Forces story revealed?

[The Deleter]

6 minutes ago, Joseph Henry said:

But in the last event it was revealed that Classic Sonic and Tails won't meet the Resistance for majority of the game.

The Larry leak does say that he eventually joins once Sonic returns, though

The Last event had Iizuka saying that Tails would have his own story throughout the game, not that he would always be searching for Sonic and that alone...

1 minute ago, Crazy_Diamond said:

No, the world is in the process of being conquered when Sonic meets Infinite. It is not fully conquered yet. If you look at the Famitsu article, it says that Sonic's friends escape Eggman's invasion and form the resistance. So there is an invasion, and during that invasion Sonic meets Infinite for the first time. He is defeated and "disappears", and then Sonic's friends escape and form the resistance. It makes no sense the way you are describing it.

But that cutscene showcases the Uprising, composed of Shadow, zavok, chaos, and metal sonic. And their bio from the start said that they were created to end the resistance. Meaning that cutscene should happen after Eggman has already taken over the world, and the resistance was formed as a result >:V

1 minute ago, Jango said:

Yes. Eggman had some prototypes prior Infinite. Infinite only came to be after Eggman got his hands in the Phantom Ruby.

I was going to ask whether you'd be willing to bet on it (>:D) but wth, why would he have Phantom Ruby prototypes before he even knew the Phantom Ruby existed in the first place?

I dunno if you should be laying any bets down any more m8, lmao

[Crazy_Diamond]

14 minutes ago, Jango said:

Yes. Eggman had some prototypes prior Infinite. Infinite only came to be after Eggman got his hands in the Phantom Ruby.

If they form the resistance after Sonic is defeated in Sunset Heights cutscene, how do you explain all the resistance's members talking to him during the Sunset Heights level, dude?

It's not that hard...

The reason I say the resistance is formed after Sonic is defeated is this quote from Famitsu 

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Sonic’s disappearance was shocking news to everyone. Sonic’s friends, who had escaped from Eggman’s invasion, have formed the resistance army. The resistance has bases in several areas. Your Avatar visits the Resistance’s Secret Base and it is then that the story begins…

It says that Sonic's disappearance shocked everyone, and then it says Sonic's friends have formed the resistance army after escaping from Eggman's invasion. Not Sonic and his friends, just Sonic's friends. It's pretty clear to me with that quote that Sonic was defeated by Infinite, during this invasion, then the resistance was formed.

[The Deleter]

3 minutes ago, Crazy_Diamond said:

The reason I say the resistance is formed after Sonic is defeated is this quote from Famitsu 

It says that Sonic's disappearance shocked everyone, and then it says Sonic's friends have formed the resistance army. Not Sonic and his friends, just Sonic's friends. It's pretty clear to me with that quote that Sonic was defeated by Infinite, then the resistance was formed.

Why infinite, though?

All it says is that he was defeated due to a mysterious power

The Phantom Ruby is a mysterious power

Eggman in Mania used the power of the Ruby to teleport Sonic to other zones entirely just by holding it in his two hands

Why would it have to be infinite that makes Sonic disappear? There's too many inconsistencies for that scene to make sense as the place Sonic was defeated, while still being the start of the game...

[Diogenes]

Ugh, the more I think about it, the more it makes sense...it's really fuckin' stupid, but it has the least holes...

[The Deleter]

1 minute ago, Diogenes said:

Ugh, the more I think about it, the more it makes sense...it's really fuckin' stupid, but it has the least holes...

What makes sense? There's several theories and leaks being thrown around here, lol...

[Jango]

hm.

[Diogenes]

6 minutes ago, The Deleter said:

What makes sense? There's several theories and leaks being thrown around here, lol...

What Jango's saying. If Eggman starts off by bopping Sonic with the phantom ruby (or a prototype of it or whatever because that's apparently a thing) then...I don't think there's any actual holes in the story he's presenting, compared to what we know. It's just really, really ugly writing.

[JosepHenry]

21 minutes ago, The Deleter said:

The Larry leak does say that he eventually joins once Sonic returns, though

The Last event had Iizuka saying that Tails would have his own story throughout the game, not that he would always be searching for Sonic and that alone...

But that cutscene showcases the Uprising, composed of Shadow, zavok, chaos, and metal sonic. And their bio from the start said that they were created to end the resistance. Meaning that cutscene should happen after Eggman has already taken over the world, and the resistance was formed as a result >:V

I was going to ask whether you'd be willing to bet on it (>:D) but wth, why would he have Phantom Ruby prototypes before he even knew the Phantom Ruby existed in the first place?

I dunno if you should be laying any bets down any more m8, lmao

What about Casino Forest though? Isn't Tails and Classic searching for Sonic?

[Whatever the WhoCares]

8 minutes ago, Diogenes said:

What Jango's saying. If Eggman starts off by bopping Sonic with the phantom ruby (or a prototype of it or whatever because that's apparently a thing) then...I don't think there's any actual holes in the story he's presenting, compared to what we know. It's just really, really ugly writing.

What's wrong with it?

[Crazy_Diamond]

1 minute ago, The Deleter said:

Why infinite, though?

All it says is that he was defeated due to a mysterious power

The Phantom Ruby is a mysterious power

Eggman in Mania used the power of the Ruby to telephony Sonic to other zones entirely just by holding it in his two hands

Why would it have to be infinite that makes Sonic disappear? There's too many inconsistencies for that scene to make sense as the place Sonic was defeated, while still being the start of the game...

I doubt that Eggman just used the Phantom Ruby on it's own. Look at the Story trailer, specifically what Eggman says at the beginning.

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Sonic, how I hate him. And all of that loathing has been focused into this invincible instrument of destruction!

And then right after that we are shown this. The scene of Sonic beating beaten by Infinite.

And right after that, we are shown this

It's spelled out as clear as day that Sonic disappears or falls right in that scene. I don't get how someone can get something else from that. 

[Blue Wisp]

4 minutes ago, Joseph Henry said:

What about Casino Forest though? Isn't Tails and Classic searching for Sonic?

Yeah they're looking for him. Which leads to the cutscene where Sonic says "I don't even know you" per the stone thingamajig behind him in the cutscene. 

 

[The Deleter]

25 minutes ago, Jango said:

hm.

Preeeeety sure those are created after he gets his hands on the Ruby itself. Why would he call them a Phantom Ruby prototype... When he doesn't even have the original, doesn't know what it's called or what it does, doesn't have a source to replicate the same powers, all when assuming he doesn't have the real Ruby yet? That's dumb.

Are you forgetting all the other tubes Eggman has full of illusions? Or how Metal Sonic somehow has Infinite's powers as well? That's more likely the case these things will be used for rather than as... A version of the Ruby before he gets the real Ruby. If they're even official in the main game, that is.

24 minutes ago, Diogenes said:

What Jango's saying. If Eggman starts off by bopping Sonic with the phantom ruby (or a prototype of it or whatever because that's apparently a thing) then...I don't think there's any actual holes in the story he's presenting, compared to what we know. It's just really, really ugly writing.

But dude Jango's theory is the one that has evolved the most, lmao; he's even saying that Eggman gets the Ruby after the classic level still, not when he makes Sonic disappear. He's sticking by those holes still : P

19 minutes ago, Joseph Henry said:

What about Casino Forest though? Isn't Tails and Classic searching for Sonic?

Yep. Which means it should happen before Tails finds Modern Sonic in the Infinite reveal cutscene. Again, the stage order is already whacked out with how Modern would have to inherently come after the Avatar Park avenue and several classic zones in the first place, so there's no reason to assume the forest zone would go in order, and that the Classic level leads into the Modern level when they're still searching for Modern

14 minutes ago, Crazy_Diamond said:

I doubt that Eggman just used the Phantom Ruby on it's own. Look at the Story trailer, specifically what Eggman says at the beginning.

And then right after that we are shown this. The scene of Sonic beating beaten by Infinite.

And right after that, we are shown this

It's spelled out as clear as day that Sonic disappears or falls right in that scene. I don't get how someone can get something else from that. 

Not sure how this means that scene is where Sonic disappears? It's a trailer, trailers are several dozen unrelated scenes in a sideshow format to showcase the story in a flashy way. How does it change the inconsistencies of the Uprising existing, therefore the Resistance already existing, and therefore Eggman already having taken over the world? It just shows that Eggman created Infinite to defeat Sonic, and cuts to an example of Infinite defeating Sonic. That's not a disappearance...

Eggman using the phantom ruby powers to make Sonic disappear and allow him to take over the world overnight fit the premise like a glove without any inconsistencies with all known information. Why is it unlikely?

[Diogenes]

3 minutes ago, Whatever the WhoCares said:

What's wrong with it?

It's like, they've been hyping up Infinite as some big shit, the strongest thing ever, Eggman's most powerful creation to destroy Sonic, but by this, he's basically just there for cleanup. Eggman already took Sonic out of the picture once without him, and basically conquered the entire world, and King Shit Infinite is just a mook to finish off the last 1%. And instead of their being a clear focus on what Sonic has to overcome, he's got to get his ass kicked twice, once by Eggman so the plot can happen and again by Infinite to hype up the new bad guy.

[Whatever the WhoCares]

2 minutes ago, Diogenes said:

It's like, they've been hyping up Infinite as some big shit, the strongest thing ever, Eggman's most powerful creation to destroy Sonic, but by this, he's basically just there for cleanup. Eggman already took Sonic out of the picture once without him, and basically conquered the entire world, and King Shit Infinite is just a mook to finish off the last 1%. And instead of their being a clear focus on what Sonic has to overcome, he's got to get his ass kicked twice, once by Eggman so the plot can happen and again by Infinite to hype up the new bad guy.

Well I mean Eggman knows he didn't kill Sonic. He knows he needs a set of allies to finish the job. Hence the line about his loathing for Sonic being put into the creation of Infinite. Infinite isn't just there to finish off the resistance. He's there to kill Sonic. 

Another hint is when Infinite's beating up Sonic, and Eggman says "Nice!" As if to say, "Hey it's working!"

[The Deleter]

6 minutes ago, Diogenes said:

It's like, they've been hyping up Infinite as some big shit, the strongest thing ever, Eggman's most powerful creation to destroy Sonic, but by this, he's basically just there for cleanup. Eggman already took Sonic out of the picture once without him, and basically conquered the entire world, and King Shit Infinite is just a mook to finish off the last 1%. And instead of their being a clear focus on what Sonic has to overcome, he's got to get his ass kicked twice, once by Eggman so the plot can happen and again by Infinite to hype up the new bad guy.

Not really sure what you were expecting; what other scenario is there when he isn't a Mook of some sort brought up to kill Sonic?

Also if he isn't an illusion created by Eggman and all his backstory ends up being real, expect some independent MotW shenanigans for sure, lmao. Maybe with some added lore from where he comes from. I hope that's the case, at least :V

[A super No.1 washedupgamer]

7 minutes ago, Whatever the WhoCares said:

Well I mean Eggman knows he didn't kill Sonic. He knows he needs a set of allies to finish the job. Hence the line about his loathing for Sonic being put into the creation of Infinite. Infinite isn't just there to finish off the resistance. He's there to kill Sonic. 

Another hint is when Infinite's beating up Sonic, and Eggman says "Nice!" As if to say, "Hey it's working!"

Also, I'd imagine eggman set that moment up so sonic can be humiliated in front of his allies and enemies and use his most powerful creation to do it. You know he loves to gloat so hard that he pulls a muscle.

[Diogenes]

3 minutes ago, Whatever the WhoCares said:

Well I mean Eggman knows he didn't kill Sonic. He knows he needs a set of allies to finish the job. Hence the line about his loathing for Sonic being put into the creation of Infinite. Infinite isn't just there to finish off the resistance. He's there to kill Sonic. 

Another hint is when Infinite's beating up Sonic, and Eggman says "Nice!" As if to say, "Hey it's working!"

Yeah, but that's so sloppy. That should be the start of things going to shit; Eggman reveals his new pet, who kicks Sonic's ass and banishes him to the shadow realm, everyone's depressed so their resistance is kinda shit and Eggman takes over. If this storyline is right, then Eggman's world takeover and his new ultimate weapon are practically unconnected.

[The Deleter]

Didn't everyone take a huge issue with the idea of Eggman needing Infinite to take over the world, though?

In comparison Eggman has always used gems and artifacts to get his way. The chaos emeralds, the master emerald, the time stones, the Ruby in Mania... It honestly sounds much better than him relying on Infinite to get a job done that he should be doing himself...

[Jango]

BTW, Eggman has created Infinite to kill/stop Sonic once he's escaped the prison base, fearing that his comeback would bring back hope to the almost defeated resistance. 

Look, I got in touch with this friend that works for SEGA in some fashion in the ......... department. I'm also taking everything with a grain of salt, especially since it's Forces, and you know how it is. 

[Whatever the WhoCares]

4 minutes ago, Diogenes said:

Yeah, but that's so sloppy. That should be the start of things going to shit; Eggman reveals his new pet, who kicks Sonic's ass and banishes him to the shadow realm, everyone's depressed so their resistance is kinda shit and Eggman takes over. If this storyline is right, then Eggman's world takeover and his new ultimate weapon are practically unconnected.

I'm actually thrilled that Infinite isn't what caused Eggman to take over the world. Isnt this what we've been wanting?

[JosepHenry]

3 minutes ago, Jango said:

BTW, Eggman has created Infinite to kill/stop Sonic once he's escaped the prison base, fearing that his comeback would bring back hope to the almost defeated resistance. 

Look, I got in touch with this friend that works for SEGA in some fashion in the ......... department. I'm also taking everything with a grain of salt, especially since it's Forces, and know how it is. 

I dunno about you guys, but this sounds really good to me. (If is true)

[Diogenes]

2 minutes ago, The Deleter said:

Didn't everyone take a huge issue with the idea of Eggman needing Infinite to take over the world, though?

I take huge issue with Infinite in general, but since he's going to exist whether I want him to or not, I'd like if his role in the story was...I'll say "not entirely shit", since hoping for "good" is a mistake.

I would very much have preferred if Eggman just used the ruby to bolster his army with illusion-mechs and to reshape the world to his liking or something like that, but that's very clearly not the story we're getting.

[The Deleter]

2 minutes ago, Joseph Henry said:

I dunno about you guys, but this sounds really good to me. (If is true)

Well just let the record show that if he's not in a prison when this happens nothing about this "rumor" is true alright >:V

Don't need Jango's dirty mitts riding off and adapting to my theory I've had since we first got these details, and taking all the credit for it afterwards as if it was a real rumor >:T

@Jango

I'm watchin' u

[Jovahexeon Jax Joranvexeon]

41 minutes ago, The Deleter said:

Didn't everyone take a huge issue with the idea of Eggman needing Infinite to take over the world, though?

 

35 minutes ago, Diogenes said:

I take huge issue with Infinite in general, but since he's going to exist whether I want him to or not, I'd like if his role in the story was...I'll say "not entirely shit", since hoping for "good" is a mistake.

I would very much have preferred if Eggman just used the ruby to bolster his army with illusion-mechs and to reshape the world to his liking or something like that, but that's very clearly not the story we're getting.

This is where we come to the ever famous "You can't please everyone" phase. Oh well. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Diogenes]

e: on second thought I've put far more time into thinking about Forces tonight than it deserves so I'm just going to move on from this mess.