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The series presents larger than life stakes and how much you read into those stakes is down to the consumer. There's no "right" way to read these things. Creatives are counting at least some people buying entirely into the conflict and being immersed, regardless of what more seasoned people who are aware of the strings on the puppets think.

TLDR: This is an argument about nothing. Some can get immersed in kids franchise storytelling and some can't. I personally largely can't read much into Eggman's threats these days. The franchise would have to mature a lot more before I could.

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1 minute ago, Shadowlax said:

While I disagree with your notion that actually having consequences is some how a gritty drama,

Not what I actually said.

I'm tired of going in circles on this subject so, whatever, I'm out.

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1 hour ago, Conquering Storm’s Servant said:

How are we not suppose to think about the stuff he’s done when he does it onscreen?

That’s stretching a little too far.

Him blowing up the moon was portrayed just as serious as him holding a gun to Amy’s head in the same game—they both showed he has a means of taking innocent lives if his demands are not, and all he really needs is a reason. It’s all about either stopping him or at the very least not giving him a reason to carry his threats out.

Ignoring the whole "the moon turned around lmao" thing Izuka tried to tell us, the reason him blowing up the moon isn't serious is because nothing happens. It's Eggman flexing so the president can take him seriously, but nothing comes of it. The tides don't change and everybody doesn't drown, Eggman doesn't even get any comeuppance at the end of the game, and we aren't told of anyone dying offscreen.

Him shooting Amy obviously wasn't going to happen, but it's more tangible because Amy's an actual character we know and care about. Him threatening to burn down the Lost Hex and strangle the D6 works because we've been dealing with them for the whole game. Blowing up objects and boasting, less so. 

Aside from forces, with its whole "80% of our troops got wiped out" thing which should be Knuckle's fault anyway, there's not a lot of onscreen blood on Eggman's hands. 

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22 minutes ago, thumbs13 said:

Ignoring the whole "the moon turned around lmao" thing Izuka tried to tell us, the reason him blowing up the moon isn't serious is because nothing happens. It's Eggman flexing so the president can take him seriously, but nothing comes of it. The tides don't change and everybody doesn't drown, Eggman doesn't even get any comeuppance at the end of the game, and we aren't told of anyone dying offscreen.

That’s because the thing was a show of force. It was either the moon or the planet, and the moon happened to be a better demonstration because it showed that this guy is evil enough to destroy something, yet ironically polite enough not to kill anyone yet (and whether he would fire it at the world or not is debatable considering he tried to do that  the moment he got the last Emerald, only to get locked out by a fail-safe program designed to do something else.)

Basically, Hostage Taking 101, with the extra credit being the whole planet as the hostage.

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Him shooting Amy obviously wasn't going to happen, but it's more tangible because Amy's an actual character we know and care about. Him threatening to burn down the Lost Hex and strangle the D6 works because we've been dealing with them for the whole game. Blowing up objects and boasting, less so. 

Aside from forces, with its whole "80% of our troops got wiped out" thing which should be Knuckle's fault anyway, there's not a lot of onscreen blood on Eggman's hands. 

No one’s denying that he hasn’t had any onscreen blood. But the fact remains that this guy makes serious threats and is a danger to peoples lives to get what he wants. Every means he has tried has involved the use of violence—over-the-top violence, yes, but violence nonetheless that is not always treated the same way as what you’d get from Looney Tunes given that there’s a more implied sense of there being a high risk of lives lost if carried out—it’s not always silliness with this guy, and it’s for that reason he’s taken seriously enough as more of a threat than a joke, even if Sonic wisecracks to his face. And even then, we can still find the guy silly and a threat worth taking seriously at the same time. Hell, even Sonic does when the stakes are high enough.

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6 hours ago, Razule said:

Maybe because the games usually don't take it as seriously or address it.

I don't buy that. I'm sorry everyone claims this but Colors and Lost World both have moments showing Sonic on particular reacting to the major circumstances of Eggman's actions (his anger at the Wisps having their energy sucked out and that moment with him trying to contact anyone on the surface after the Deadly Six sucked out all the planets energy) and Forces is literally all about people taking Eggman's plans seriously because he, y'know, won.

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It's less a matter of "This comical villain can't be a legitimate threat sometimes" and much more of "our perennial bad guy generally shouldn't have a body count in the hundreds."

3 hours ago, Shadowlax said:

Well it wasn't the head but... i mean....maria...

 

Pfft, I was tempted to say something myself :joy:

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As mentioned, this is a pointless and circular argument. How much of a threat Eggman's actions are depends entirely on how much your willing suspension of disbelief is able to see through his actions.

 

That being said, the games never call much attention to what he does unless it's specifically relevant to the plot. Eggman pointing a gun to Amy is a big deal because she's a major character that we don't want to see hurt and she's being used as a hostage against Sonic.

The implications behind Eggman blowing up the moon or blowing up the planet are irrelevant because that's not what the plot is about. 

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3 hours ago, Kuzu said:

As mentioned, this is a pointless and circular argument. How much of a threat Eggman's actions are depends entirely on how much your willing suspension of disbelief is able to see through his actions.

 

That being said, the games never call much attention to what he does unless it's specifically relevant to the plot. Eggman pointing a gun to Amy is a big deal because she's a major character that we don't want to see hurt and she's being used as a hostage against Sonic.

The implications behind Eggman blowing up the moon or blowing up the planet are irrelevant because that's not what the plot is about. 

I think the implications of eggman pissing on the moon is  one of the greatest questions of our time good sir

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18 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

I think the implications of eggman pissing on the moon is  one of the greatest questions of our time good sir

I mean, nothing happened. Literally, as Forces Sonic would say.

But blowing stuff up never has much effect in Sonic. Remember in Shadow when the President got blown up directly in the white house and was fine in the next cutscene?

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Just now, thumbs13 said:

I mean, nothing happened. Literally, as Forces Sonic would say.

But blowing stuff up never has much effect in Sonic. Remember in Shadow when the President got blown up directly in the white house and was fine in the next cutscene?

i'm being funny, the moon thing didn't matter. Was a joke

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The solicitations for May 2020 are out.

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Sonic the Hedgehog #29—Cover A: Jack Lawrence

Ian Flynn (w) • Evan Stanley (a) • Jack Lawrence (c)

"All or Nothing," Part Four! This is it! Sonic and the remaining members of the Restoration team-up for their final fight against the ultra powerful Deadly Six. Not only do they have to take on Zavok, but a legion of zombots as well! The thrilling final battle of the Metal Virus Saga!

FC • 32 pages • $3.99

Sonic the Hedgehog #30—Cover A: Adam Bryce Thomas

Ian Flynn (w) • Adam Bryce Thomas (a & c)

The Metal Virus Saga is over, but that doesn't mean things are back to normal. As the world begins picking up the pieces, who will be missing? What villains will escape? And who will go back on their word?

FC • 32 pages • $3.99

 

 

Spoiler

Guess it's down to Sonic & Silver to save the day....and wow, we're really going to go the entire arc with Sonic never transforming aren't we...what was even the point?

 

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Huh, so they aren't going to use the Warp Topaz to reverse the damage that the virus caused then.

Sonic looks weird on that cover.. he's shiny, but he doesn't look like the virus is spreading over him. I'm assuming that's just a weird design choice, but maybe Sonic does fully turn but somehow keeps his free will.

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17 minutes ago, Kuzu said:

As the world begins picking up the pieces, who will be missing? What villains will escape? And who will go back on their word?

This part is really interesting. I presume that

Spoiler

some characters - maybe even Sonic and/or Eggman ? - will be sent elsewhere by the "Chaos Wrap combo". I wouldn't be surprised if it was the way to start a story in Blaze's World, or maybe a human world story in order to benefit from the movie not being that far away.

 

And that Omega+Orbot+Cubot cover is really funny.

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So let's see.

12 months  for the first arc, and then 15 months  for the second. And that's not even counting delays. 

 

Hopefully we have a longer break between arcs this time around; there was only a two issue break between the first and second arcs, and those issues were setup for the following arc. I'd at least prefer if the rest of the year was dedicated smaller scaled conflicts, worldbuilding and characterization. 

Please for the love of god. 

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I’d want something like what Archie Sonic gave us between the Iron Dominion and Mecha Sally arcs: shorter stories with some world exploration that also drops hints regarding the next major arc.

Also I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again: they need to start doing backup stories again.

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41 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:
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I'm lost , is the plan they are just gonna like warp to the bad guys and take em on?

 

Spoiler

Well, take the Deadly 6, all 6, at the same time, so the Zeti can't alert the others or have the others come for backup.

 

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2 hours ago, Kazhnuz said:

This part is really interesting. I presume that

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some characters - maybe even Sonic and/or Eggman ? - will be sent elsewhere by the "Chaos Wrap combo". I wouldn't be surprised if it was the way to start a story in Blaze's World, or maybe a human world story in order to benefit from the movie not being that far away.

 

And that Omega+Orbot+Cubot cover is really funny.

I think Eggman might landed on Ponyville what he will find another villiain who will stop Princess Twlight Sparkle and her friends that's makes there might be Sonic x My Little Pony crossover soon.

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