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24 minutes ago, Jack at Home said:

Wait. If Sega encourages them to be a different universe and not follow the games directly, I wish they would give them more freedom, things like Sticks and cartoon characters, lore and mithology, no plotholes, planet names, Shadow acting like a person, more development in general, Silver's time travel explained. It's little things but they would make the book even more perfect.

It's a different universe that still represents the characters from the games, with a tighter more vigilant watch than ever.

It may also worth noting that he cited Boom and SatAM when talking about alternate universe ideas that are unlikely.

And honestly, stuff like Silver and other planets haven't really been relevant.

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I'm listening to the podcasts too... apparently Marine got rejected too for a pitch. What the... I thought they were okay with letting IDW use her since she appeared in issue 24's cover. I really don't get SEGA.

So it's not just Sticks, huh? No idea what's up here, if they are off limits forever, what the reason is, apparently Ian has no clue either, lol. Just... WHAT. He thinks it's just for now though. For both Sticks and Marine.

Also he implies saying the pitch for Marine's storyline would spoil a future storyline, maybe we are going to Blaze's World (whatever the name is now).

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8 minutes ago, Jack at Home said:

I'm listening to the podcasts too... apparently Marine got rejected too for a pitch. What the... I thought they were okay with letting IDW use her since she appeared in issue 24's cover. I really don't get SEGA.

So it's not just Sticks, huh? No idea what's up here, if they are off limits forever, what the reason is, apparently Ian has no clue either, lol. Just... WHAT. He thinks it's just for now though. For both Sticks and Marine.

Also he implies saying the pitch for Marine's storyline would spoil a future storyline, maybe we are going to Blaze's World (whatever the name is now).

Sounds like an older episode, but yeah, he tried to sneak at least a nod in to her.

Sticks is definitely a case of SonicTeam just not being down for a particular pitch being turned down involving certain characters. 

The Hooligans, and Mighty and Ray were also things he understood as okay to eventually use early, but they've since been turned down due to the Classic segregation andorll whatever the deciding factor is that day.

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9 minutes ago, DabigRG said:

Sounds like an older episode, but yeah, he tried to sneak at least a nod in to her.

Sticks is definitely a case of SonicTeam just not being down for a particular pitch being turned down involving certain characters. 

The Hooligans, and Mighty and Ray were also things he understood as okay to eventually use early, but they've since been turned down due to the Classic segregation andorll whatever the deciding factor is that day.

I have my reservations on this, because on one hand, they want to forget about Boom, and Sticks is nowhere to be seen in the games right now. Maybe she's just forgotten into a "very minor role" now?

Or, she's off-limits and dead, Ian Flynn doesn't think it's the case.

Then Sonic Olympics mobile happens and Sticks is one of the stock names in it. Don't give me hope...

I just assumed last year that she would appear in the Zombot apocalypse because that would have made a lot of sense. That's why I assumed later she is off-limits, because her best chance for a plot got turned down.

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1 hour ago, Jack at Home said:

I just assumed last year that she would appear in the Zombot apocalypse because that would have made a lot of sense. That's why I assumed later she is off-limits, because her best chance for a plot got turned down.

If anything, Sticks would have saw it coming from a mile away and was already prepared and is going into full survival mode offscreen somewhere.

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2 hours ago, VisionaryofSUPER said:

@Polkadi~☆ or @KoDaiko Could one of you guys translate the panel which changed the speech bubble, and maybe provide some insight as to why the translator would shrink it down? Is the phrase just that simple that it would take up too little space?

  Whoops, I didn't know there were more images on that instagram link.  You're talking about the Sonic & Tails one right?

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ENG:
Sonic: "Seriously though, thanks for the save."
Tails: "My pleasure!"

JP:
Sonic: "Thanks (for the save) Tails!"
Tails: "You're welcome!"

...I'm guessing the text was shortened to match the characters. Sonic isn't that wordy and usually keeps it brief. Tails' line is pretty much the same in both language, but the speech bubble is longer because どういたしまして is one word.

The Japanese text looks slightly bigger (unless my eyes are tricking me) and the leading is wider, most likely for legibility. Also Japanese may be able to write more with fewer characters (using kanji), but they also want to keep the nuance and meaning accurate to the original. 

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4 hours ago, VisionaryofSUPER said:

@Polkadi~☆ or @KoDaiko Could one of you guys translate the panel which changed the speech bubble, and maybe provide some insight as to why the translator would shrink it down? Is the phrase just that simple that it would take up too little space?

Almost a direct translation, so yes, it’s just that simple that it would take up too little space.

Even though it’s a pretty direct translation, it’s a little weird to translate back without turning it exactly into the original dialogue. Only thing is that Sonic doesn’t mention anything about "on a serious note" in the translation.

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19 minutes ago, Polkadi~☆ said:

Almost a direct translation, so yes, it’s just that simple that it would take up too little space.

Even though it’s a pretty direct translation, it’s a little weird to translate back without turning it exactly into the original dialogue. Only thing is that Sonic doesn’t mention anything about "on a serious note" in the translation.

Yeah, it was more of my personal interpretation.

There are multiple ways to say you're welcome in Japanese too, just like English (no problem, happy to help, my pleasure, anytime, etc.). While all can be translated as the same thing, the default for どういたしまして=you're welcome.   JP Tails feels like the type who says "you're welcome" rather than "my pleasure".

I may have mixed up "my pleasure" & "with pleasure" (喜んで) too.

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57 minutes ago, VisionaryofSUPER said:

I'm learning very interesting tidbits about Japanese today. Hoping you guys can get these copies eventually and provide us more of these little tidbits. They're back on Amazon JP now.

Only problem is they’re unable to ship to certain locations.

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50 minutes ago, VisionaryofSUPER said:

I'm learning very interesting tidbits about Japanese today. Hoping you guys can get these copies eventually and provide us more of these little tidbits. They're back on Amazon JP now.

Hmmmm I'll def. look into it...sucks that it doesn't want to ship to here, and even if I use a buying service the virus is messing with the shipping cost/time.

Hopefully one day.

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2 hours ago, VisionaryofSUPER said:

I'm learning very interesting tidbits about Japanese today. Hoping you guys can get these copies eventually and provide us more of these little tidbits. They're back on Amazon JP now.

Hey, I'm learning little tidbits too. My Japanese is very basic and elementary level, and I only really know how to speak politely. While I know casual form when I see it, I struggle understanding it as I'm still very new to speaking casual Japanese.

There's a shop in my country that sells the book, as I'm sure I said a few pages back, but it's ridiculously expensive. I'd have to find another way.

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IDW put out a press release for their revised direct market schedule for the rest of the Summer.

Sonic-relevant dates:

May 27: Tangle & Whisper Trade

June 24th: StH #28 and StH V6: The Last Minute

July 8th: 2020 Annual

July 22nd: StH #29

August 5th: StH #30

August 12th: StH Volume 1 Spanish Edition

August 19th: StH #31

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14 hours ago, Eurisko said:

As the comics are delayed I think I'm gonna have a re-read of them all. 

Yeah I’ll be doing that a few days before the next issue releases. I was really into it at the last issue but I’ve fallen out of the story momentum since the delays.

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On 5/26/2020 at 3:16 PM, Superstar Introvert CC14 said:

IDW put out a press release for their revised direct market schedule for the rest of the Summer.

Sonic-relevant dates:

May 27: Tangle & Whisper Trade

June 24th: StH #28 and StH V6: The Last Minute

July 8th: 2020 Annual

July 22nd: StH #29

August 5th: StH #30

August 12th: StH Volume 1 Spanish Edition

August 19th: StH #31

FYI, issue #32 is due on September 2nd. So the Metal Virus saga is set to end at the end of Summer.

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Since there's quite of bit of discussion on Amy(again) going on at the moment, I thought I'd bring some of here

16 hours ago, E-122-Psi said:

I think the thing about Amy however is that she was an 'everygirl' originally, not in personality, but in role. She was the normal one most in touch with the public world. This is why Team Rose fit together I suppose since they were all characters who had simple lives and joined the heroic actions for character motivated reasons, not to be part of the unit. That's where she is meant to be different from Sally in a key way since Sally is the opposite, being royalty and very formal and professional, though succumbing to personal emotions when faced with very pragmatic decisions. Amy doesn't even have that weakness right now. She just does not fit the all business routine, she was always a normal little girl that had to force herself into the mix through her own passion.

 

3 hours ago, Kaotic Kanine said:

 

Can't believe I never consciously realized that until you brought it up 😅 But this is definitely my biggest contention with IDW!Amy, in addition to the lack of her hyperactive and bubbly behavior. Amy is supposed to be a girl who lived a mundane life and, out of boredom and wanting to be alongside her beloved Sonic, tries to transition herself into a life of adventure. She's better suited as a recurring character (albeit a main or major one) having adventures of her own on the side and doing small-scale heroics so as to eventually catch up with Sonic in that regard (but of course still not hesitating to tag along with Sonic if she could). If she has to lead a group, which is a solid development for her, it has to be a small, rag-tag group comprised of individuals with similar background and experience to her (such as a certain young rabbit). Amy being in charge of a large-scale organization/army and leading it like a highly organized tactician... Is jarring. 

 

I still think Amy can still be essential to the Resistance/Restoration without abandoning her passion, namely by being a front-line fighter and keeping morale high with her spirited charm. Not by being a planner, which was never her forte. Rouge, having been established since the beginning as a government agent and high-class thief, is better suited as a planner (albeit maybe not commanding masses, but still). 

But fair enough about the situations forcing Amy to adapt for the sake of it. I suppose I'll withhold further criticisms until the Metal Virus Saga is well and truly over, and then see how Amy is characterized when she's not forced to lead the Resistance/Restoration. 

 

3 hours ago, E-122-Psi said:

Again this is why I'm not big on nearly all the comics enforcing this 'resistance group' approach where pretty much everyone HAS to band together into a professional unit. It kinda puts everyone on automation and downplays the potential for more character driven adventures and plot pivots.

SatAm and the earlier Archie issues kinda made it work for the most part because this unit was a rag tag group themselves and there felt like a lot of times they were kinda working against their own impulses and inexperience to maintain a professional regiment about it (even Sally had a couple odd  delusions of grandeur about adventuring like with the Freedom Stormer) but as the Freedom Fighter occupation became more global scale and elaborate, things became tighter and mission driven to a fault.

 

 

See this is why I felt we needed both (spoilering this like it still matters for consistency)

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a Geoffrey or Nicole type character, ergo one that is contrastingly more cynical/realistic, professional and/or experienced despite still being of comparatively lower rank than Amy

On 9/1/2019 at 2:41 AM, MetalSkulkBane said:

My suggestion: give Amy second-in-command to give face to Restoration. Later that character would take over when we get bored with leader-Amy concept.

On 9/1/2019 at 6:14 PM, DabigRG said:

Ah yes, that's an excellent idea. That could go hand in hand with having another Geoffrey/Hershey even.

 (There's a longer post I did somewhere that also developed this a bit, but I'm struggling to find it).

 and at least ministories like backups or annual segments featuring the Restoration before things went down with the Virus. It would've given us an idea of both what they were normally doing for the world and offered opportunities for Amy's personality to be spotlighted in tandem so that we have both a reference point and some fleshing out for them interdependently.
I kinda falls back on an underlying aspect of the "No Worldbuilding" criticism people had towards the IDW comic during it's first two years: it's not so much that we needed characters & locations to be introduced to so we have preestablished investment(although that certainly helps and has helped a little in places), but that we needed a status quo & time of decent health for the cast to feel at home at so that when Starline and Eggman cause the Pandemic, both us as veterans and others as objective newcomers would have things that would be compromised and changed because of it.

  • We'd have seen an Amy who is like the Ultimate Good Samaratin being a representative of a charitable organization and an encouraging voice for others,
  • We'd have seen a quirky Chaotix who does small time cases with plenty talent & little luck suddenly leading an evacuation where their professionalism about helping the little guy is put to the test,
  • We'd have seen how people like Tails initially acclimate to a world where Eggman is no longer a thing(if we didn't in that one issue anyway).

Among other things.

It also brings to mind how this was supposed to be happening after Issue 300 of the Archie Reboot, which would've had a lot of character establishment, worldbuilding, and other fun asides already having taken place, but that's another matter for another time.

EDIT: While looking through old posts, I came across this factoid again

On 9/22/2019 at 8:01 PM, DabigRG said:

Anyone else remember Starline's supposed accomplices whose debuts got delayed for whatever reason?

 

On 9/22/2019 at 8:06 PM, DabigRG said:

 

Anyway, iirc there were supposed to be two other characters who were working with Starline, complete with special game inspired ability between the three of them, that ended up being pushed back because of changes to the plot or story order. 

I bring it up because I literally just remembered them while thinking in the new thread.

So now I'm thinking the Villains Miniseries will involve introducing or maybe even finding them.

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5 hours ago, DabigRG said:

So now I'm thinking the Villains Miniseries will involve introducing or maybe even finding them.

Not sure if anyone has asked this yet, but considering that we've seen a good bit of Dr. Starline it seems like it is worth asking. 

What "game inspired" ability could a trio of villains including Starline have in common? (or complementary powers that would make them an obvious team).

Starline's warp topaz doesn't strike me as all too "game inspired"... its comic inspired if anything. Unless you want to count it as a riff on the Chaos Emeralds, and the next two cronies will each have their own unique gemstone of power... 

What goes with Warping? 

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1 minute ago, Sega DogTagz said:

Not sure if anyone has asked this yet, but considering that we've seen a good bit of Dr. Starline it seems like it is worth asking. 

What "game inspired" ability could a trio of villains including Starline have in common? (or complementary powers that would make them an obvious team).

Starline's warp topaz doesn't strike me as all too "game inspired"... its comic inspired if anything. Unless you want to count it as a riff on the Chaos Emeralds, and the next two cronies will each have their own unique gemstone of power... 

What goes with Warping? 

I'd been trying to figure that out on and off.

The Warp Topaz obviously allows teleportation when precisely controlled by Starline's glove, while also having the potential to mess with matter or reality itself is not taken care of.  

Perhaps if the Emeralds and other gemstones are indeed a consistent basis to go off of, perhaps the other time can influence Time and Energy.

Maybe the aspects that make up Chaos Control in its various uses?

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On 5/28/2020 at 9:25 AM, caitash said:

Yeah I’ll be doing that a few days before the next issue releases. I was really into it at the last issue but I’ve fallen out of the story momentum since the delays.

Agreed , I picked up 27 when it arrived and I was like........ hang on, what happened last time again? I deffo need a re-cap

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