Sonic Forces Twitter Infos Thread

[Dr. Mechano]

Just now, Joseph Henry said:

What does that has to do with anything?

Nothing. Just my own personal lamentations over this whole thing.

[Blue Blood]

Good bloody grief, this line of discussion is an even bigger turn off than Forces itself. FFS SEGA get your shit together - stop trying to explain things that don't even need explaining with dumb ass-pulls, and explain the things that do need explaining in the games and not on your Twitter handles. 

My stance? Sonic is Sonic. Modern Sonic and Classic Sonic as two different characters is stupid outside of the fourth-wall breaking anniversary shenanigans of Generations. 

[Razule]

32 minutes ago, Blue Blood said:

My stance? Sonic is Sonic. Modern Sonic and Classic Sonic as two different characters is stupid outside of the fourth-wall breaking anniversary shenanigans of Generations. 

And now I wish Generations actually was full-on "fourth-wall breaking anniversary shenanigans". Would've made for a more entertaining story and made it easier to call it non-canon. Instead, it just.. exists, and its premise makes even less sense.

What if both Generations AND Forces are non-canon..?

[___-_]

1 hour ago, Razule said:

Can't it just be a simple reference? The fact that he even has a whack-a-mole of himself is weird enough.

Just wanna come in and say it's definitely in character for Eggman to do that, though. In context of that game, I could see he didn't want to make it so he just wins at his own wack-a-mole game, which is why he put himself as a target not to hit. Other than that though, we all know he plasters himself where ever he can. The guy even coded himself within casino roulette slots where he's the losing outcome for some strange reason.

But yea, before Forces, I was always under the assumption that everyone was the same. I mean, despite how sloppy the inconsistencies were, almost every game before Forces either made throwaway, loose or direct references to each other going up, and there were no compelling reasons to think our Sonic was ever any different in a canon sense. Forces was the one to throw an unnecessary fork in the road while still expecting us to hold the same weight and importance for Modern Sonic. I was hoping they were just using the words "dimension" and "timeline" interchangeably in the strangest of ways before that Mighty tidbit came up. Now I don't know what the fuck to believe haha. Because seeing what they're doing right at this very moment just changing everything, are they really going to stick with this idea after this game's finished? Or are they just going to back peddle to whatever the plot demands for the next one?

[Dr. Mechano]

55 minutes ago, StriCNYN3 said:

The guy even coded himself within casino roulette slots where he's the losing outcome for some strange reason.

Well, the reason is obvious. If you lose, Eggman wins. If Eggman owns the casino, then he gets all your rings when you lose a gamble with him. I couldn't think of a more appropriate result to show Eggman's smug grinning face.

[Jango]

8 hours ago, Crazy_Diamond said:

The Time Eater was created sometime after Colors. Eggman then travels back in time and uses it to kidnap Classic Sonic. However, this does not erase the present, it simply creates a new universe. So the Classic Sonic we see in Generations is part of this new universe, while Modern Sonic is part of the old universe that we've been seeing every game. That is why Modern Sonic doesn't remember any events from Classic Sonic's perspective. The ending of Generations shows Classic Sonic going back to his new universe. So Sonic Lost World takes place in the old universe, while Sonic Mania takes place in the new universe.

All I can say is thank-fucking-you, Time Eater, for creating the best universe.

[Dr. Detective]

My headcanon was always that the events that happened before the first Adventure probably happened the same way as it did in the Classics but with younger versions of their modern designs and not much else. 

That's why I don't mind the idea of them being from different dimensions. With everything before Adventure being a bit cloudy, it's easier just to take what made sense and leave what doesn't. It's a lot harder to do that when Classic Sonic's stated to be from the past for me.

Plus, I like the idea of Green-Eyed Baby Sonic.

This isn't to excuse the very slapshot and ridiculous way the information is being dulled out to us. Had this decision been made before Generations and explained in full I feel like we'd be in such a better position today.

 

[Your Vest Friend]

If I had to guess, I'm thinking that the English script writers weren't exactly thinking on the same page as SoJ were, which caused the crack between what it says and what's being presented here (bear in mind that the Japanese dub of Generations is based on the English script).

I mean, SoJ have always said that classic Sonic is only a different version of Sonic and not his past self (because it's a floating timeline), even right after Generations was released. I guess it does highlight the communication problem between the two sides, but eh.

[Razule]

28 minutes ago, VEDJ-F said:

If I had to guess, I'm thinking that the English script writers weren't exactly thinking on the same page as SoJ were, which caused the crack between what it says and what's being presented here (bear in mind that the Japanese dub of Generations is based on the English script).

I mean, SoJ have always said that classic Sonic is only a different version of Sonic and not his past self (because it's a floating timeline), even right after Generations was released. I guess it does highlight the communication problem between the two sides, but eh.

Wouldn't SoJ have removed errors like that?

[Your Vest Friend]

Not if they're allowing the English writers to have writing freedom. Might be part of why they've brought the writing back to Japan now though. 

[Multikaris]

10 hours ago, Crazy_Diamond said:

People are making this unnecessarily  complicated. I also don't get the people that are shitting on Sega. Don't you realize that this actually fixes a plot hole instead of creating one? Think about it. In Generations, if Classic Sonic is Sonic's past self, then why does Modern Sonic have none of his memories? Modern Sonic should already know that the Time Eater is controlled by Eggman, because his "past self" already experienced it. So why doesn't he? Well, it seems that Sega is using the Many-worlds interpretation to answer that question. To use an example that people know about, let's take Zelda.

 

At the end of OoT, Zelda sends Link back to the past. However, sending Link back into the past does not erase the present. It simply creates a new universe, while the old one also still exists. This is what is responsible for the split in the Zelda timeline. A similar thing is happening here. The Time Eater was created sometime after Colors. Eggman then travels back in time and uses it to kidnap Classic Sonic. However, this does not erase the present, it simply creates a new universe. So the Classic Sonic we see in Generations is part of this new universe, while Modern Sonic is part of the old universe that we've been seeing every game. That is why Modern Sonic doesn't remember any events from Classic Sonic's perspective. The ending of Generations shows Classic Sonic going back to his new universe. So Sonic Lost World takes place in the old universe, while Sonic Mania takes place in the new universe. In the ending of Mania, Classic Sonic is teleported into the old universe by the Phantom Ruby, and that is when Sonic Forces starts. It's actually pretty clever when you think about it, and it paves the way for even more Classic styled games in the future.

Forces is actually a third universe created by the collusion between the Archie and Boom universes, combined by the Super Genesis Wave.

[Waveshocker Sigma]

10 hours ago, Crazy_Diamond said:

The Time Eater was created sometime after Colors. Eggman then travels back in time and uses it to kidnap Classic Sonic. However, this does not erase the present, it simply creates a new universe. So the Classic Sonic we see in Generations is part of this new universe, while Modern Sonic is part of the old universe that we've been seeing every game. That is why Modern Sonic doesn't remember any events from Classic Sonic's perspective. The ending of Generations shows Classic Sonic going back to his new universe. So Sonic Lost World takes place in the old universe, while Sonic Mania takes place in the new universe. In the ending of Mania, Classic Sonic is teleported into the old universe by the Phantom Ruby, and that is when Sonic Forces starts. It's actually pretty clever when you think about it, and it paves the way for even more Classic styled games in the future.

I can't think of anything better and that actually makes some amount of sense despite also kind of not due to it being compared to the Zelda timeline that everyone hates, but yeah.

Headcanon accepted. It's the only logical non-logical explanation.

[Razule]

11 hours ago, Crazy_Diamond said:

People are making this unnecessarily  complicated. I also don't get the people that are shitting on Sega. Don't you realize that this actually fixes a plot hole instead of creating one? Think about it. In Generations, if Classic Sonic is Sonic's past self, then why does Modern Sonic have none of his memories? Modern Sonic should already know that the Time Eater is controlled by Eggman, because his "past self" already experienced it. So why doesn't he? Well, it seems that Sega is using the Many-worlds interpretation to answer that question. To use an example that people know about, let's take Zelda.

 It's actually pretty clever when you think about it, and it paves the way for even more Classic styled games in the future.

It's not that what you're saying doesn't make sense, it does, but:

1. It's really doubtful that's what they had in mind considering Iizuka's other statements, such as Mighty's existence. And.. the Super Emeralds in Mania. 

2. Unless it is said in the game or by someone, not gonna consider it so, or give Sega credit for fans attempting to make sense of their mess.

3. If it is just an alternate timeline, why not just say alternate timeline.. surely, there's a Japanese word for it..

[Red Hot Jack]

Thank Chaos the spin dash has been nerfed, I couldn't stand the "spin boost" from Generations:

 

[JosepHenry]

 

Google Translate

This time, the main menu is different from the series so far. Do you feel the weight? And, in this main menu ,,, Oops, it seems that someone came

 

Oh man, I love you Google Translate

 

[MegasonicZX]

3 hours ago, Jack the Rookie said:

Thank Chaos the spin dash has been nerfed, I couldn't stand the "spin boost" from Generations:

 

I'm gonna miss the OP spin dash to be honest, its probably the only reason I really liked classic as much as I did in that game (though I won't deny it did break levels) so its a bit of a bummer to see it gone. Also, that line of enemies is really off for some reason, it'd make sense if this line was in one of the avatar or modern stages but for classic sonic it really doesn't make much sense when his gameplay is supposed to be a bit slower paced and it just feels like lazy enemy placement on the designer's part.

[MudHunter]

1 hour ago, Joseph Henry said:

 

Google Translate

This time, the main menu is different from the series so far. Do you feel the weight? And, in this main menu ,,, Oops, it seems that someone came

 

Oh man, I love you Google Translate

 

I got this 

This time, the main menu is different from the current series, so it seems like an atmosphere that you can feel the weight, and , Someone came to this main menu # SONICFORCES # Sonic Faces

[JosepHenry]

4 minutes ago, MudHunter said:

I got this 

This time, the main menu is different from the current series, so it seems like an atmosphere that you can feel the weight, and , Someone came to this main menu # SONICFORCES # Sonic Faces

He means this, yeah, is pretty different type of music for Sonic, steampunk and epic I really like it, but goddammit I can't stop laughing at the end of the tweet

What does he mean by that though?

[Razule]

10 minutes ago, Joseph Henry said:

He means this, yeah, is pretty different type of music for Sonic, steampunk and epic I really like it, but goddammit I can't stop laughing at the end of the tweet

What does he mean by that though?

"All around me are familiar faces.."

[Lord-Dreamerz]

4 hours ago, Jack the Rookie said:

Thank Chaos the spin dash has been nerfed, I couldn't stand the "spin boost" from Generations

I hope the over powered spin dash is a unlockable upgrade myself. xD

I enjoyed it on Generations. I never had a problem with it.

[Gabz Girl]

I really like the World Map music, but not sure if it’s so good that I came. XP

[DiamondX]

I think the idea was that he wanted to reveal something but someone entered the office.

[Waveshocker Sigma]

26 minutes ago, Limit Breaker Diamond said:

I think the idea was that he wanted to reveal something but someone entered the office.

This is exactly what it is. It tends to be how the joke reads in Japanese typically.

That doesn't make the Google Translate versions any less funny, though. ¦D

[Detective Kaito]

Hmm...

[Lord-Dreamerz]

21 minutes ago, Detective Kaito said:

Hmm...

So something to do with Egg pawns?

On another note It would be cool if this game had a hard mode and unlocked from near the start... Generations & Lost World were to easy for me.