Forces story revealed?

[Dee Dude]

Is anyone gonna mention the part about the Resistance having mutiple bases in several areas?

Normally, this would mean nothing as they could be bases for the generic soldiers and Knuckles & co have the main the Avatar enters in...

I knew this game would give people Satam vibes but now I'm getting Archie Freedom Fighter vibes all over.

[A super No.1 washedupgamer]

16 minutes ago, Diogenes said:

I dunno, if Eggman can get Sonic locked in a room, why can't he flood it with poison gas or make the walls close in or something and just kill him off right then and there? And it'd be weird for Eggman to get the drop on Sonic naturally and basically take over the world, and only later pour all his hatred into making an edgy furry to fight him. Like, narratively, Eggman showing up with Infinite in tow should come at the start of the game as his big return since the last game and not after he's already had a pretty decisive win.

So I'm thinking Modern City Stage is the very start of Eggman's attack. He hits hard and wrecks a bunch of shit before Sonic shows up, but Sonic pushes back, maybe fights Metal or Shadow, then Infinite shows up and kicks his ass (we've seen parts of this scene) and warps him off through space or time or both. Then Classic Sonic shows up because ???, meets up with Tails, and they go off searching for Sonic, leaving the rest of the characters to eventually form the resistance.

...it still feels like it doesn't entirely fit, though. There's plenty of NPC chatter in Modern City Stage which makes it seem like the resistance already exists. And then I don't know where the Avatar character fits into this, his City Stage feels like it's at about the same time as Sonic's (similar level of destruction, at least).

So, who fuckin' knows, I guess.

Yeah, since he took over the world, why not just go ahead and kill sonic off? 

 

 

He probably knows that he can beat the resistance, so it wouldn't be as much a challenge.

This is the same guy that rescued sonic from a pit of scalding lava.

Heck, he did it twice if you count lost world.

He's a complicated guy.

Edited October 5, 2017 by A Zombie KING heavy engine

[Sega DogTagz]

10 minutes ago, Diogenes said:

Well yeah, but that was when Sonic could be fun and silly, and not when it had to be "serious".

Even if Forces is being played as more serious, it would be completely in character for Eggman to also harbor a desire to keep Sonic around for a least a little bit longer, so that he can gloat about his latest and greatest.

If he did manage to capture Sonic - or temperately remove him from the equation - he sure as heck wouldn't kill him off without taking a little time to rub his nose in it. Even in SA2 when he was quick to pull that trigger, he didn't do so until Sonic understood the situation he was in. That he had been beaten.

[Crazy_Diamond]

10 minutes ago, Jango said:

It's true. The avatar is the first character you'll play as, according to my source, although I'm pretty sure this was already confirmed long ago. Secondly is Classic Sonic in Green Hill. The resistance has "spot" Sonic running there, and Tails decides to go check it out, this is when both meet. Eggman goes there too. They fight, Eggman threatens them, nabs the Phantom Ruby, goes back to lab, and "creates" Infinite.

Modern Sonic is rescued early on, not mid game.

That's an interesting story. However, it makes no sense. Look at this dialogue from the Green Hill boss fight.

The resistance already exists. Which means that Eggman has already conquered 99% of the world. We have been told in interviews and in press releases that the reason Eggman conquers 99% of the world is due to a mysterious power, which is likely to be the Phantom Ruby. If Eggman nabs the Phantom Ruby this fight, then resistance wouldn't exist yet. It's a huge contradiction. 

[Blue Wisp]

1 minute ago, A Zombie KING heavy engine said:

This is the same guy that rescued sonic from a pit of scalding lava.

This I can excuse. The Deadly Six weren't dealt with when that happened. Eggman needed Sonic to take care of them, what better way to motivate him than to "avenge" Eggman? Eggman couldn't have defeated them alone. 

[Diogenes]

If this game's story actually hinges on "Eggman is dumb and commits the most cliche villain mistake ever" then I'm going to find a way to hate it twice as much.

[Blue Wisp]

2 minutes ago, Diogenes said:

If this game's story actually hinges on "Eggman is dumb and commits the most cliche villain mistake ever" then I'm going to find a way to hate it twice as much.

I mean we all know that the game will end with Sonic winning and Eggman getting defeated with "NOW WE CAN REBUILD THE WORLD AGAIN" and cut to black, roll credits.

Maybe that whole "IN THREEEEEEEEE DAYSSSSSSSSSS YOU'LL BE ALL GONE MWAHAHAH" stick ripped straight from Sonic Heroes, Eggman intends to kill Sonic alongside every Resistance member at the same time because I don't know reasons. 

[Jango]

8 minutes ago, Crazy_Diamond said:

That's an interesting story. However, it makes no sense. Look at this dialogue from the Green Hill boss fight.

The resistance already exists. Which means that Eggman has already conquered 99% of the world. We have been told in interviews and in press releases that the reason Eggman conquers 99% of the world is due to a mysterious power, which is likely to be the Phantom Ruby. If Eggman nabs the Phantom Ruby this fight, then resistance wouldn't exist yet. It's a huge contradiction. 

That's what he told me, I'm in the same boat of doubt as you. But yes, the resistance exists before Tails meet with Classic Sonic in Green Hill and this fight, this is clear. Eggman conquers the world without the Phantom Ruby. Infinite's sole purpose is to erase the resistance. Why the hell would Eggman fight Classic Sonic there if he had Infinite prior to that? Infinite comes after this, boys.

[A super No.1 washedupgamer]

Just now, Wisphead said:

I mean we all know that the game will end with Sonic winning and Eggman getting defeated with "NOW WE CAN REBUILD THE WORLD AGAIN" and cut to black, roll credits.

Maybe that whole "IN THREEEEEEEEE DAYSSSSSSSSSS YOU'LL BE ALL GONE MWAHAHAH" stick ripped straight from Sonic Heroes, Eggman intends to kill Sonic alongside every Resistance member at the same time because I don't know reasons. 

"Its no use, but why can't I defeat you?"

"Because, we're SONIC RESISTANCE!"

Infinite: T____T

[The Deleter]

2 hours ago, Joseph Henry said:

Or, maybe the game is way bigger than think, the levels we have seen are the beginning stages and there is at least ten more stages to go after Green Hill and Park Avenue. Even with major plot elements being already solved.

Just speculating. But is hard to know for certain, I extremely curious how the games first hour is going to be. (Hopefully not too long until first look gameplay previews start to pop up.)

I don't think that it's an indication of the size, just that it's relatively jumbled as a game, rather than a strict "Zone 1, zone 2, zone 3" progression, or whether different characters get equal treatment in terms of pacing. I wouldn't rule it out that there are more that 40 stages at this point, though...

2 hours ago, A Zombie KING heavy engine said:

Where do you think the metal sonic fight takes place in park avenue? Is it after sonic gets beaten up by infinite or before It?

I think it goes this way:

Avt prk ave.

Modern green hill

Tag team green hill

Avt green hill

Modern park ave

Boss battle 

Something happens to sonic

Classic park ave

Casino forest.

Or all the park ave. Stages and then green hill stages. Idk

Well, the metal Sonic fight does take place with the avatar as a tag team stage:

Also, the leak, the article, and the tweet that says Sonic disappears due to Eggman's "new power" all imply that Eggman took over the world after Sonic disappears.

Not to mention:

The game apparently starts out with the Avatar finding the resistance and joining them. The resistance doesn't exist until Eggman has already taken over the world, and Iizuka has said the Avatar gets involved in the first place due to fighting for his home once Eggman attacks it.

And the modern Sonic level ends with him finding Shadow, which presumably leads to the villain reveal trailer/infinite encounter cutscene. Eggman only forms the Uprising to fight against the resistance, which only formed after he took over the world, and Tails is present in the cutscene, when he should be searching for Modern Sonic in most of Classic Sonic's levels.

Everything considered, Eggman taking over the world and Sonic disappearing should happen before the game starts, and the Avatar's first stage begins.

1 hour ago, Jango said:

I'm gonna spill what I got from a friend earlier today:
 

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This scene above is from the very first CGI cutscene. Eggman caught Modern Sonic off-guard and locked him inside a mechanical prison base.

World goes to shit (in weeks) because Sonic is the protagonist and nobody else can do anything (they try to fight back tho', but in vain). Meanwhile, Eggman got his hands in the Phantom Ruby by coincidence (this happens after the Green Hill boss battle). Yes, Classic Sonic brought the Ruby from the Mania dimension. With its power, Eggman "creates" Infinite (apparently, Infinite was inside the Ruby this whole time, he is basically the Ruby), to finally and literally ERASE the pesk resistance, since Modern Sonic has escaped (you, the avatar, rescues him early on from the mechanical prison base, which ends with the scene from the trailer when Sonic protects him back). From there on, Sonic and you meet with the group in the city after another level. There's a general commotion when Modern Sonic returns, they explain the situation, but Modern Sonic decides to just blast ahead (as usual), and gets his ass kicked. This is when everybody, including both Sonics realize they got approach this situation more carefully than ever, and rescue the world piece by piece, kinda like Unleashed.

 

That's all he told me. Oh, and yes, Sky Sanctuary is back, but it's VERY different from Generations. The other levels are all new.

 

 

That flies directly in the face with the info we got a while back in an interview that Sonic disappears because of a power Eggman aquired, tho :V

Gonna have to dig for a bit to find where exactly that was stated, though...

Edit: Found it below, thanks to Crazy_Diamond

https://twitter.com/SONIC_FORCES_JP/status/912965731318452224

Turns out it wasn't an interview in the first place. Would have been searching for this for a looooong while at that rate, lmao

[Blue Wisp]

Just now, A Zombie KING heavy engine said:

"Its no use, but why can't I defeat you?"

"Because, we're SONIC RESISTANCE!"

Infinite: T____T

"Because we're the SONIC FORCES!" *

Roll credits with Fist Bump and I'M THE TALLEST OF MOUNTAINS.

Cue aftercredits with Eggman and Orbot and Cubot stuck in I don't know Infinity Space. 

[Crazy_Diamond]

1 minute ago, Jango said:

That's what he told me, I'm in the same boat of doubt as you. But yes, the resistance exists before Tails meet with Classic Sonic in Green Hill and this fight, this is clear. Eggman conquers the world without the Phantom Ruby. Infinite's sole purpose is to erase the resistance.

Look at this tweet. It says that Sonic has fallen due to Eggman's mysterious power. Sonic was defeated by Infinite/Phantom Ruby, not Eggman by himself. This is known information. Your friend is lying to you or something.

[Jango]

14 minutes ago, Crazy_Diamond said:

Look at this tweet. It says that Sonic has fallen due to Eggman's mysterious power. Sonic was defeated by Infinite/Phantom Ruby, not Eggman by himself. This is known information. Your friend is lying to you or something.

Again, no he wasn't it. When Modern Sonic meets with Infinite for the first time, he doesn't even know his name. You're telling me Infinite took Sonic down, Eggman conquered the world, Sonic returns, meets with Infinite and doesn't even recognizes him? lol nope.

The order is the following, I don't have more information:

Eggman captures Sonic > the world becomes his to conquer > Sonic's friends run and hide, they form the resistance, but it's already too late (Eggman has conquered the world in weeks) > avatar guy joins them > Classic Sonic is seem in GHZ > Eggman gets the Phantom Ruby from him, creates/finish Infinite > Eggman sends Infinite to erase the resistance and have that last 1% > Modern Sonic is rescued by the avatar in the meantime > Modern Sonic joins the resistance at last.

[Indigo Rush]

On one hand, that's definitely an official source.

On the other hand, the source also said this wasn't a sequel, but a brand new experience.

Hum hum.

[The Deleter]

3 minutes ago, Crazy_Diamond said:

Look at this tweet. It says that Sonic has fallen due to Eggman's mysterious power. Sonic was defeated by Infinite/Phantom Ruby, not Eggman by himself. This is known information. Your friend is lying to you or something.

Thanks for that; I would have never found it at the rate I was looking for it, lmao

But yeah, Eggman should have the Phantom Ruby before the game even starts, Sonic should be missing for a spell, and Infinite shouldn't exist just yet

I mean it's fairly obvious how he did it, imo...

The way the Avatar has the tag team stages with Sonic, and the way his Green Hill level happens after the Tag Team green hill level, though...

I don't think we can pin down any of the levels specifically outside the first Avatar level for when he joins the resistance, and the Classic levels before Tails meets up with Modern Sonic

[Crazy_Diamond]

4 minutes ago, Jango said:

Again, no he wasn't it. When Modern Sonic meets with Infinite for the first time, he doesn't even know his name. You're telling me Infinite took Sonic down, Eggman conquered the world, Sonic returns, meets with Infinite and doesn't even recognizes him? lol nope.

The order is the following, I don't have more information:

Eggman captures Sonic > the world becomes his to conquer > Sonic's friends run and hide, they form the resistance, but it's already too late (Eggman has conquered the world in weeks) > avatar guy joins them > Classic Sonic is seem in GHZ > Eggman gets the Phantom Ruby from him, creates/finish Infinite > Eggman sends Infinite to erase the resistance and have that last 1% > Modern Sonic is rescued by the avatar in the meantime > Modern Sonic joins the resistance at last.

You've misinterpreted the Infinite trailer. When Sonic meets Infinite in Sunset Heights, it is clear they are meeting for the first time. Tails says "Whoa, this guy is faster than Sonic!" and Sonic says "Tails, I need to know what's going on with this guy". So that is clearly where they meet for the first time. Why else would they refer to Infinite as "this guy" and try to figure out what he is? Tails says he's trying to figure out what Infinite's deal is, but the readings he is getting don't make any sense. Then, when they meet again in Casino Forest, Sonic says "I don't know anything about you, not even your name". That's because Tails' readings were borked and Sonic was defeated before learning Infinite's name. He did recognize Infinite, but at that point had no knowledge of what he was or even his name. That's the truth.

[JosepHenry]

13 minutes ago, Jango said:

Again, no he wasn't it. When Modern Sonic meets with Infinite for the first time, he doesn't even know his name. You're telling me Infinite took Sonic down, Eggman conquered the world, Sonic returns, meets with Infinite and doesn't even recognizes him? lol nope.

The order is the following, I don't have more information:

Eggman captures Sonic > the world becomes his to conquer > Sonic's friends run and hide, they form the resistance, but it's already too late (Eggman has conquered the world in weeks) > avatar guy joins them > Classic Sonic is seem in GHZ > Eggman gets the Phantom Ruby from him, creates/finish Infinite > Eggman sends Infinite to erase the resistance and have that last 1% > Modern Sonic is rescued by the avatar in the meantime > Modern Sonic joins the resistance at last.

So... Is Infinite the Ruby?

How does that work? 

Eggman created Infinite (the body) or the Ruby is an entity (Named Infinite) possessing a random guy?

[The Deleter]

1 minute ago, Joseph Henry said:

So... Is Infinite the Ruby?

How does that work? 

Eggman created Infinite (the body) or the Ruby is an entity possessing a random guy?

I've been saying this theory for ages, lol. The Ruby was almost sentient in Mania, distorting reality on its own at every turn. It's not that farfetched for Infinite to be the Ruby itself. It might be Eggman just crafting an "illusion" around it, though, as well as his backstory, for whatever reason...

[Jango]

12 minutes ago, Crazy_Diamond said:

You've misinterpreted the Infinite trailer. When Sonic meets Infinite in Sunset Heights, it is clear they are meeting for the first time. Tails says "Whoa, this guy is faster than Sonic!" and Sonic says "Tails, I need to know what's going on with this guy". So that is clearly where they meet for the first time. Why else would they refer to Infinite as "this guy" and try to figure out what he is? Tails says he's trying to figure out what Infinite's deal is, but the readings he is getting don't make any sense. Then, when they meet again in Casino Forest, Sonic says "I don't know anything about you, not even your name". That's because Tails' readings were borked and Sonic was defeated before learning Infinite's name. He did recognize Infinite, but at that point had no knowledge of what he was or even his name. That's the truth.

Yes! When they meet in Sunset Heights it is their first encounter, but the world was already conquered by now, see? The world wasn't conquered after that event, that cutscene isn't when Sonic "goes missing because of a misterious force" either. He's just beaten there for the sake of "Sonic must learn".

[JosepHenry]

2 minutes ago, Jango said:

Yes! When they meet in Sunset Heights it is their first encounter, but the world was already conquered by now, see? The world wasn't conquered after that event, that cutscene isn't when Sonic "goes missing because of a misterious force" either. He's just beaten there for the sake of "Sonic must learn".

But what about Tails and Classic Sonic? Aren't they supposed to be partners at this point?

[Jango]

1 minute ago, Joseph Henry said:

But what about Tails and Classic Sonic? Aren't they supposed to be partners at this point?

Classic Sonic is there. Modern Sonic is the last to join the resistance.

[The Deleter]

Yeah Infinite should be introduced after the game starts up; there's nothing indicating that Sonic and him have ever met before, and Eggman can use the Ruby without Infinite's help

@Jango Are you still standing by the idea that Eggman captured Sonic with that supposed spacestation, rather than how all the leaks, articles, and tweets say he just disappeared, due to said mysterious force, though?

[JosepHenry]

Just now, Jango said:

Classic Sonic is there. Modern Sonic is the last to join the resistance.

But in the last event it was revealed that Classic Sonic and Tails won't meet the Resistance for majority of the game.

[Crazy_Diamond]

14 minutes ago, Jango said:

Yes! When they meet in Sunset Heights it is their first encounter, but the world was already conquered by now, see? The world wasn't conquered after that event, that scene isn't when Sonic "goes missing because of a misterious force" either. He's just beaten there for the sake of "Sonic must learn".

No, the world is in the process of being conquered when Sonic meets Infinite. It is not fully conquered yet. If you look at the Famitsu article, it says that Sonic's friends escape Eggman's invasion and form the resistance. So there is an invasion, and during that invasion Sonic meets Infinite for the first time. He is defeated and "disappears", and then Sonic's friends escape and form the resistance. This is how I see the events going down. It makes no sense the way you are describing it.

[Jango]

3 minutes ago, The Deleter said:

 

@Jango Are you still standing by the idea that Eggman captured Sonic with that supposed spacestation, rather than how all the leaks, articles, and tweets say he just disappeared, due to said mysterious force, though?

Yes. Eggman had some prototypes prior Infinite. Infinite only came to be after Eggman got his hands in the Phantom Ruby.

1 minute ago, Crazy_Diamond said:

No, the world is in the process of being conquered when Sonic meets Infinite. It is not fully conquered yet. If you look at the Famitsu article, it says that Sonic's friends escape Eggman's invasion and form the resistance. So there is an invasion, and during that invasion Sonic meets Infinite for the first time. He is defeated and "disappears", and then Sonic's friends escape and form the resistance. It makes no sense the way you are describing it.

If they form the resistance after Sonic is defeated in Sunset Heights cutscene, how do you explain all the resistance's members talking to him during the Sunset Heights level, dude?

It's not that hard...