

I mean she arguably had it better than everyone besides Tails, Knuckles, Silver, and maybe Charmy, but then the high was jarringly disjointed in comparison.

1 hour ago, Sonic Fan J said:

The problem there is that unlike Sonic, Tails, Cream, and Espio we don't see any distinct events wearing her down. We are left with really just she keeps failing to have teams report in and, while this can tells us that she cares for the nebulous all, it doesn't really feel personal like the others.This could have been helped with Issue 22 which was supposed to be focused on her, but she still pretty much got nothing while the next steps in Cream and Espio's decay were clearly illustrated. To those who see a developing character arc and great characterization I'm glad you can for she has felt like a non-character for sometime to me now.

That is very true.

Amy is primarily defined by her wannabe relationship to Sonic and lacks much in the way of a special skill or defining background to fall back on unlike them and several others. That could be a good part of why she tends to be more prone to 'Depending on the Writer' than most of the characters.

This comic in itself just kinda saddled her with role .

1 hour ago, Sonic Fan J said:

This could have been helped with Issue 22 which was supposed to be focused on her, but she still pretty much got nothing 

Was it?

37 minutes ago, Kuzu said:

Look, I'm not going to pretend that Amy has been a major player throughout all of this. She's definitely taken a backseat for the most part.

I just disagree that it's some big betrayal of the character. I know the everyone wants to see their favorite character in the best possible light, but realistically speaking, that's not always going to be the case. Characters fall out of the limelight all of the time depending on the story. It's the literally one of the most fundamental parts of telling a story.

Your favorite characters will not always be a major part of the story,  and they will not always act in ways that you think they should act.

 

Can we just....talk about the story please? We've had to deal with "my favorite character deserves better" stuff with Shadow and now Amy.

It probably goes to show the level of people reading the comics for what the games aren't providing consistently enough and/or as an in-between.

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