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3 hours ago, Johnny Boy said:

Anyone hoping that the Hard Boiled heavies make an appearance in this new series? It would especially be fun to have them interact with Orbot and Cubot.

No thanks, I prefer villains with depth and/or fear factor instead.

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8 minutes ago, Miragnarok said:

No thanks, I prefer villains with depth and/or fear factor instead.

Yes, because Ian would totally not give them identifiable personalities and make them intimidating. I understand not liking them, but just because they were made like that in mania doesn't mean they'll be the same characters in a comic that focuses on story and characters.

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Exactly, i can see Heavy King being a menacing character (maybe 'cause i find his design kind of similar to SatAM Robotnik's face) and Heavy Shinobi talking about patience and waiting for the right time to strike, the Heavies can be made into very interesting characters personality-wise.

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Or they first get smashed and Eggman makes some upgrades.

Oh, plot developed! Or something.

But then again, I'm sure Mr. Flynn would come up with like ~10 options what to do with them at least. It's mostly about what they can pull trough, more than what the writers can come up with. Writers as in I find it pretty possible there'd be others writing scripts too, not just Mr. Confirmed Already.

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Hard Boiled Heavies... In the comic universe they were made in their transformed states, so the Phantom Ruby stuff doesn't exist for them, thus they don't go insane. Before the E-Series started production, these Egg Robos were the Elite force of Eggman's army, commanding different territories in the ongoing quest for Eggman's rule.

Simple backstory, and though it might seem a bit weak to start off with their destruction, each could be placed in a specific arc suited to their appearance that ends with their defeat, but drives the story for Eggman to build the E-Series in the next set of story arcs. Obviously the last arc would feature Heavy King defending Eggman's current base of operations.

So, start with the introduction of the world and characters. Get a feeling for what the narrative dynamic will be for the series as a whole. Arc 1.
Bring in the first heavy as Sonic and co. defend against an attack. Each attack and each part of the world will be different. Arcs 2-5.
Sonic and co. learn of where Eggman is currently based, and drive him off, defeating Heavy King in the process. Arc 6.

Or, lump them all together in the introduction arc as Sonic and Tails storm an Eggman base.

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Characters I would love to see explored in the comic... Zavok and the Deadly Six under Ian and other competent writers' pen, Omega with his hilarious personality, Infinite which is cool since he already has an original backstory, Tikal and Chaos hopefully a bit more recurring this time, Sticks in the main universe (I can dream), and absolutely the Babylon Rogues, who were neglected in the Nu252 series.

The Hooligans and Hard Boiled Heavies, since they were in Sonic Mania, I suspect will be restricted to the "classic universe", that's just my assumption. I'd be kinda sad to see Nack, Bean and Bark only there, but to be fair, the "classic universe" does need a bigger cast than just Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Dr. Eggman and Metal Sonic.

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On 12/17/2017 at 4:01 AM, Dr. Jack said:

Characters I would love to see explored in the comic... Zavok and the Deadly Six under Ian and other competent writers' pen, Omega with his hilarious personality, Infinite which is cool since he already has an original backstory, Tikal and Chaos hopefully a bit more recurring this time, Sticks in the main universe (I can dream), and absolutely the Babylon Rogues, who were neglected in the Nu252 series.

The Hooligans and Hard Boiled Heavies, since they were in Sonic Mania, I suspect will be restricted to the "classic universe", that's just my assumption. I'd be kinda sad to see Nack, Bean and Bark only there, but to be fair, the "classic universe" does need a bigger cast than just Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Dr. Eggman and Metal Sonic.

Thing is, there is no "classic universe." It's going to be under one universe and continuity, IIRC.

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2 hours ago, Razule said:

Has that been confirmed?

On the same day that Ian Flynn was announced as the lead writer, yes.

This comic is confirmed as strictly Modern Sonic. Although that's doesn't necessarily mean that the Hard Boiled Heavies can't play a part, since it was also confirmed that this comic can use any and all material from the games, possibly including non-canon games like Chronicles. Whether they do is up in the air tho.

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- They said the comic is mostly Modern Sonic, but bits of Classic Sonic and Boom Sonic will be seen.

- The "classic universe" is a thing since Forces and Mania, the comic is based on the games so yeah, they will be respecting that.

But still, it's possible we may see the Hard Boiled Heavies and the Hooligans in the modern universe as well.

 

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2 minutes ago, Shaddy the Zaphod said:

Or IDW actually knows what they're doing and could stomp out Penders if he tried any shit.

There's that too. Didn't he try suing them for reprints of the Star Trek comics?

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1 minute ago, Shaddy the Zaphod said:

I can't find any source on a lawsuit involving the star trek comics, only that he worked on them.

I remember him tweeting about IDW owing him money, but I may have been mistaken with the suing part.

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The Hooligans were not in Sonic Mania. That was Heavy Magician pretending to be them. Personally, I am hoping against hope that The Hooligans don't show up in the comic, but Bean, Bark and Nack do. 

By which I mean I want Bean and Bark to be good guys like they're supposed to be in the actual games. It probably won't happen because Ian is writting them, but since that was a mistake caused by him not having a translated copy of their StF bios handy (or so I heard), I can at least hope he might fix it. Bean can still be loony and break the fourth wall so long as he's not Duckpool anymore.

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I wonder if Ian's gonna keep using the name "Hooligan" because that was something they made up at Archie. To Archie readers Bean Bark and Nack are "the villainous Hooligans" but for other people they are considered "the obscure trio that appeared in (Sonic) Fighters".

1 hour ago, dylan tix said:

By which I mean I want Bean and Bark to be good guys like they're supposed to be in the actual games. 

I mean Sonic Team kind of adopted Bean and Bark as bad guys into the recent games via cameo wanted posters. Unless that doesn't count.

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1 hour ago, KoDaiko said:
2 hours ago, dylan tix said:

 

I mean Sonic Team kind of adopted Bean and Bark as bad guys into the recent games via cameo wanted posters. Unless that doesn't count.

Eh, each time those happened weren't even Sonic Team.

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2 hours ago, dylan tix said:

The Hooligans were not in Sonic Mania. That was Heavy Magician pretending to be them. Personally, I am hoping against hope that The Hooligans don't show up in the comic, but Bean, Bark and Nack do. 

By which I mean I want Bean and Bark to be good guys like they're supposed to be in the actual games. It probably won't happen because Ian is writting them, but since that was a mistake caused by him not having a translated copy of their StF bios handy (or so I heard), I can at least hope he might fix it. Bean can still be loony and break the fourth wall so long as he's not Duckpool anymore.

And we can make Bean a woodpecker too, right? 

 

And anyone up for a Fleetway/early Archie serious threat Nack?

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5 hours ago, Miragnarok said:

And anyone up for a Fleetway/early Archie serious threat Nack?

Well, I suppose. It wouldn't hurt me, it could be nice for a change.

Though it was funny to see Knux being able to keep his cool and whack him all over the place in that contest.

About Bean and Bark, they were doing nasty stuff but wasn't it mostly because they got paid thus it was kind of their job? In few occasions I got the feeling they weren't really questioning about whether or not they were doing stuff for the bad or the good guys as long as there was something in for them. I mean, it's not a good thing but I dunno if I'd call them straight villains even when they were used in the bad guys front more. For me they were pretty much not villains nor heroes. And maybe that's the thing that annoys people most about the Archie version - them not being heroes I mean - but I don't find it too bad really.

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