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8 minutes ago, StaticMania said:

I mean he was never a leader, as in that's never been a part of his character like the post above mine was implying.

Shocked. It's as if my description was less about the position and more about the guy.

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6 hours ago, Almar said:

He only became the leader from ST's lazyness. There's really no good argument for Knuckles and Amy to have their positions in the Resistance. They did jobs that should've been granted to new characters or less Classic/Iconic ones like Blaze or Vector or even G.U.N. Commander.

...if I had to choose between Knuckles and the G.U.N. Commander, I'd choose to follow Knuckles.

Every time.

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I don't remember Mr. Tower getting his army wiped out. Besides, doesn't make Blaze or Vector less suitable options (is an adult, is level-headed, actually has a job that has him/her juggle the personalities of teammates/subjects). Knuckles would really be suitable as a shock trooper.

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Been thinking about the previews, and I actually kind of like how vastly superior Eggman is portrayed at technological prowess than Tails. I mean, it's something that should happen regardless, but the whole angle of making Tails Eggman's rival with his childishness kind has a way of undermining the doc. Yet here we are in the eleventh hour and with nothing to really work with he scrounges up parts from the resistance shuttle and makes a multi portal generator capable of accessing multiple coordinates at once. No lab to work out of or advanced engineering facilities, just what he has on hand and the Warp Topaz. It's nice seeing Eggman's genius in his fields of expertise like this, even if it ultimately meaningless beyond the bare plot necessities.

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As for knuckles, I don't think it was lazyness or characterization he had, heck he's kinda dunked on in the narrative which is unfortunate. Like yeah knuckles is gullible at times but he's a competent character and fighter and its odd to frame him like that. But to get two my point there are two reasons for knuckles's leadership position.

Popular and Boy.

and bonus

" Are we doing anything with you right now"

The first one, the only two other possible candidates were currently by the narratives ( or lack thereof ) dictation not wanting to fight anymore without sonic around and the other was just....gone. So knuckles. And if you thinking of a girl character who may have been in charge, like say amy or rouge the latter would have been a particularly good choice. Not boy. This a game who from my understanding was made by the japan end of ST and they always write the girl characters... a certain way. And if you notice amy in forces is kind of just a whiny nothing, this is in sharp comparison to her very upstart assertive seen in media prior and afterwards. And its something i feel a lot of people skimmed over but its kind of unfortunate. The most she does is just ... worry, or talk shit about knuckles, and then " Ohhh sonic is back " . Just felt like a regression.

So I don't think there any qualifications besides " Popular " "Boy" and " are we doing something with you right now" . And knuckles fit the bill, there is nothing uniquely knuckles's he does in that position because he is , in a way popular yet disposable.

On 2/23/2020 at 1:08 AM, Conquering Storm’s Servant said:

Makes one wonder what problems they had with how Ian wrote Shadow in Archie?

He nailed the character there, and is now forced to flanderize him here in IDW.

I mean if you mean pre-reboot i can see plenty. His character was weird even after penders left , but that was mitigated via the reboot. Post reboot he was a really good, and very game close version of the character. This should be satisfactory. Now it could just be change in direction. But if I am to humor your question. I do have one post reboot idea.

So the thing that finally tipped everyone over on shadow is I think it was issue 19. Shadow a character known for self sacrifice for the greater good, choosing to be spiteful instead. Somewhat reasonably so given the proceedings but to the degree in which to be laughably out of character. My theory on this is that they don't want shadow to look " weak" . In the issue afterward sonic specifically notes how shadow could hold his own more if he was normal, that's... a strange thing to say out loud? Like that's sort of implied considering he's a shambling zombie, but I think the reason is to not make shadow look weak. Like hulk Hogan only loosing if its a disqualification , or when he's pinned , kicking up right after 3 to imply you barely won. Its there to get a character over or to get the perception you want of a character over. And before this now two years ago, people were confused how shadow just bopps a super robot free after sonic and knuckles got their collective asses whipped. Now while I think this is less of qualification because... I just think shadow, blaze and silver are on the more powerful end of sonic folks. I think silver and blaze would have bodied him free. But it plays into the not weak thing.

So how does this connect to archie, shadow was very self sacrificial in Archie to the detriment to his participation. And looking back.... yeah it was kind of a thing. Before the reboot " can't be apart of the plot I was guarding the president " Or " can't be apart of the main plot , doing some weird alien stuff over here " or " can't be apart of the plot... i'm dead ".It seems like they want him in the shit , so to speak. If he goes out of the plot, its looking very " Strong " in their opinion. I think personally the perception of strength is the thing they desire, more so than a specific characterization. Characterization seems to be coming at the cost of it. Things that they were ok with at the time seem " weak " in their current direction

Now that may sound like a very shallow definition of strength in a world where things like steven universe or MLP Gen 4 were hits with children. Yes. That's it yeah. Its a very shallow understanding of what makes a strong character mixed with not understanding what kids even enjoy these days. Its very out of touch and weird and makes me think someone at sega is very confused at the success of the new film because sonic's just kind of dorky kid in that movie trying his best at the start and is a lot less snark in many regards and the idea of a character having an arc being popular with kids was something they had decided wasn't a thing.

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1 hour ago, Almar said:

I don't remember Mr. Tower getting his army wiped out. 

To be fair, Infinite showing up when he did threw everything off. As in doing more of what he was already doing except with more nightmare fuel involved.

1 hour ago, Sonic Fan J said:

Been thinking about the previews, and I actually kind of like how vastly superior Eggman is portrayed at technological prowess than Tails. I mean, it's something that should happen regardless, but the whole angle of making Tails Eggman's rival with his childishness kind has a way of undermining the doc. Yet here we are in the eleventh hour and with nothing to really work with he scrounges up parts from the resistance shuttle and makes a multi portal generator capable of accessing multiple coordinates at once. No lab to work out of or advanced engineering facilities, just what he has on hand and the Warp Topaz. It's nice seeing Eggman's genius in his fields of expertise like this, even if it ultimately meaningless beyond the bare plot necessities.

I just assumed they made it together, but yeah.

11 minutes ago, Kuzu said:

I was about to say that's never been the case, but then I remembered Lost World lol.

For Eggman or Tails?

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Knuckles should've known well what Infinite is capable of and plan accordingly (aka make sure they have a way to counter the Phantom Ruby before doing any mass charges on Eggman's army). He didn't do this and apparently the rest of the Resistance was fine with that.

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3 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

So I don't think there any qualifications besides " Popular " "Boy" and " are we doing something with you right now" . And knuckles fit the bill, there is nothing uniquely knuckles's he does in that position because he is , in a way popular yet disposable.

Aside from wanting to be involved in more head on missions when he has to be the guy people see as responsible leader, anyway.

 

3 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

So how does this connect to archie, shadow was very self sacrificial in Archie to the detriment to his participation. And looking back.... yeah it was kind of a thing. Before the reboot " can't be apart of the plot I was guarding the president " Or " can't be apart of the main plot , doing some weird alien stuff over here " or " can't be apart of the plot... i'm dead ".It seems like they want him in the shit , so to speak. If he goes out of the plot, its looking very " Strong " in their opinion. I think personally the perception of strength is the thing they desire, more so than a specific characterization. Characterization seems to be coming at the cost of it. Things that they were ok with at the time seem " weak " in their current direction

I mean...yeah. He and sometimes Blaze are pretty infallible and overpowered, honestly.

 

3 minutes ago, Almar said:

Knuckles should've known well what Infinite is capable of and plan accordingly (aka make sure they have a way to counter the Phantom Ruby before doing any mass charges on Eggman's army). He didn't do this and apparently the rest of the Resistance was fine with that.

Which is funny, considering Amy normally called him on stuff like that.

I forget, wasn't the idea that Infinite and much of Eggman's Forces(heh) were away because the two Sonic's fucking shit up elsewhere?

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>responsible

But Knuckles in the Gameverse has never been responsible when not dealing with his island (which has no actual full blown communities with houses and towns and etc. whatsoever on it) and giant shiny rock. This doesn't get that much focus nowadays but he's a hermit. I don't know any hermits known for being trusted to command armies.

 

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31 minutes ago, DabigRG said:

To be fair, Infinite showing up when he did threw everything off. As in doing more of what he was already doing except with more nightmare fuel involved.

He still probably should have taken more than a minute to think up battle strategies.

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56 minutes ago, Almar said:

>responsible

But Knuckles in the Gameverse has never been responsible when not dealing with his island (which has no actual full blown communities with houses and towns and etc. whatsoever on it) and giant shiny rock. This doesn't get that much focus nowadays but he's a hermit. I don't know any hermits known for being trusted to command armies.

 

"And that's why Sonic Forces was a mistake."

(There's probably some, but that's besides the point)

42 minutes ago, thumbs13 said:

He still probably should have taken more than a minute to think up battle strategies.

I'd assume they did if they didn't already have some in place before not getting the chance, but yeah.

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On 2/22/2020 at 10:32 PM, Conquering Storm’s Servant said:

I’m really wondering how Sega is gauging the opinions on characters like Shadow to make restrictions, or what measure they make their cases on. They seem to be doing more harm to the character than good compared to others.

I know this is an older post, but I want to address this.

Sega aren't stupid, they know Shadow is a popular character among the Adventure crowd, hence the jokes about it in Boom.

So they slap Shadow into whatever product they're trying to sell to bait people with "look guys, it's Shadow, you like Shadow right? Buy our product to see him" and then characterize him as what they THINK people like about him, rather than who he actually is.

I already went over this, but the public perception of Shadow is that of an angsty, violent edgelord so that's what he is nowadays.

Yes, it is doing detrimental harm to his character, but I don't really think they care so as long as they can make their money off of it. And once this version of Shadow they're trying to push is rejected they'll just come to the wrong conclusion that the character himself is the problem (rather than  the fact that he's become a parody of himself) and just silently push him to the side.

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Are they really making money? At least in the game sector, maybe the film might provide a boom to game sales but if the quality is the way it is now, it will go back down. Like the things that are making money aren't made and for the most part aren't being dictated by them. That's pretty hard to mess up that interpretation. Then again , sega's really good at missing the point and go "Well everything is like the movies now" and just think game sonic isn't viable or something.

Introspection is hard.

It weird because its very clear that like this isn't a situation where they are directly invovled and making hand over fist money. The stuff being made that is , is by other people. You would think they would get the message of " maybe we should let folks do their thing " but ... nope. and i'm not saying everyone should have no restrictions. God no, that's how you end up with penders. But hopefully the film gets them to understand that maybe some forms of creative interpretation is ok. And maybe if your thing is the thing people don't like , maybe its you that doesn't have the right take?

But again , introspection is hard

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Well, as long as we're addressing "older" posts and totally not changing the constant subject of Shadow, wasn't there something about Amy reaching a breaking point after constant efforts to lead the Restoration to safety? Cause I don't remember that happening yet.

If [Spoiler for those who still try to avoid the solicits]

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we're meant to that cover with the Filler Two seriously and the seeemingly irrelevance of the Intergenerational Techniques is any indication,

that would be the time.

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Now that I'm done pretending I wasn't away from this thread for last few hours,

49 minutes ago, Armored CC14 said:

New covers, including a delightful new piece by Jon Gray:

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Lol at Number 1 Hat Knuckles.

Also, noticed Chao(TSR), Burning Blaze, and Eggman sneaking a peak.

 

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Is...is her hair growing or something?

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I love that Big's winning the Shuffle tournament with the fishing rod controller. XD

The what now? :lol: 

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I was gonna say they were playing the shit out of marvel 2. But I saw the screen in the background. I'm usually not the biggest fan of that guys art. I find his work a little...flat. that said that cover is fun

 

Also green hair attack

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1 hour ago, Armored CC14 said:

New covers, including a delightful new piece by Jon Gray:

ZQIhxzG.jpg

FanVpg4.jpg

I love that Big's winning the Shuffle tournament with the fishing rod controller. XD

 

Zeena's hair really got a upgrade in this cover art! And Amy still lacks anything special about her personality.    

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18 minutes ago, Fire-N-Space said:

 

Zeena's hair really got a upgrade in this cover art! And Amy still lacks anything special about her personality.    

Yeah, seriously. If that's what we're looking at.

Whaddya mean? She looks passionate to me.

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