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"We're not afraid to punch an old man." I mean that'd almost be a fair fight then. 😛

I kid. I mean I don't like the Rogues but I don't mean anything against people who do like them.

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3 minutes ago, SBR2 said:

"We're not afraid to punch an old man." I mean that'd almost be a fair fight then. 😛

I kid. I mean I don't like the Rogues but I don't mean anything against people who do like them.

They are the obvious "Who's left" and/or mismatch of these fights.

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I get they don't want Cream involved, because of and despite how much she lost, but sending out only Gemerl isn't really the best move. 

Sonic did say that Zeena's arrogance can help the robot, but still.

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37 minutes ago, Sir Tinstripe said:

I get they don't want Cream involved, because of and despite how much she lost, but sending out only Gemerl isn't really the best move. 

Sonic did say that Zeena's arrogance can help the robot, but still.

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Pretty sure she's going anyway.

Knuckles may or may not be a similar case.

Wonder if we'll get some interaction with Knuckles as a result.

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I really liked this new issue. It was mainly a big preparation issue, with a lot of clifhanger, but it was pretty nice, and they managed to make that "many things happens in parallel" works quite nicely.

My only gripe is

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Seriously couldn't have them see coming that Gemerl could be controled ? Everybody sending up robots to the Zetis seems way to easy to me. I hope we will get some kind of stuff to make that better. Like good drama. Or that Gemerl being careless will make him evolve. Or maybe they counted of the robots being out of range ? But the problem is that it's never adressed... even if I like the idea of Gemerl having to cope with being the cause of Cream failling.

I've got less problem on Zik and the extreme gears, as it was turned in a better way.

 

It annoy me a bit less than with Shadow as it's something they are supposed to overcome, so I know they'll at least partly win.

But except that point, it really did its job to hype the rest of the arc. I think that the way this arc is handled might answer to the common problem of Flynn's 4-issues arcs (especially as the fourth issue might be the "finale" of that, and not a 5-page resolution followed by a 15-page epilogue).

I also liked

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The tiny bit of talk between Sonic and Eggman, especially as it makes more obvious why he gave a chance to Metal : he saw that happens twice with Omega and Gemerl. Eggman seeding a doubt in Sonic was cool too.

 

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Yeah the metal thing makes sense and is story wise far more interesting than focusing on eggman. Infact I kinda wish the morality thing was focused on metal not eggman. Though both of them would have just agreed so I guess I understand why they needed to do someone else. Regardless sonic explaining himself in that scene makes sense and its neat

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I just got Issue 26. I liked it of course. It was very much a set-up and transitional issue, which is fine.

A part of me is a bit worried about how much time we've got left in this arc. I don't know if 4 issues is going to be enough to wrap all this up in a satisfactory manner and if it isn't, I can only hope it's one of Ian's less rushed endings. It's still a problem he has seeing as how the Battle for Angel Island and the Tangle and Whisper arcs played out. Not necessarily bad endings but very quick ones.

I enjoyed the conversation between Sonic and Eggman. They've both got their share of the blame, sure, but the majority of it is on Eggman. It's hard for me to perceive Sonic's initial actions as worthy of all the scrutiny when the reason it backfired was the result of something literally none of them could have reasonably been expected to predict. Even Sonic letting Metal Sonic go didn't do much but excellerate what Dr. Starline was already doing. Still, it's nice seeing Sonic struggling with handling how much of this is being pushed on him.

The situation seems to be a massive time crunch. They need the emeralds so that Sonic can use them to turn Super and use the Warp Topaz to get rid of the virus but they can't do that if he turns into a Zombot. A part of me wondered if Silver would be a viable candidate but then I remembered that they probably don't actually know if he can go Super since the only time he did was in Sonic 06 and that was eradicated from time. 

Yeah, it just hit me. I don't think ANY of the characters, including Silver, know that Silver can go super... huh...

Even then, Sonic definitely knows more about how to use the emeralds then he does either way. If they lose Sonic and they... somehow figure out that Silver is a viable candidate and they... somehow manage to get him to use the emeralds and the Warp Topaz correctly... then it might be a viable back-up plan...? Maybe? Then again, the way Starline was talking about the Warp Topaz, it was already a huge risk on its own but giving it to someone not as experienced with using the emeralds on top of that seems even more reckless and they're literally on their last legs. 

I love the anime battle set-ups we've gotten here. Zomom is dumb but not that dumb. It's almost a little too cartoonish to expect him to believe that Zavok asked Tails and Amy to get the emerald from him. This guy was able to correct Sonic on the number of words he used in Lost World, then smacked him over the head with a sandwich.

I like that Zazz was able to tell Espio was around by sniffing the air around him. Although if Zazz wants to enjoy some bloodsports, he could just have the "fuzzypunks" fight each other and then punish the loser by throwing them to the Zombots. There, I done fixed it for ya. Hahaha~!

I'm extremely interested in seeing how Zor's weird powers are going to be utilized here. Apparently his bio said something about him using dark arts that even the other Zeti don't want anything to do with. Presumably it extends beyond making dark shadow clones and energy bolts. It didn't surprise me that he could break out of Silver's psychokinesis. 

I've always liked Master Zik so it's nice seeing him face off against three people all at once. I'll admit to forgetting that the Rogue's boards were machines so I had a neat little reaction to seeing him using them to slam  their stomachs in and ride one around. It's good stuff.

Mostly just waiting for the action to get in the thick of itself though. 

15 hours ago, Kazhnuz said:

 

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Seriously couldn't have them see coming that Gemerl could be controled ?

 

They did see it coming. Sonic's only line about it was "It's risky" which was supposed to get the point across that he knew what he was risking by sending him after Zeena. I think what happened is that Gemerl ended up being careless because he rushed in after Cream. 

Still, I do think he could have emphasized it a bit more for the readers who might have missed it.

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wow. cream did a bad move there. and yeah, looking forward to a super form like supersonic of course. BUT what about hyper knuckles or tails having a super form? lets wait and c

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This issue was kinda weird and a little disappointing. I honestly had to check the credits afterwards for clarification on the art as well as the writing. The latter had a different, possibly new artist take over partway through, so if you're wondering what was going on with say Master Zik's eyes at the end, that's a factor.

 

 

I'll talk more when I get a better setup sometime later.

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#26... a bit too much setup for me (wasn't last issue for that?). Also, Sonic  already had treadmill in previous issue, continuity is RUINED!

Other than that pretty okay issue

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Sonic banter with Eggman was decent, I'm surprised Flynn managed to squeeze any more argument for this discussion.

As for teams
Amy/Tails... wow, you guys failed badly so far.
Espio didn't do much better, so much for "ninja are cool". But I guess it wasn't his fault.
Silver/Whisper are overkill, I think either of them could take down Zor. They heaviest hitters, sending them together wasn't best tactic.
Cream/Gemerl... is there anything to say? It was suicide move from start and yeah, they could give any panel to point that out.
Babylon Rouges are the fight that most intrigues me. Everyone else will win by outsmarting the stupid Zeti (Silver/Whisper can just overpower Zor), but Emerald Zik seems way out of Jet's league, especially if he can just take their gear (I admit, I didn't saw that one coming).

And of course Rouge will inevitably fail to take down Zavok, so he can fight Sonic & Knuckles on Angel Island (...wasn't that the last season finale?).  I just hope he'll be smart rather than lucky like in #25.

I must admin that Flynn does formidable job with Zeti. They shallow, but Flynn embraced that. I always though they feel like demons/oni or rather "Deadly Sin kid edition" (I mean deadly six/sin, one letter. That had to be on purpose) . So yeah, they bunch of bullies, but dangerous and cruel ones, so don't underestimate them. Ironically Zavok comes worst so far. All he does in this issue is roar angrily, unaware he's being duped by Orbot and Rouge and like I said, in #25 he got lucky. I just hope he'll do better next issue.

One question though: is there any reason why Sonic isn't joining any team (other than this being convenient for the plot). I know he's weak, bu he needs to move anyway, might as well spin dash into Zeti. Some could argue they can't risk losing him, but whole operation is absolute risk, they send Gemerl in one of teams.
.... and if they send Gemerl, why not Metal Sonic as well? At very least Eggman would be less of a threat.

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If we look at the cover of this very issue (and #29), Metal will definitely go into action, one way or another. Yeah, things are looking waaay too quite for Rouge there, don't underestimate Zavok. Also, this is his first appearance where I genuinely disliked him, ok it's just 2 seconds but he seemed possessed by Zazz.

The rest of the Zeti are great! They don't seem like a joke here, in fact they don't make jokes anymore but rather dark one liners, especially Zazz's. With a bit more of interesting basis they could come off as charming, even.

I'm sorry though, but the heroes are acting like dumbasses, not just sending Gemerl and obviously Cream acting out of anger and desperation, but Tails and Amy are terrible liars, Silver is cringy, Jet is... *facepalm*, Espio also uses in usual tactic and underestimates his opponent. Loved the Eggman speech to Sonic, lol, they always peck each other.

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I loved this issue, though some things about it made me cringe. The biggest things being Amy and Tails plan to just lie to Zomom and sending G-Mel to go after Zeena. Seriously, why the fuck would you send a ROBOT to attack someone who has the ability to control machinery?! That makes about as much sense as sending a shark to attack Aquaman.

But other than the heroes stupidity, I really loved the exchange between Sonic and Eggman, and Flynn did a perfect job with the Zeti and showed us why they’re called the deadly six. Can’t wait for the next issue.

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Actually you know what? I haven't read the issue myself (because I'm not catching up until the zombot shit is over, it's so boring), but I have seen the conversation between Sonic and Metal Sonic and it's bullshit. 

-Omega didn't even have a choice in rebelling against Eggman really. He was abandoned as soon as he was made for we don't know how long. He didn't get a chance to act like an Eggman lackey. Sonic should know this by now.

-G-Merl didn't have a choice, he was flat out reprogrammed. Sonic definitely knows this.

Just shut up and admit you fucked up, Sonic.

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I'll be damned, Ian actually made the Deadly Six tolerable. I've compare Mephiles before to the shark in Jaws, it's not exactly the most compelling villain on its own, but it creates interesting situations for our heroes, which is where the focus is (incidentally, most zombie fiction uses the same idea). Ian seems to be taking the Deadly Six more along that route, treating them more like plot devices who show up to cause trouble when rather than laboring under the delusion that they are engaging characters in their own right. Contrast Lost World, which dedicated a not insignificant amount of screen-time to them standing around in a black void acting one-note. Which would be like if Jaws dedicated several minutes of footage to the shark just swimming around.

It also helps that the comic's art-style glosses over a lot of the more out-of-place elements of Deadly Six's designs, like their plasticky textures, flat eyes, and over-exaggerated animations. It also seems willing to tweak the designs to look better in general, such as actually making Zavok look muscular (especially his arms) instead of... vaguely muscular shaped.

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It's a subtle change, but its definitely an improvement over how he looks in the games.

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1 hour ago, Your Vest Friend said:

 

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Actually you know what? I haven't read the issue myself (because I'm not catching up until the zombot shit is over, it's so boring), but I have seen the conversation between Sonic and Metal Sonic and it's bullshit. 

-Omega didn't even have a choice in rebelling against Eggman really. He was abandoned as soon as he was made for we don't know how long. He didn't get a chance to act like an Eggman lackey. Sonic should know this by now.

-G-Merl didn't have a choice, he was flat out reprogrammed. Sonic definitely knows this.

Just shut up and admit you fucked up, Sonic.

 

I think its ironic that with those moral complications and conversations that it ultimately comes off as looking childish and immature, and the actual " adult" answer is kind of bittersweet and sad and simple. The more i think on that back and fourth the more i like it less. the reprogramming thing is particularly poignant actually.

 

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1 hour ago, Your Vest Friend said:

-Omega didn't even have a choice in rebelling against Eggman really. He was abandoned as soon as he was made for we don't know how long. He didn't get a chance to act like an Eggman lackey. Sonic should know this by now.

Omega absolutely could've waited in that room, guarding Shadow, as Eggman presumably intended. He wouldn't have liked it, but, well, that's him making the choice whether to continue following Eggman's orders or to rebel.

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2 hours ago, Your Vest Friend said:

 

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-G-Merl didn't have a choice, he was flat out reprogrammed. Sonic definitely knows this.

 

Was he, though? We all kind of assumed Tails reprogrammed him, but thinking about it... that's never actually been said anywhere. there's no dialogue in the game, and in the flashback when he first appears in the comics, Cream just says they 'fixed' him. It's possible the situation with Gemerl was actually identical to the situation with Metal - that they just fixed him up and gave him a choice... and he chose differently.

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I don't have much to say about this issue since it's mostly a transitional one, but I'll list off my thoughts.

The 1st half of the issue has pretty great art as usual, Knuckles` and Silver's expressions are killing me.

I really liked Sonic laying out the battle plans; he can be thoughtful when he has to slowdown for a bit.

You know, while I understand the reasoning behind it, it is kind of annoying we're doing the whole "cream is too young to fight" plotline again. Fortunately, she told Gemerl to stuff where the sun don't shine. I know they said it was risky, but I still question the logic of sending Gemerl when they could have left him on the Island and have Knuckles go deal with Zeena.

 

Sonic's conversation with Eggman was...fine. I understand it's childish for Sonic to think that way, but Sonic is a simple person with a simple view on morality. The gist is that if Metal didn't willingly go back to Eggman, they wouldn't be in their current situation. Its not particularly complex, but it fits his character. And boy do I love Flynn's Eggman and his of psychological warefare, it's such a treat. 

Zik being able to control the Extreme Gear was a bit of a surprise, but they are machines so I was like "oh, I guess that would make sense". 

 

And man was that art drop significant... 

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1 hour ago, Kuzu said:

I know they said it was risky, but I still question the logic of sending Gemerl when they could have left him on the Island and have Knuckles go deal with Zeena.

Apparently Knuckles didn't consider the option of just...having Gemerl guard the Emerald from Eggboy.

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4 minutes ago, StaticMania said:

Apparently Knuckles didn't consider the option of just...having Gemerl guard the Emerald from Eggboy.

I feel like that was deliberate just so Ian can have Knuckles team up with Sonic to fight Zavok when he inevitably shows up at Angel Island. 

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