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2 hours ago, Bowbowis said:

If you want to talk about remorseless killers in this series, let me remind you that Sonic spent the first half of Black Knight literally trying to assassinate King Arthur. 

He doesn't seem too broken up about it either if you ask me:

 

We know he's evil and Sonic knows he's evil so where would the remorse come in?

I mean technically, all Sonic should know is that he's corrupt by the Scab-bad, but still.

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13 minutes ago, StaticMania said:

We know he's evil and Sonic knows he's evil so where would the remorse come in?

I mean technically, all Sonic should know is that he's corrupt by the Scab-bad, but still.

looks at current morality subplot

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39 minutes ago, StaticMania said:

We know he's evil and Sonic knows he's evil so where would the remorse come in?

I mean technically, all Sonic should know is that he's corrupt by the Scab-bad, but still.

That's the point. Sonic sometimes kills bad guys. Team Dark sometimes kills bad guys. No remorse is involved because the people they're killing are bad guys. The way @Robojerk is describing Team Dark you'd think they were a bunch of serial killers or hitmen, not spys/soldiers/superheroes who sometimes dirty their hands for the greater good.

1 hour ago, Shadowlax said:

There's the jackal situation, but I think you can confidently ignore that. It exists because they needed to explain character disappearances in a bad story in rushed dlc. And considering they are kinda outside of a mobile game, not referencing that game anymore odds are we are never going to see them ever again or hear about them. And if/when shadows personality is fixed, we will double not hear about them. The jackal situation is meta, not narrative

I don't think it's ever clarified what happened to the Jackals other than that Shadow incapacitated them. Which in context could mean he killed them, but could just as easily mean he knocked them out or broke their legs. Regardless, enemy combatants are generally considered fair game from a morality standpoint.

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2 minutes ago, Bowbowis said:

 

I don't think it's ever clarified what happened to the Jackals other than that Shadow incapacitated them. Which in context could mean he killed them, but could just as easily mean he knocked them out or broke their legs. Regardless, enemy combatants are generally considered fair game from a morality standpoint.

Ian flynn says the word is shadow killed em in a podcast

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I suppose it's easier to just consider them dead anyway. They don't reappear (or even appear outside of the prequel comic) and they didn't seem to be treated as important even to Infinite; Shadow defeating them is just the first thing to piss him off, but getting his teeth kicked in hurt him more.

Kind of a shame they and Infinite are off-limits though. He had a cool design and while I think his writing and characterization in Forces was ass, I think he had potential so it was kind of a waste. I think Ian would have come up with some fun ideas to use him.

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12 hours ago, DabigRG said:

Rouge isn't a killer. And Omega has almost always aimed his violence at Eggman's robots exclusively.

Killer robot who threatens organic and refers to targets as meatbags isnt a killer.(sarcasm)

Rouge has not killed anyone personally doesnt mean she doesnt encourage.

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1 hour ago, Robojerk said:

Killer robot who threatens organic and refers to targets as meatbags isnt a killer.(sarcasm)

Rouge has not killed anyone personally doesnt mean she doesnt encourage.

I wasn't aware Rouge was a robot.

Also

 

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1 hour ago, Robojerk said:

Killer robot who threatens organic and refers to targets as meatbags isnt a killer.(sarcasm)

Rouge has not killed anyone personally doesnt mean she doesnt encourage.

Yes. Just like the A-Team never shot anything alive in all those shootouts, Omega won't even shoot Eggman if there are more important things going on.

Having the ability to kill doesn't mean you kill all the time, I thought we learned this after all those Dark endings in Shadow's game.

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1 hour ago, Wraith said:

If they didn't kill anyone on-screen it didn't happen. 

That's what I don't get about this discussion. Outside of the Evil Endings in Shadow the Hedgehog no Team Dark member has ever been shown killing. 

I guess you can use the IDW comic as an example of Shadow being willing to but after rereading that arc recently I couldn't help but notice once he was convinced Mr. Tinker was a different person than Eggman Shadow gave up on trying to kill him and Rouge clearly didn't want him to since she contacted the Chaotix to tip them off and help prove his memory loss was legit. 

And even then Shadow's reasoning isn't because he's a killer by nature but he saw Eggman crossing the line and decided it was time to put him down.  

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2 hours ago, Wraith said:

If they didn't kill anyone on-screen it didn't happen. 

It's actually the opposite logic here. If it happens off-screen, it likely means they are dead. In general, I wouldn't say that. But for a kid friendly franchise, it seems to me as an expedient to kill off characters without showing blood or violent stuff for kids.

See, in IDW: The Diamond Cutters.

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10 minutes ago, Jack at the Cinema said:

It's actually the opposite logic here. If it happens off-screen, it likely means they are dead. In general, I wouldn't say that. But for a kid friendly franchise, it seems to me as an expedient to kill off characters without showing blood or violent stuff for kids.

See, in IDW: The Diamond Cutters.

The details of their deaths weren't literally shown but the story confirms that they died. 

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34 minutes ago, Almar said:

Honestly, how do we know that in the gameverse proper (not the comics at all) that anyone in Team Sonic is notably against using lethal force on things that aren't robots?

Sonic was fine with killing King Arthur. They don't go out of their way to kill anyone, it just happens.  Another thing to note is that literally everybody let Metal Sonic and Eggman get away at the end of Heroes, so even robots are safe sometimes.

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44 minutes ago, Almar said:

Honestly, how do we know that in the gameverse proper (not the comics at all) that anyone in Team Sonic is notably against using lethal force on things that aren't robots?

Sonic has done things that could kill Eggman plenty of times and tells Shadow to smash up the Black Spawn.

And everyone assumed Knuckles literally ripped Chaos 6 apart.

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Ok, first basic rule: killing Black Arms, Eggman Robots, Dark Gaia Monsters or even attempting to kill Mephiles doesn't count as killing. They are monsters, even if they have mind and Sega writer pretty please ask that you don't think about this too long. Otherwise even Charmy killed in his live.

Cool? Let's move on.

In Sonic Heroes Omega wants to kill Eggman and we know from Shadow-Game "What If" scenarios that Omega would finish the job if given opportunity. And if he's okay with killing Eggman, he would probably have little problem with killing other 'bad guys'. I could buy he mellowed down in last few games (even if he doesn't want to admit it) but there is no evidence to think that.

Rouge never killed and there was no indication in that territory (other that assumption "Well government black ops have to kill, right"? No, this is Sonic, where missile to the face means large headache. Rules are slightly different.)
With that said, she was okay with Omega killing Eggman in Heroes, but tried to stop Shadow in IDW. Problem is, in first scenario they never got to Eggman and in latter she was defending "Mr Tinker". Then again, she never tried to kill Eggman in SA2 and she  certainly had opportunities. So we can't be sure, but I say she's against killing and avoids it, but if there was no other way, she would allow it or even do it herself. After all there is biggest problem...

Shadow was willing to kill so many at starts. Then he had amnesia, so in that state he was willing to get his hands dirty. Once he got his memory he wanted to kill Emerl (robot, so maybe doesn't count). And in IDW he's definitely ready to kill if pushed to limits (he never tried to kill Eggman in (canonical) past, but that was BEFORE he conquered the world, almost murdered hundreds and used Shadow's clone to hurt people).  So while none of this is definitive proof, I think there is enough evidence to say Shadow is definitely willing to kill, only question is if  he DID kill someone?
And only mobian/human example that Shadow might killed is Jackal Squad (and that was under Rouge supervision). I'm with Flynn with this one: I suspect Shadow killed as that makes more sense, but Sega very deliberately used wishy-washy phrasing to keep it vague and open to interpretation, so no one can accuse them of dark edgy writing.

With all that said, keep in mind this is Sonic, not Sin City and just because they CAN kill doesn't mean they do that often. Even if Omega got into fight with Fang and his Hooligans, I suspect he might spare their lives. Maybe.

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New solicits with two new connecting Tracy covers!

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StH #31

(W) Ian Flynn (A) Jack Lawrence (CA) Tracy Yardley

It's all led to this… the thrilling two-part epilogue to the Metal Virus Saga. The world has changed. Heroes and villains plan for the future as reconstruction begins. But one hero remains missing…
In Shops: Jun 10, 2020

StH #32

(W) Ian Flynn (A) Adam Bryce Thomas (CA) Tracy Yardley

The second half of the Metal Virus Saga epilogue. With all the chaos of the recent past still fresh in everyone's minds, Dr. Eggman launches a new assault-determined to take down his enemies once and for all.
In Shops: Jun 24, 2020

Looks like Eggy might be taking advantage of Omega's present handicap.

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