How Evil Do You Want Eggman to Be in Sonic Forces?

[Whatever the WhoCares]

1 hour ago, Dr. Mechano said:

Yeah, that's fine. Killing some disposable resistance redshirts is acceptable. Killing obedient civilians just for kicks isn't.

Exactly. Or maybe he sees a certain area as an important point for his operations. He'd be the type to glass it to make way for himself. 

[Osmium]

He's supposed to do "evil" and dangerous shit while having the most fun and enjoying himself the fullest possible during it. So basically what he's been the past few years (except Boom obviously, that version of Eggman is the largest pushover we have ever seen and is barely a villain at all). And by "evil" we mean things that support his plans full stop which are always ego-driven, he doesn't kill people or blow shit up because "for teh evil lulz". 

[Plasme]

Since everyone spammed up my own thread, I'll have to bring my thoughts in here.

I hope Eggman is really villanous, it would fit with Infinite and the dark tone they are going for.

[A super No.1 washedupgamer]

I know it wont happen, but i like adventure 2 tier evil eggman. 

Remember when he tricked sonic into that capsule that exploded into space?

That...shit...was....tense.

Had to throw that in there for emphasis.

That was very no-nonsense of eggman there. Just think, if he really killed sonic, he takes over the world, then What? Where is his challenge?

Also my favorite line: " Away! Before I make mincemeat out of you!

[Plasme]

Yeah, Eggman didn't mess around in Adventure 2, even though he had his funny moments. But then Adventure 2 was a fucking amazing game with a great story, if Forces is half that good it'll be an amazing game.

[Sega DogTagz]

2 hours ago, Meta77 said:

Sonic Adventure: He tries to bomb a city for losing and unleasehes a water god that floods a entire city possibly killing hundreds

LOL what tiny city are you thinking of?

If a Perfect Chaos were to pop up in a downtown urban area and do what he did, the death toll on a single street would be in the hundreds, let alone a whole city.

SA1 kind of dances around it, but the death toll for that kind of event should have been north of a million. EASY.

 

2 hours ago, Blue Blood said:

 As for bombing Station Square, it was one cartoon missile so that he could build Robotnikland.

So we should overlook the full on Genocide that missile would have caused because it was a cartoon? Does it not count because someone painted a smiley face on the warhead?

The guy attempted to nuke downtown Station Square. Cartoon or not, that is a horrifying proposition no matter how it is presented.

[Multikaris]

2 hours ago, Meta77 said:

Sonic Adventure: He tries to bomb a city for losing and unleasehes a water god that floods a entire city possibly killing hundreds

SA2: He blows up a island with people on it and blows up half the moons just to prove he can do it

Unleashed: Blows the earth into pieces, creating global destruction and loses his cool when fighting sonic in the egg dragoon enough so that even sonic calls him out for losing it

06: bombs a entire festival just to ask for one of the emeralds

chronicles: blows sonic and the gang out of the sky after taking over the world

Eggman was goofy to some extent in some of those games but not overly silly. Yea he likes to show his face off on statues but hes not above offing someone if he has to. Having a short temper is not a threat. Acting on those impulses is what makes someone a threat. If a short temper was enough to consider someone a threat id be calling the police everyday to check out my coworker yelling in his cubical.

I don't count Unleashed due to them not going over the damage, unlike in the Archie comic. But you forgot Sonic 2 8-bit's bad ending, with him murdering the four-year-old tails out of a petty vendetta against Sonic.

[Heckboy]

I wouldn't really mind if, since he's taken over the world, he's sliiiiightly more serious than usual, but I really don't want him made into a PURE EVIL SO DARK villain who murders everyone. Just because he's finally achieved his goal of world domination doesn't mean he should have all the humor and fun sucked out of his character.

He's always been an egotist, so I'd really like to see some things similar to the ideas mentioned earlier -- like having him build huge monuments to himself, holding parades in his honor, plastering his face on everything, having Egg Pawns patrol the streets, etc. It'd be super boring if all he did in the game was burn some cities and build some factories. Come on, it's a game where Eggman's finally conquered the world. Take it seriously enough, but have fun with it.

 

then again I haven't been impressed with anything ive seen of forces so i don't have high hopes grumble grumble

[darkfist_flames]

 If he got something like this, then he's truly evil.

 

[Mogul]

I liked where he was in Sonic Adventure 2. He clearly wasn't messing around and he legitimately thought he killed Sonic, but at the same time he had his comedic moments (one of my favorite instances of this is when he scratches his butt while he watches the news in his pyramid.)

[Mick]

As evil as Sonic Team wants him to be.  That's pretty much it.

[Blue Blood]

8 hours ago, Sega DogTagz said:

So we should overlook the full on Genocide that missile would have caused because it was a cartoon? Does it not count because someone painted a smiley face on the warhead?

The guy attempted to nuke downtown Station Square. Cartoon or not, that is a horrifying proposition no matter how it is presented.

You're right, but I just feel that the game strongly played down Eggman's intentions. And the fact that (in true goofy evil villain style) his most "deadly" plan didn't even get off the ground helps. It was presented in a way that is pretty casual. It all happened after he thought Chairs was defeated, the Egg Carrier crashed and he lost the Emeralds, making the entire thing his last minute act of desperation.

The presentation of threats really is key. I was very on board with Forces to begin with, primarily because the Death Egg Robots were the ones that were levelling the city (which is adorned with GHZ terrain and cuboid trees). This was a nice reminder that Eggman was the villain at work and that we were still looking at a Sonic game that isn't forgetting it's light-hearted and whimsical roots. The more I'm seeing of it now and the more the tone really seems to be wanting to double-down on this war and resistance theme. It doesn't work, and it's just massively clashing with itself.

[Mark1]

Not completely psychotic, he needs his comedic moments. Like Unleashed onwards.

Be interesting to see how he'd be pulled off in a world similar to Forces - would love to see more of his crazier ambitions evoked via his humorous side.

[Roger_van_der_weide]

I just want him to completely drop any kind of self awareness.
I hate Eggman with Self Awareness.

He should be completely delusional and in love with himself. Everytime he's talking about how Sonic always defeats him or lets his own robots talk trash talk him, I cringe.
Make him goofy as hell, that's great. Make him the biggest craziest clown in the universe, fine. Great. But don't give him self awareness.
People who name all their properties after themselves and put their giant smiling face on top of everything have no self awareness or doubts. Just boundless energy to chase after their mad dreams.
I want overgrown man-child Eggman, not self depricating Dad joking about his mid-life crisis Eggman.

As for how evil, I learned I don't really care.
He barely does anything really evil in Mania, outside of typical "send robots to fight Sonic.". But he worked fine for me. He acted the part, that's all that matters.
And they assigned all kinds of super evil deeds to him in Colors, but as soon as he's onscreen making jokes at his own expense, his evil deeds lose all their bite.


...Also I realize I tend to make whatever Eggman's robots are doing part of Eggman's entire being in a game. So even when he has little screentime, the boobytraps or enemies he sets for Sonic still add to his personality. Hence why "Hard boiled heavy shooting a bazooka while chasing the heroes in a helicopter" can add to Eggman's impact even if he's not directly involved, just like how " Giant Robot fish is bored and does nothing while Sonic goes on a 20 minute comedy routine about pizza's" can take away from Eggman.

[Blue Blood]

21 minutes ago, Roger_van_der_weide said:

I just want him to completely drop any kind of self awareness.
I hate Eggman with Self Awareness.

He should be completely delusional and in love with himself. Everytime he's talking about how Sonic always defeats him or lets his own robots talk trash talk him, I cringe.
Make him goofy as hell, that's great. Make him the biggest craziest clown in the universe, fine. Great. But don't give him self awareness.

I'll agree with the self-awareness somewhat, but I absolutely loved SA-55 acting as his incredibly sassy foil in Unleashed. He brought out the absolute best in Eggman. I could do without Orbot and Cubot in the subsequent games though. They work much better with Boom Eggman (who's another character entirely, and brilliant in different ways).

I wonder if Orbot and Cubot will make an appearance in Forces?

[Roger_van_der_weide]

1 hour ago, Blue Blood said:

I'll agree with the self-awareness somewhat, but I absolutely loved SA-55 acting as his incredibly sassy foil in Unleashed.

I don't mind SA-55 too much, he was more subtle. He felt more like he was genuinely programmed to be Eggman's own conscious and trying to keep the Doctor focused, with Eggman's own impatience and childlike energy sabotaging his attempts.
Wish SA-55 didn't rant/ laugh at Eggman in the end tough, would have preferred him as just the silently suffering butler. Kinda like Lawrence from Ratchet and Clank, who's more subtle and dry about his insults. If we'd go more in that direction, I wouldn't mind the self aware humor too much, then at least it still feels in-character for Eggman.
But Orbot and Cubot are too useless and outright hostile to work on this level.


And I'm sure Orbot and Cubot will make some kind of a token appearence, even if it's just a cameo like in Generations.
I hope they become a boss battle this time, piloting a Mech or something.
Been hoping for that since Eggman yelled "If you can do it better, YOU FIGHT HIM!" at Cubot.

[Jango]

I want him to eat the Zeti's black hearts. 

I want him to hold a gun against Amy's head.

[Mad0Mura]

On August 26, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Diogenes said:

The threat is that he's a short-tempered narcissistic dictator with a genius level IQ and an army of robots.

Yes, this absolutely. This is about the dullest that Eggman-controlled territory has ever looked. Even the robots are boring.

It was stated in a Forces interview by either Nakamura or Iizuka that the reason Eggman's robots look that way is because they're trying to make them look more "military-like." 

I'm hoping that Eggman is as evil as in the Archie comics, especially since this is the Eggman Empire decal in Forces (don't know if this was posted yet:)

 

[CrownSlayers Shadow]

He should keep that design from this point forward. That looks amazing!

[Roxas]

Basically everyone already spoke my thoughts on the matter already! xD I imagine Eggman as a decent ruler to those under his rule. But he'll utterly destroy any "rebel scum" that may try to usurp him! (Funnily enough, that's exactly how I wrote him to be in my Sonic Forces-inspired Roleplay I'm hoping to work on soon!)

Loyal citizens who keep their head downs, don't make a fuss, and pay their monthly/yearly tithe/offerings are fine and dandy. I'd even imagine Eggman having Mobian Infantry forces just to create some sort of "patriotism" for the Eggman Empire! Also, lots of casinos, amusement parks, top tier medical facilities, and awesome dental programs! Because happy citizens mean non-rebellious citizens! 

The Rebels however, are to be hunted down like dogs, or rats, or hedgehogs cause Eggman is the Alpha in this world and he won't have some "pesky hedgehog" ruin his lavish ego trip! D:<

So yeah, my thoughts. (I'm sure I can prattle on and on about Egghead's Empire and rule but I rather not sit here writing for two hours...)

 

[Plasme]

Ha! I don't know how you could even begin to play down Eggman at the end of Tails' story, where he tries to blow up all of Station Square and kill everyone with a missile. Blue Blood is completely wrong that they played down the threat by playing down Eggman's intention and making it cartoony. The fact it's a last minute ditch emphasises that Eggman has nothing to gain anymore, isn't messing around and just wants to get revenge on everyone no matter the consequences to himself. He's a broken man, who's failed, and knows the only thing he can do is kill everyone. And the dark way he delivers his murderous line before he goes off to get the missile, yeah, definitely Eggman at his darkest in the entire series. The music adds to it as well, the darkest piece of music in the entire game. The game actually goes out of its way to play up his intentions if anything.There's absolutely no comic spin on that scene whatsoever until the actual level starts and it all gets ruined with Eggman's dorky "Tails, what for me".

And he was really dark in Adventure 2. When he put Sonic into a capsule and tried to blow him up that wasn't funny or played for laughs. He genuinely thought he killed Sonic and even acknowledged his rival was a good match when he saw his 'destruction' out the window. And just so you know it isn't funny or cartoony, the game shows Amy crying and Tails facing the fact he has to live on his own now. That's not camp or cartoony, with Tails shouting "nooo". Tails actually acts like he's in shock and can't believe what he's just seen.

Eggman became far more corny and ruined post Adventure, but Eggman was a motherfucker in the Adventure games.

[StaticMania]

How evil?

He's already evil.

Just take himself a bit more serious.

Just because he took over doesn't mean he's won.

Sonic the hedgehog is still very much a omni-present threat.

[James Cloud]

Between Adventure and Unleashed (especially when Eggman literally tells Sonic to "hurry up and die already" during the Egg Dragoon boss fight) while still retaining a good bit of humor that makes Eggman "Eggman".

[LongcrierCat]

 If there's anything that I want it's that the reason he's making some more manufactured and homogenous robots is that it's a facade of sophistication. 

If there's one thing I liked about Sonic '06 it's that the robot crazed Doctor was almost disturbingly civil in the wake of performing political crimes of kidnapping government officials. In spite of his actions, he still had the energy to put on a face and be civil with Shadow in a very notable scene that actually stands out to me. Some of that same sophistication comes up in the Archie Comics' Dr. Robotnik and I would appreciate it that if he were a fascist overlord that he'd try to be sophisticated even when the civility would end the moment they left his Oval Office. I mean, don't get me wrong. Shiny, chrome plated robots with the frozen face of the Dr's smiling face ala Egg Pawns But Scary would be some pretty terrifying and colourful imagery for a Sonic game. 

But I mean. You could always make him into a Führer Trump analogy. Guy has a personality that stuck with some people whether it was his mannerisms or pure unbridled egotism.

... actually yeah. Make him Trump but smart and scarily competent.... So Archie Robotnik. 

Not that I've been wanting this game to be an adaptation of Archie Sonic or anything.

[Meta77]

06 evil. Re watching some things.  didn't he threaten to pretty much kill everyone in Elise kingdom is she did not come. I liked that