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The issue with trades or trying delay releasing in this scenario is that a lot of idea's books including sonic are licensed. And in the particular case of sonic heavily monitored and can change when sega wants it to. Having it be a month to month thing allows sega to dictate and watch some of it but on the other end doesn't result in large chunks of the book having to be redone if they want to go in another direction.

Also the mention of manga is disingenuous,  because manga does have floppies. There are bunches of collection books like jump that have weekly releases of chapters for manga. It's actually excruciatingly brutal for a lot of mangaka causing them to burn out or worse. The dudes releasing weekly wish their chapters could be a month worth of work and they could operate on delays. And the guys doing monthly  are releasing 4 weeks worth of that content at the end of it. How western and eastern books are being released really arent comparable especially when this is a licensed property with its ip owner to keep pleased. This isnt even mentioning the Japanese comics industry despite their success maybe shoulder be the thing you want to model yourself after due to...the tendency to overwork

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Pretty sure delays would be at the very bottom of the list of "most concerning problems with the western/NA comics industry."

 

There are problems such as companies caring too little about trades (a series can perform "badly" monthly but incredible in trade and Marvel will have already canceled it anyway) and the industry is kind of clueless to how unappealing floppies are to a lot of potential new readers, but I don't think the solution to any of that is doing away with monthly releases entirely.

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On 2/7/2020 at 9:11 PM, Zaysho said:

Man, could be worse.

At least IDW gives y'all a heads up. Compared to Archie keeping quiet, collecting money from subscriptions (and doing everything in their power to keep them), and only admitting that they don't have the license anymore a month before the new publisher is announced.

That experience has honestly totally soured me on Archie as a company. Doesn't help they've kinda always been incompetent. 

Not just with Sonic either as far back as they're TMNT comic where for the original miniseries and first few issues of the ongoing they adapted episodes of the cartoon...except they actually legally couldn't do that and had to abandon adaptations mid arc.

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If we're talking trades and using manga as an example, most manga don't release trades whenever it's most convenient. Trades, tankobon, whatever you want to call it, is a collection of chapters released over the last, let's say, three or four months (usually). And before they're collected in trade, these chapters are printed in magazines to a schedule, whether it's weekly, biweekly, monthly, or just a special one-off. And if all these manga weren't in magazines, then they'd be in the exact same format as floppies.

Western comic book publishing already does that. Now, I don't agree with the paperbacks IDW sell, as it's more costly than manga for far less pages. But if a trade of IDW Sonic collected a year of comics in a 192-page volume were to be sold at the same price as their current volumes, I'd be very enthusiastic about collecting them. That, however, wouldn't happen if the comics themselves wouldn't sell, and everyone switched to only picking up the trades, but... I'm at a loss, and I kinda forgot where I was going with this.

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1 hour ago, caitash said:

Apparently some comic shops have started selling issue 25 early so please be wary of spoilers appearing if you don’t want it spoiled.

 

Also the 2 extra preview pages are out:

 

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Good to hear.

Spoiler

 

Well that didn't last long. Interesting little nuance there.

What is that symbol?

 

8 minutes ago, Marco9966 said:
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So Starline is still faithful to Eggman, he only wanted the zetis as a temporary solution

 

He said as much at one point, if I'm not mistaken.

7 minutes ago, Marco9966 said:

Zazz's punch was so solid

Or headbutt anyway.

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29 minutes ago, DabigRG said:

Good to hear.

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Well that didn't last long. Interesting little nuance there.

What is that symbol?

 

 

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I think it's supposed to be Rouge. 

 

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1 hour ago, Marco9966 said:

I hope they write Shadow differently after this arc.

I just re-read his moments in the metal virus arc and it's as bad as the first time I read it

I agree. I think though the bigger issue isn't that its bad, that isn't to deny its lack in quality , is that overall shadow's kinda worthless in this entire book. It gives those weird lines in the metal saga a very odd context, or lack their of.

I want shadow to be written better , but what I want the most is for the comic to show having him around is a good thing. Shadow has kinda got cheated out of having that story about him. Ian Flynn wanted to write shadow apart of some larger thing with shadow's characterization payoff coming through some sort of sacrifice, so shadow wasn't really much of a character in his first IDW appearances. " Oh this guy seemed like a dick but he's actually really cool and has points" .When we supposed to get that characterization , sega wanted him different. And now Ian is talking about not writing him for a while.

I would like a comic where shadow is written differently. But If I am being honest, I would like a comic where shadow is written at all? Because that would show people why he's valuable to have around or interesting.

I think what stings the most about comic shadow. Is not his abrasive personality, its not sega's intervention, its not his lack of clear characterization on Ian's part. But that it doesn't even seem the narrative he was supposed to head up is interesting to the audience. Shadow's perspective on eggman is supposed to be coloring this entire narrative. The entire scenario that is occurring is partially sonic's fault. The issue is, from what I am seeing from fans... no one cares? And in some cases actively critical of it, no one talks about that part and are actively criticizing characters for being too upset about it even though they are justified , because this level of drama for a lot of folks doesn't fit their perception of these characters. So it seems like even if sega didn't intervene that entire book wouldn't really have been received well because no one cares to have that argument about eggman. Either way shadow's part in the story would have been pointless, but with this version Ian decides he just doesn't want to write him for a while. So that isn't the best look, and it sucks if you like that character.

If I may end this on a bit of an ironic note. While yes the eggman morality thing seems like for audience the least interesting bit. Part of the reasons given for audience members not being fond of say espio indulging in this because it doesn't fit his character. That makes sense, a lot of these characters ( including sonic himself TBH ) aren't built to have thoughts like that and it isn't that interesting of a narrative for that world. However  they do have a character that is good for that and he was turned into a zombie for a cheap pop for one comic and doesn't and seems like he wont show up in anything significant again.

Shadow's abrasive personality on sega's end and Flynns desire for some intricate morality driven narrative has given shadow nothing of value to do or to be. Shadow doing nothing and just talking with sonic about this and the situation would have actually brought more value than either side has done. That's a weird bit of irony.

 

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On that one point...literally in Espio's first voiced appearance he vows (more than once if I remember correctly) to kill Eggman.

Sometimes it's not official writers' fault fans don't remember everything or have specific interpretations of characters that just don't gel with how they actually are.

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The only fix I'd have had for Shadow is that he got infected, but instead of going full dumbass, "Cell Saga Vegeta" like IDW has him, he actually used a couple of his active brain cells and ran when he was told to and then he and Sonic are forced to work together and hash things out to come to some compromise. I think it'd give people time to warm up to this incarnation, but I think the story was just a bit too ambitious this early on when smaller storylines to develop the characters would have been more effective.

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1 hour ago, Shadowlax said:

Part of the reasons given for audience members not being fond of say espio indulging in this because it doesn't fit his character.

"Death to the evil one! Prepare to die, Eggman!"

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I feel like people don't care about the Eggman morality issue, or even this entire arc for two specific reasons:

1) They're not going to kill Eggman, ever. It's a pointless question to bring up because it presents a situation that can literally never be resolved. He's the franchise's primary and most recurring villain and will always be prominently featured in some capacity. To that effect, it makes Shadow seem foolish for trying to kill him because you already know that he isn't going to succeed no matter how valid his arguments are. He has to be wrong, otherwise it makes the heroes look worse for never doing something about Eggman despite how dangerous he is. And as pointed out, this entire scenario vidicates Shadow's point because this entire arc is the result of Sonic letting Eggman go, and shows exactly why Shadow was justified in trying to get rid of him early. Basically, it's presented a problem but without an actual solution.

2) There's no real characterization buildup for this arc, it's just something that kind of happens. Obviously somebody thought that writing this type of arc was for the sake of enticing readers with a large scale conflict that shows all of the characters involved. But because there was no time to developing the specific incarnations of these characters, you pretty much have to rely on prior incarnations to establish some kind of base. Sometimes that's fine, but as others have criticized, people believe the characters are not acting in ways they feel are appropriate, because the series has yet to establish who these specific versions of these characters are or why we should care about them and their situation. So we have to rely on what we already know about these characters, but that's not always congruent with what this series does. Is IDW!Sonic different from Sega!Sonic, how so? What differentiates them?  The series has been more focused on telling big, epic storylines than actually developing the setting or characters in them.

On an added note, it makes watching these dark and bleak moments ring absolutely hollow at times. We're watching a world and characters that we barely know anything about succumb to this epidemic, but without the proper buildup and focus, it can absolutely fall flat. On top of that, it's been nothing but these moments for almost a year now. Every single issue to this point can basically be summed up as "It got worse". I get that it's a Western comic book series and there's only but so much stuff that can be added, but that's exactly why each issue needs to have enough content to hold the reader over for the month. Watching the same thing happen on repeat gets old very fast. 

 

 

Ultimately, after the Metal Virus saga is resolved, I feel like this series should back to square one; nix the resistance/faux forces setup and focus more on establishing the setting and characters. You can do this with micro scaled and more character-driven stories similar to what Tangle and Whisper pulled off. Once the setting has been properly established then things can start building towards some macro-sized conflict.

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